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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 04 May 2005 : 20:53:22
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I just saw this one today, although I have been aware of it for a while now. I only got a chance to leaf through it, so I cannot make an entirely objective review of this one, but I do know one thing that will start some . . . discussion . . .
Anyone who has seen it I would love to hear your comments on the top ten Dungeons and Dragons novels section in the book.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2005 : 21:33:02
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| I've been trying to find a copy at the local stores for 2 weeks. :( So that's my comment. Grins. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2005 : 21:42:54
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| Just saw it in Borders today . . . not sure about your particular outlets! |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2005 : 03:08:23
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| I'm still looking for this, can you believe it. :) I guess I need to bug Mediplay again since the last time I was there, about 2 weeks ago, they still didn't have. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2005 : 03:10:55
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| All I know is I want it. :) |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 19:14:04
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Originally posted by Kuje
I'm still looking for this, can you believe it. :) I guess I need to bug Mediplay again since the last time I was there, about 2 weeks ago, they still didn't have.
I just got back from Barnes and Noble, and still haven't found it. I really want to get this for my wife, she has expressed an interest in playing, but she's intimidated by the multitude of books we use every week. I think this may be just what I need to get her involved in D&D, but I can't find it. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 22:37:34
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Originally posted by Xysma
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Originally posted by Kuje
I'm still looking for this, can you believe it. :) I guess I need to bug Mediplay again since the last time I was there, about 2 weeks ago, they still didn't have.
I just got back from Barnes and Noble, and still haven't found it. I really want to get this for my wife, she has expressed an interest in playing, but she's intimidated by the multitude of books we use every week. I think this may be just what I need to get her involved in D&D, but I can't find it.
Try Special Ordering it. Most book stores will order in a book for you that they don't have instock. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 22:47:37
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Originally posted by warlockco
Try Special Ordering it. Most book stores will order in a book for you that they don't have instock.
They couldn't even find it in thier puters. :) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 03:58:44
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by warlockco
Try Special Ordering it. Most book stores will order in a book for you that they don't have instock.
They couldn't even find it in thier puters. :)
Bah, I'll go do some research at my Media Play tomorrow and see if I can get the appropriate information for those at your store to be able to obtain it.
BTW why aren't you having your connection get for you, or you want to browse it first?  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 04:10:42
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Originally posted by warlockco
Bah, I'll go do some research at my Media Play tomorrow and see if I can get the appropriate information for those at your store to be able to obtain it.
BTW why aren't you having your connection get for you, or you want to browse it first?
Not sure if he orders normal books since he's a comic store that sometimes carries D&D stuff. :) I suppose I could ask him though soon. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
1089 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 16:00:56
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by warlockco
Bah, I'll go do some research at my Media Play tomorrow and see if I can get the appropriate information for those at your store to be able to obtain it.
BTW why aren't you having your connection get for you, or you want to browse it first?
Not sure if he orders normal books since he's a comic store that sometimes carries D&D stuff. :) I suppose I could ask him though soon.
I found it at Waldenbooks, they had gotten in several copies. I haven't picked it up yet, but plan on doing so today. Just from looking at it in the store, it seems that it will be great for introducing new players to the game. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 17:29:58
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| Oh yeah, Mediplay finally had a copy. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 17:37:34
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| I saw it a B&N the other day. I want it, but it's not something I have to have. If I had the cash to spare, I'd buy it now, but there's too much going on right now for me to drop cash on this one. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 02:31:03
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| Forgive me for saying this, but as someone who is teaching his children, and trying to teach his children's friends, how to play D&D, it is a great idea, becuase it looks so much less intimdating that books designed to look like arcane spellbooks or with monsters or mystic lettering on it. Its not that I mind such things, and I actually find many of them rather artistic, but considering the cult like image that our hobby has had for so long, its a lot easier to give a child a book that makes our hobby look like a game (which it is) than one that might look almost like a religeous text. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 03:54:21
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Forgive me for saying this, but as someone who is teaching his children, and trying to teach his children's friends, how to play D&D, it is a great idea, becuase it looks so much less intimdating that books designed to look like arcane spellbooks or with monsters or mystic lettering on it. Its not that I mind such things, and I actually find many of them rather artistic, but considering the cult like image that our hobby has had for so long, its a lot easier to give a child a book that makes our hobby look like a game (which it is) than one that might look almost like a religeous text.
