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Antareana
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 Posted - 01 May 2005 : 22:39:33
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Well... what DO the twelve Princes actually have to do with Arthur, the great King of Britain?, might you ask.
While you can definately say that it is neither their behaviour nor their city, it is... their names:
A short time agon when I was searching for inspirations for sweet names for my characters (and I LIKE those celtic ones), I found out that "Brennus" actually meant Prince, or Raven in the Language of the good ol' celts
Inspired by this, I started to google around and then realized that most of the Princes of Shade were named after some small characters of the Arthurian legend and its side-stories:
Rivalen was the father of well-known Tristan
Melegaunt was the lord of the keep were Guinevere lived when she was younger
Yder was a kind of prisoner of Guinevere one time (he just didn't know how to behave)
Lamorak was a Knight of Camelot
Clariburnus was no character at all, but "Caliburnus" was the name of Excalibur in a different version of the Saga
Mattick (though a real name itself) is based on the celtic word Maddock which means "good luck"
so... this all leads us to one question: Was this all intentional or just a big coincidence?
and even Telamont's name has a meaning, although I don't think it was intentional - it is an old word for "Atlant" which means a pillar in the shape of a Human (like the statue of Atlas holding the world), and is also the name of one of the Argonauts ;)
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
Sweden
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Posted - 01 May 2005 : 22:45:07
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Hi Antareana,
It would be nice to have an oficial statement to what you have found ... nice research!
Best regards,
Manuel |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 00:00:59
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I didn't notice that... I did think some of the names of the Princes of Shade were a bit odd, but no more than that. Good catch, Antareana.
About Telamont, it must be a reference about him being the main pillar of the Shades' society, or otherwise point out his importance. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 00:41:49
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Originally posted by Antareana
so... this all leads us to one question: Was this all intentional or just a big coincidence?
I suppose it is possible that it's all a coinky-dink, but I think it more likely that it was intentional.
And it's not unprecedented. Look at the name of Drizzt's panther... |
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Tanyn Midrain
Acolyte
Sweden
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 05:04:03
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| Forgive my ignorance Wooly, but where did Guenhwyvar get her name from? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 05:05:06
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Originally posted by Tanyn Midrain
Forgive my ignorance Wooly, but where did Guenhwyvar get her name from?
I believe WR is making a reference to the fact that King Aruther's wife also had that name. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 05:57:01
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Tanyn Midrain
Forgive my ignorance Wooly, but where did Guenhwyvar get her name from?
I believe WR is making a reference to the fact that King Aruther's wife also had that name.
Indeed. Guenhwyvar is another way of spelling Guinnevere/Guenevier/Guennevere/King Arthur's girl. I believe that the name Jennifer is also descended from this name. |
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Tanyn Midrain
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 06:56:48
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Thank's for the info. I should have known that, having seen Merlin and all 
Sry for getting off topic. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 14:00:23
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Originally posted by Tanyn Midrain
Thank's for the info. I should have known that, having seen Merlin and all
Sry for getting off topic.
No worries. Your question wasn't really off-target, since the answer still pertained to Arthurian names being used in the Realms. 
Oh, and speaking of things Arthurian, the Cormyrean Lords Who Sleep always brought to mind a certain aspect of Arthurian legend, at least for me.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 15:32:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Oh, and speaking of things Arthurian, the Cormyrean Lords Who Sleep always brought to mind a certain aspect of Arthurian legend, at least for me.
Are those "Lords Who Sleep" the ones that a certain author killed off? |
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Krafus
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 15:40:51
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Are those "Lords Who Sleep" the ones that a certain author killed off?
Yup. Deathstar Denning strikes again! |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 15:46:02
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Originally posted by Krafus
Yup. Deathstar Denning strikes again!
 That's a new nickname I hadn't heard of.
Then, yes WR, the "Lords Who Sleep" definitely does remind me of an Arthurian legend.
I'm sure many tales/stories have been inspired by this legendary figure. Although, I draw my line at having a moonblade stuck in a stone. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 16:31:49
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Krafus
Yup. Deathstar Denning strikes again!
That's a new nickname I hadn't heard of.
Then, yes WR, the "Lords Who Sleep" definitely does remind me of an Arthurian legend.
I'm sure many tales/stories have been inspired by this legendary figure. Although, I draw my line at having a moonblade stuck in a sword.
I trust you mean "stuck in a stone"?
"Deathstar Denning" is a good one, though. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 16:35:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I trust you mean "stuck in a stone"?
"Deathstar Denning" is a good one, though.
Egads yes, let me change that before I give someone an idea in a campaign.
Is the nickname because of something he wrote for the Star Wars universe? I seem to recall he might have killed off someone important from there.
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 18:30:02
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Egads yes, let me change that before I give someone an idea in a campaign.
Is the nickname because of something he wrote for the Star Wars universe? I seem to recall he might have killed off someone important from there.
SB
The Star Wars connection might have something to do with it, but IIRC, that nickname arose before he wrote his Star Wars novel (or is it novels?). Anyway, again IIRC, he got that nickname because of what he did to Tilverton, Cormyr and Evereska. Got something you want destroyed in Faerun? Call on Deathstar Denning! |
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 19:39:53
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Hmm...I know this might be off topic but, ah to heck with it, here I go.
I've read the end of Windwalker again to reconfirm this, and I found that it has strong connection to Norse mythology. Maybe this might have been discussed before, but looks like the three elven gals (Liriel, Thorn and Sharlarra) are based on a famous Norse myth: the valkryie. I read somewhere that the valkryies are maidens who are often seen together with wolves and ravens, which are servants of Odin themselves. Well, Sharlarra with her horse; Storm the lythari; and Liriel who can change into a raven... Did EC do this knowingly? If this has been discussed before, please tell me, so that next time I will search the forum for a topic before rezzing it accidentally again. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 20:21:28
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Originally posted by Krafus
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Egads yes, let me change that before I give someone an idea in a campaign.
Is the nickname because of something he wrote for the Star Wars universe? I seem to recall he might have killed off someone important from there.
SB
The Star Wars connection might have something to do with it, but IIRC, that nickname arose before he wrote his Star Wars novel (or is it novels?). Anyway, again IIRC, he got that nickname because of what he did to Tilverton, Cormyr and Evereska. Got something you want destroyed in Faerun? Call on Deathstar Denning!
Alright, lets ask him if he can write a book about Menzoberranzan. |
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Antareana
Seeker
Germany
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 22:37:07
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it was a pleasure to find out *bows deeply*
oh yes, the "Lord who sleeps"... very obviously
"Deathstar Denning" sounds funny, this one's new for me, too. At the end of the Avatar trilogy there was a lot of destruction, too (maybe he's just Talos' little chosen?)
what interests me now is, who chose the name for the Princes? Troy Denning? Someone else? Maybe even Ed? If we want some verification for intentions, we have to find out that first |
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