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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 14:26:40
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I know in several threads that people have discussed the events of NWN, most especially the whole Underdark war and Mephisophiles running amok in Waterdeep in HOTU. In case anyone missed it, Eric Boyd mentioned in his "ask" thread that HOTU will not be considered as part of the Waterdeep sourcebook . . .
So apparently HOTU happens in an "alternate" FR.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2005 : 12:52:57
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No, it happens on your computer. The 'events' of the computer game are not considered to be happening in the gaming/novel FR universe although some of the protagonists featured in the games may exist in the Realms.
-- George Krashos
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2005 : 16:22:31
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A few examples of why the game isn't considered canon: In the game you can kill Obould Many Arrows, I'm sure the people of the SIlver Marches would have loved for that to be canon Furthermore, Luskan is more or less razed to the ground from within - Arklem Greeth loses power over the Arcane Brotherhood (again ), Klauth is most likely killed (even if you're evil - you can kill a BIG red dragon, go for it ), and finally - in the game, the Sarrukh have legs ...
(And I know, those examples were all from the OC rather than HotU, but I'm sure you could find several examples in that campaign as well, I didn't particularly enjoy it though (got a thing with demons and devils - not good if you want to enjoy the final chapter). |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Edited by - Kajehase on 30 Apr 2005 16:25:01 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2005 : 17:10:28
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Thanks for the reply George. Yeah, I knew that it most likely was not going to be considered cannon for future sourcebooks, but thats alright. I was almost afraid if parts of it WERE considered cannon, since we already had quite a bit of upheaval in the Underdark, and I didn't want to try and explain a rampaging Arch Devil on the streets of Waterdeep, though as was pointed out, that would likely be less catastrophic than what happened to Neverwinter and Luskan in the original campaign.
Speaking of that . . . there didn't seem to be much "feel" of Neverwinter in the original campaign, other than Lord Nasher's name being used. Baldur's Gate (the original) seemed to have a lot of Realms "fluff" that felt right, so I wonder what happened. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Apr 2005 : 19:00:21
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| Well there was the Moonstone Mask and Ophala what's-her-name, Cheddarstorm?, too. Not much to point to her being an authority-figure in the city though. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2005 : 23:17:02
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Yes, I forgot . . . they did indeed use an existing festhall as well. Actually when I remember things like that it frustrates me even more that some of the other parts of the cannon to Neverwinter gets forgotten . . .
I love the work Bioware did on the toolset and on the Baldur's Gate games, but it makes me wonder why they can remember Nasher's name and the name of a festhall, but not that Neverwinter is famous for its bridges, waterclocks, and colored glass.
I know its simple things, but the little Realmslore items are what make it actually seem like a Realms game and not just a generic fantasy RPG.
I only hope that Obsidian pays a little more attention to the devil in the details in NWN 2. They seemed to have packed a lot of old Expanded Universe lore in to KOTR 2.
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2005 : 04:34:40
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Well, as for the bridges I don't spend too much being sad about those. Looking at the ones that are in the game makes it pretty clear that they decided to go for a something that could be used in any city-setting, whereas, if a bridge is famous it usually looks fairly unique, and as such wouldn't be of much use for those of us toiling away in the toolset.
Had the toolset been completely useless (or non-existent), I would have been screaming bloody murder about them though |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Rudar Dimble
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 May 2005 : 15:54:01
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Originally posted by George Krashos
No, it happens on your computer. The 'events' of the computer game are not considered to be happening in the gaming/novel FR universe although some of the protagonists featured in the games may exist in the Realms.
-- George Krashos
Could you give some examples, let's say from BG2 or NWN? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2005 : 18:09:57
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Well, from NWN we have the obvious, Lord Nasther, Ophala "Cheddarstorm" (no, I'm not going to look up the real last name, Cheddarstorm is funnier ), Judge Oleff (one of the Tyrran priests), Obould Many-Arrows (more of a sub-boss than an NPC though), the Luskan wizards as well as the two Luskanite High Captains, Klauth, the mayor of Port Llast, and quite a few others.
