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Kuje
Great Reader
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 Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 04:03:19
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I might be blind....
But I was curious if Candlekeep had any chat software? There's times when there's at least 6 to 10+ of us on but none of us are saying anything..... So it would be a good time to have a real time chat....
But if there is a such a feature, then I'm being blind and missing it. :)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 04:08:09
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This has been brought up in the past. It's a good idea, and I do agree with you. I wouldn't mind chatting with other scribes visiting Candlekeep when forum discussions slow down just a tad.
But as I recall, Alaundo said that he and the other staff here at Candlekeep would "look into it".
So Big Al, how about an update? 
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4692 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 04:38:18
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Well chat often uses Java these days so should not be hard to add on and should be useable by many (I for security reasons have that disabled for online use). There though might be a concern about moderation of any chat scheme as at times users can disagree, sometimes very heatedly.
It is posible and perhaps perferable to open a genral chat foroum. Perhaps one pruged fairly quickly as oposed to retained as lore. The two most common schemes I have seen are aged out by time and/or amount of data posted or a deletion once a day/week of all posts.
Of couse this will be up to Alaundo and the other staff as to if any type of chat system will be added. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 08:49:17
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Originally posted by The Sage
This has been brought up in the past. It's a good idea, and I do agree with you. I wouldn't mind chatting with other scribes visiting Candlekeep when forum discussions slow down just a tad.
But as I recall, Alaundo said that he and the other staff here at Candlekeep would "look into it".
So Big Al, how about an update?
Well met
Hmmm I hate it when my responses are quoted word for word by scribes with such long memories  
Indeed, I will look into..... erm, aye ok, ok. My previous attempts were unsuccessful in hooking up the forum with the chat to enable member accounts to cross-over seamlessly. However, I will get back on the case and provide an update soon. It this fails once again, i'll be open to suggestions for other methods and tools. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 09:40:42
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by The Sage
This has been brought up in the past. It's a good idea, and I do agree with you. I wouldn't mind chatting with other scribes visiting Candlekeep when forum discussions slow down just a tad.
But as I recall, Alaundo said that he and the other staff here at Candlekeep would "look into it".
So Big Al, how about an update?
Well met
Hmmm I hate it when my responses are quoted word for word by scribes with such long memories
Indeed, I will look into..... erm, aye ok, ok. My previous attempts were unsuccessful in hooking up the forum with the chat to enable member accounts to cross-over seamlessly. However, I will get back on the case and provide an update soon. It this fails once again, i'll be open to suggestions for other methods and tools.
I'm surprised I remembered  . This particular topic hasn't been brought up in quite a while  .
Still, it'll be nifty if we can get something relating to a 'chat room' happening. And, on the brightside (if you can call it that  ), it gives the Furry Hamster another avenue in which to use his remarkable skills of mischief making  .
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36874 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 11:21:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
Still, it'll be nifty if we can get something relating to a 'chat room' happening. And, on the brightside (if you can call it that ), it gives the Furry Hamster another avenue in which to use his remarkable skills of mischief making .
And that's always a good thing! |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 16:53:24
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Eeeep,
I think I opened a can of worms with this question. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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LordEverhate
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 17:51:13
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| Well, if you guys DO decide to create a chat room, can I suggest you use psionics.net IRC? ENWorld, Realms of Evil, and several other larger D&D sites host their chat rooms there and I think Candlekeep would be most welcome on the server as well. :) |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4692 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 18:09:03
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| Last time I looked at IRC some years ago, anybody could claim to be somebody else. Now if this has been changed and a fixed identy is maintained on servers this offers other problems. Some handles might already be in use thus not useable by members of candlekeep that have the same handle. It also would result in passwords being turned over to a thrid party of identities not already used (the latter might be handled with a universal candlekeep password in the interface with ENWorld, but the handshake and valication coding can be complex). |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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LordEverhate
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 18:15:54
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Last time I looked at IRC some years ago, anybody could claim to be somebody else. Now if this has been changed and a fixed identy is maintained on servers this offers other problems. Some handles might already be in use thus not useable by members of candlekeep that have the same handle. It also would result in passwords being turned over to a thrid party of identities not already used (the latter might be handled with a universal candlekeep password in the interface with ENWorld, but the handshake and valication coding can be complex).