It's not a cult?
I have all these candles and robes for nothing?
The books aren't sacred?
True, we could use a bit of a improved image.
Then there is the other stereotype, Geeks and Nerds only play RPGs. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 04:09:12
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No, the candles are becuase Alaundo won't spring for driftglobes or everburning torches, and the robes are due to our dear leaders impared fashion sense. That's why so few Sembians choose to retire into our service.
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 05:06:37
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| Great! Now, what am I supposed to do with all these sheep? Looks like mutton is on the menu in the Faerie Kitchen! |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 17:11:29
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Originally posted by Xysma
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Originally posted by warlockco
Then there is the other stereotype, Geeks and Nerds only play RPGs.
You mean some of us aren't nerds? 
I'm a geek, not a nerd. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 17:36:37
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
No, the candles are becuase Alaundo won't spring for driftglobes or everburning torches, and the robes are due to our dear leaders impared fashion sense. That's why so few Sembians choose to retire into our service.
Wait . . . His Most Knowlagable and Well Dressed Sagacity isn't listening in is he?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 02:47:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xysma
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Originally posted by warlockco
Then there is the other stereotype, Geeks and Nerds only play RPGs.
You mean some of us aren't nerds?
I'm a geek, not a nerd.
I always thought I was a little of both... what with the computers and all... . Programmers are regarded as nerds afterall.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 02:51:34
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Oh no, Great Alaundo, the wardrobe is fine . . .
(Paladin's of Deneir don't get into trouble for making jokes at their superior's expense do they?) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 18:52:29
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At a distance, this books seems to be too long to be an accessible introduction, too friendly to powergaming, and too much the WotC party line. True?
I am curious about this, but I have too little space to buy books from idle curiosity these days...quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
...its a lot easier to give a child a book that makes our hobby look like a game (which it is) than one that might look almost like a religeous text.
I know what you mean. At the same time, prejudice about what a game is supposed to be has twisted a lot of players' approach to roleplaying. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 01:04:47
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I don't know. I think people change a lot the longer they play. When I was DMing back in 7th grade I certainly didn't do things the way I do now, so if I end up finding new players that are younger, and they get into "powergaming" isn't that still a step in the right direction, and better than if the only RPGs they know of are Final Fantasy and Everquest?
And I'm not quite sure how the book promotes "the company line" of WOTC. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 04:53:18
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I don't know. I think people change a lot the longer they play. When I was DMing back in 7th grade I certainly didn't do things the way I do now, so if I end up finding new players that are younger, and they get into "powergaming" isn't that still a step in the right direction, and better than if the only RPGs they know of are Final Fantasy and Everquest?
And I'm not quite sure how the book promotes "the company line" of WOTC.
I was something of a powergamer when I started role-playing... I didn't go as far as min-maxing, but I did pay close attention to the numbers, and I made the occasional decision based on power. Plus, I had a bad habit of dreaming up über-powerful NPCs with magic items for all occasions, and then some.
Luckily, I outgrew that. Now I want story and concept, and I'll juggle the numbers to match those. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 19:10:31
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I don't know. I think people change a lot the longer they play. When I was DMing back in 7th grade I certainly didn't do things the way I do now, so if I end up finding new players that are younger, and they get into "powergaming" isn't that still a step in the right direction, and better than if the only RPGs they know of are Final Fantasy and Everquest?
And I'm not quite sure how the book promotes "the company line" of WOTC.
Hey, I like Final Fantasy! |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 19:22:30
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| Not meant to be a slam (I had the original FF on my NES YEARS ago), just that I had someone at work that saw my Dungeon Magazine and was trying to tell me that Ultima Online was the oldest RPG, even older than D&D. When I tried to explain the difference between P&P RPGs and CRPGs, he thought that we just made up characters offline to try to put into the computer games . . . |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 22:08:24
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
And I'm not quite sure how the book promotes "the company line" of WOTC.
I haven't read it, so maybe it doesn't. But it seems that it presents D&D house-organ-style without mention of other RPGs, discusses WotC books rather than third-party ones, presents the d20 play mentality and design philosophy uncritically, and has a 'best 10 D&D novels' list that rather coincides with what the company is looking to sell right now. True? |
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