As for BG2, someone who has that game will have to answer that part. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Rudar Dimble
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 May 2005 : 20:03:36
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Well, from NWN we have the obvious, Lord Nasther, Ophala "Cheddarstorm" (no, I'm not going to look up the real last name, Cheddarstorm is funnier), Judge Oleff (one of the Tyrran priests), Obould Many-Arrows (more of a sub-boss than an NPC though), the Luskan wizards as well as the two Luskanite High Captains, Klauth, the mayor of Port Llast, and quite a few others.
As for BG2, someone who has that game will have to answer that part.
Did I fight Obould Many-Arrows in NWN?  |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2005 : 20:25:10
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| Chapter 3 - Kill the two orc bandit leaders and bring their head to a guy in Beorunna's Well (btw, what on earth is a contingent of the Lord's Alliance's army doing in Beorunna's Well if it's trying to stop Luskan marching on Neverwinter?), and he'll ask you to take care of Obould as well. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Rudar Dimble
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 May 2005 : 20:50:47
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Chapter 3 - Kill the two orc bandit leaders and bring their head to a guy in Beorunna's Well (btw, what on earth is a contingent of the Lord's Alliance's army doing in Beorunna's Well if it's trying to stop Luskan marching on Neverwinter?), and he'll ask you to take care of Obould as well.
Well, really can't remember it, but apparently I've killed the guy, since I've finished the game (without cheating off course ).
And about the Alliance...yes you're right. Doesn't make any snese. May be they are scared to get to close to Neverwinter and they don't want to risk a frontal attack in Luskan? Doesn't sound very logical, but it COULD be an explanation. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2005 : 22:03:13
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Or, if the map that comes with the game is anything to go by, the NWN-designers misplaced Beorunna's Well and surroundings with over 400 miles...
And you don't have to kill Obould to finish the game, I usually let him run off in the hope he'll put an end to a seemingly never-ending series of books |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Rudar Dimble
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 05:30:10
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Or, if the map that comes with the game is anything to go by, the NWN-designers misplaced Beorunna's Well and surroundings with over 400 miles...
And you don't have to kill Obould to finish the game, I usually let him run off in the hope he'll put an end to a seemingly never-ending series of books
Well, did it work? (Don't know whether he still appears in the newest books) |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2005 : 16:13:51
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| Fat chance. As long as those books sell, they'll keep getting written. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Rudar Dimble
Learned Scribe
131 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2005 : 20:43:38
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Originally posted by Xysma
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Originally posted by Rudar Dimble
Did I fight Obould Many-Arrows in NWN?
I was wondering the same thing, I'll have to go back and look for him. Can someone tell me what chapter, etc...?
Well, I can't remember fighting him, but there's a good chance that it is chapter 3 |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 07:30:52
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Originally posted by Kajehase
and finally - in the game, the Sarrukh have legs...
Were the old ones the sarrukh? |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 15:08:56
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Were the old ones the sarrukh?
Well, they were a race of reptilian humanoids that ruled the land ages ago when the North was a verdant jungle, but have spent the last few millenia on a different plane.
Unless anyone know of a second race that fit in with, I'd say they were/are sarrukh.
As for the whole leg-thingy, that could of course be blamed on WoTC for not paying attention to their in-game appearance when they did Serpent Kingdoms, but I've found so many discrepancies between established FR-lore and NWN that I'm going to blame Bioware for this one too - purely out of spite |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 00:56:23
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Had they been Nagas with arms I would have blamed Jean Rabe and her book Red Magic . . .
(All these years and I still can't give that one up)
I was never too thrilled with how orcs looked either. They kind of looked like evil muppets. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 : 03:54:17
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Originally posted by Rudar Dimble
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
No, it happens on your computer. The 'events' of the computer game are not considered to be happening in the gaming/novel FR universe although some of the protagonists featured in the games may exist in the Realms.
-- George Krashos
Could you give some examples, let's say from BG2 or NWN?
Well Irenicus appeared in the novel version, so he did exist. Same goes for Melissan. The Twisted Rune's Runemasters are in BG2 and you can kill them (and they are tough if you aren't properly prepared). Drizzt and friends can also be killed (if you want to be evil, plus this is even more fun to do if you kill Drizzt in BG1). Hmmm, that's about all I can think of at the moment.
Oy, now I'm tempted to start a new game of BG/BG@/ToB (playing an evil character of course). |
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