Having been an IRC Operator at the server until recently, I can pretty much guarantee that there will be very few nickname conflicts...in fact, I haven't seen any 'official' realms names being used at all. Also, you can register nicknames on most IRC servers now, making it impossible for someone else who doesn't have your password to impersonate you. Even if they did, they would be quickly banned from the server for breaking the rules.
Also, this server isn't as 'populated' as most of the larger servers...meaning that you won't have a lot of clueless people come into your channel to cause problems. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4692 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2005 : 18:48:23
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Originally posted by LordEverhate
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Last time I looked at IRC some years ago, anybody could claim to be somebody else. Now if this has been changed and a fixed identy is maintained on servers this offers other problems. Some handles might already be in use thus not useable by members of candlekeep that have the same handle. It also would result in passwords being turned over to a thrid party of identities not already used (the latter might be handled with a universal candlekeep password in the interface with ENWorld, but the handshake and valication coding can be complex).
Having been an IRC Operator at the server until recently, I can pretty much guarantee that there will be very few nickname conflicts...in fact, I haven't seen any 'official' realms names being used at all.
There have been from time to time official names used by people not entitled to, however my concern with interface with the server includes users ident. You can look at the member list of about 2,000 names and I am reasonable sure that you will find at least one name (more likely many) that have already been password protected. Chosen of <foo>, first name, lastname, a class sometimes. So far I have not found anone else using my handle/nick name that I use here, however other IDs I use and had used certainly have been used by others including a few times net abuse. quote:
Also, you can register nicknames on most IRC servers now, making it impossible for someone else who doesn't have your password to impersonate you. Even if they did, they would be quickly banned from the server for breaking the rules.
Of course you can only register if the nick is not already in use, right? Also finding out which is imp sometimes becomes a problem.
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Also, this server isn't as 'populated' as most of the larger servers...meaning that you won't have a lot of clueless people come into your channel to cause problems.
Without looking at the channel not sure what is considered clueless, however if candlekeep did do an interface there is the potentional to get some.
Also as i tried to indicate before if I wanted ENWorld to have my password they would have recieved it years ago (or at least one of them). Others might be as protective of their passwords to not have it handed over to another server. IAE unless I am in error of my estimate of at least a few nicks already in use, even a password protected interface would not provide full access for all membership of candlekeep. This of course would be the goal of a chat interface for candlekeep that all members could chat if they wished to. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 02:58:13
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Originally posted by LordEverhate
Well, if you guys DO decide to create a chat room, can I suggest you use psionics.net IRC? ENWorld, Realms of Evil, and several other larger D&D sites host their chat rooms there and I think Candlekeep would be most welcome on the server as well. :)
I'll second LordEverhate's (that name is going to take some getting used to ) suggestion about psionics.net IRC. I've used the system over at RoE, and aside from a few earlier bumps in the road, the chat system overall has proven to be a great addition to the message boards as a whole.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4692 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 03:07:04
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'll second LordEverhate's (that name is going to take some getting used to ) suggestion about psionics.net IRC.
Alas another thing we disagree with, this time tech. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 03:37:05
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Well, as a programmer, I'm already intimately familiar with most of the chat software currently available. And I've seen most of the code used to "write" them. And by far, psionics.net IRC is the most appropriate for what Alaundo is (hopefully) planning. It also has the least "program loopholes" compared to a number of other systems.. some of which you actually have to pay significant amounts of money to obtain their use.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 09:04:59
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Clearly is Java chat and a security risk, also are other free programs available. As for using another server there of course is advantage in having somebody else pay for bandwidth, however I see that psionics.net seeks contributions now.
An interface with candlekeep entire user base and psionics.net's almost certainly would result in some Ident problem. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:07:13
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So,
I'm just resurecting this because... I'm still interested in this. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:23:32
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:26:02
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Huzzah! It would be great to chat with the fellow Scribes and Masters of Realmslore!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:31:43
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Well, if you've got Instant Messenger software, you can already chat with other scribes so long as they too have the same software. It's simply a matter of exchanging addresses.
I still like the idea of having a whole Candlekeep Chat system though, especially because not every scribe has IM software and even those who do sometimes choose not to present their addresses here.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:32:45
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:36:17
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I'd love to make the attempt of hosting an IRC server, but it would have to be tied to SageOS, and unless you all now live in Australia, you won't have access to the requisite software (when it eventually hits the market).
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:41:14
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'd love to make the attempt of hosting an IRC server, but it would have to be tied to SageOS, and unless you all now live in Australia, you won't have access to the requisite software (when it eventually hits the market).
Do we even need to really set a separate one up? I mean, we've seen some discussion of psionics.net as a possibility in this thread, and just setting up a single channel somewhere *should* be enough-hell, if it wasn't for all the talk of security in this thread, I'd just /join #candlekeep on irc.psionics.net and we could go from there. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:47:10
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There may not be a way to control handles, though, and that could cause some problems. But then again, I haven't been on an IRC channel in years.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:47:58
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'd love to make the attempt of hosting an IRC server, but it would have to be tied to SageOS, and unless you all now live in Australia, you won't have access to the requisite software (when it eventually hits the market).
Do we even need to really set a separate one up? I mean, we've seen some discussion of psionics.net as a possibility in this thread, and just setting up a single channel somewhere *should* be enough-hell, if it wasn't for all the talk of security in this thread, I'd just /join #candlekeep on irc.psionics.net and we could go from there.
Actually, that's a good point.
Candlekeep still has a relatively "small" population of frequently visiting scribes (at least more so than most message boards), so the need for a new server would probably be minimal... And existing psionics.net software would most likely be enough for nearly everyone to chat.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:48:01
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Originally posted by The Sage
Well, if you've got Instant Messenger software, you can already chat with other scribes so long as they too have the same software. It's simply a matter of exchanging addresses.
I still like the idea of having a whole Candlekeep Chat system though, especially because not every scribe has IM software and even those who do sometimes choose not to present their addresses here.
I know me and Kuje chat fairly often on IM, used to use AIM, but I'm on strike with them.
After being a customer for several years with AOL, they won't let me keep my SN, unless I pay them for Email service which I don't need or want.
One thing that I do like since using IM is that I seem to have full control on banning all those stupid pop-ups that come up through windows. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:52:15
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by The Sage
Well, if you've got Instant Messenger software, you can already chat with other scribes so long as they too have the same software. It's simply a matter of exchanging addresses.
I still like the idea of having a whole Candlekeep Chat system though, especially because not every scribe has IM software and even those who do sometimes choose not to present their addresses here.
I know me and Kuje chat fairly often on IM, used to use AIM, but I'm on strike with them.
After being a customer for several years with AOL, they won't let me keep my SN, unless I pay them for Email service which I don't need or want.
One thing that I do like since using IM is that I seem to have full control on banning all those stupid pop-ups that come up through windows.
Back when the Bookwyrm was a regular here, he and I would chat for hours on MSN Messenger, but I've now mostly avoided that after I recently had the opportunity to view its coding up close. I've actually seen how many loopholes are in the IM software that viruses can exploit to penetrate your system. Yahoo IM has less loopholes and more protective measures.
Of course, when Google IM finishes up with the restructure, I'll likely switch to that.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:52:41
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
There may not be a way to control handles, though, and that could cause some problems. But then again, I haven't been on an IRC channel in years.
C-Fb
Last I checked, psionics.net did do nick registration, and any sane IRC server should be doing the same.
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'd love to make the attempt of hosting an IRC server, but it would have to be tied to SageOS, and unless you all now live in Australia, you won't have access to the requisite software (when it eventually hits the market).
Do we even need to really set a separate one up? I mean, we've seen some discussion of psionics.net as a possibility in this thread, and just setting up a single channel somewhere *should* be enough-hell, if it wasn't for all the talk of security in this thread, I'd just /join #candlekeep on irc.psionics.net and we could go from there.
Actually, that's a good point.
Candlekeep still has a relatively "small" population of frequently visiting scribes (at least more so than most message boards), so the need for a new server would probably be minimal... And existing psionics.net software would most likely be enough for nearly everyone to chat.
Yep-I'm in #candlekeep on irc.psionics.net now.
My only concern using psionics.net is that, unless one of us donates some amount of cash, then the channel will disappear as IRC channels are wont to do when there's no one in them(and the box I use for IRC doesn't stay up 24/7). |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 02:53:45
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How does one get there?
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 03:50:05
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You are all invited tomorrow night between 6 and 7 pm PST to come and chat with us at www.psionics.net
Instructions: Go to URL above. Click on CHAT. Enter your avatar name when IRC window pops up. Type /join #candlekeep
Then have fun! See you there! |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 03:53:30
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I'll be there whenever I have an IRC client open, which is like from 4 pm EST to 8 am EST, generally.
EDIT: Kuje and I are the only people left on! Come help! |
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Alaundo
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Chat room question
