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Chosen of Bane
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 Posted - 27 Mar 2005 : 23:22:17
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Has there been any mention of Lord Orgauth since the introduction of 3rd edition? He is talked about extensively in Cloak and Dagger but then Lords of Darkness did not mention him at all.
Does anybody have any info on the current whereabouts and activities of Lord Orgauth? How did he react to the return of Bane? Is he still content playing 2nd fiddle to a human?
I have Ruins of Zhentil Keep and Cloak and Dagger. Other than that I can't think of any source that has details about him.
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Mar 2005 : 23:57:18
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| Orgauth's fate is dealt with on page 164 of FRCS3E, under the listing for Scyulla Darkhope. See the next to last paragraph on that page. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 00:09:40
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| That's just like me to look into every source except for the main FR book. Thanks |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 00:15:54
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Hmmmm.....
So, a 15th level character defeated a Pit Fiend all by herself.
Not sure I like it |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 18:24:32
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
Hmmmm.....
So, a 15th level character defeated a Pit Fiend all by herself.
Not sure I like it
A 15th level character did what?!
That sounds like total rubbish.
(15th level beating one of the strongest kind of baatezu?yeah right)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 18:42:43
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
Hmmmm.....
So, a 15th level character defeated a Pit Fiend all by herself.
Not sure I like it
A 15th level character did what?!
That sounds like total rubbish.
(15th level beating one of the strongest kind of baatezu?yeah right)
It's possible, given the correct circumstances. As we don't know exactly what happened, I'll not comment as to whether or not it's rubbish. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 22:23:22
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I agree it's possible. I just said, I'm not sure if I like it. Lord Orgauth to me deserved a more spectacular end than being by one weaker character.
I think that happens a lot, especially in novels. The author or designer wants to show that the "new" character is powerful so they do something extreme without thinking of how difficult that would really be. I liken Scullyua killing Orgauth single handedly to Malik offing Rinda and Gwydion, Drizzt killing a balor, or Galaron (sp?) outsmarting the Chosen.
But like you mentioned, we don't know the circumstances but looking at it from what we know. I don't like it.
Normally I might look past it as a "who cares" kind of thing but since I'm running a campaign where the PC's are in the Zhentarim it would have been a cool thing to have them realize they are working indirectly with a Pit Fiend. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 22:39:18
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
Normally I might look past it as a "who cares" kind of thing but since I'm running a campaign where the PC's are in the Zhentarim it would have been a cool thing to have them realize they are working indirectly with a Pit Fiend.
I have to ask: Why can't they still be working for the pit fiend? It's YOUR setting. Change it! Yes I know I usually reply with canon material but if something TSR and WOTC published got in the way of my setting, I'd toss it! And I've done so but I always make sure the ignore part of history makes sense in my version! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 23:56:57
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
I agree it's possible. I just said, I'm not sure if I like it. Lord Orgauth to me deserved a more spectacular end than being by one weaker character.
I think that happens a lot, especially in novels. The author or designer wants to show that the "new" character is powerful so they do something extreme without thinking of how difficult that would really be. I liken Scullyua killing Orgauth single handedly to Malik offing Rinda and Gwydion, Drizzt killing a balor, or Galaron (sp?) outsmarting the Chosen.
But like you mentioned, we don't know the circumstances but looking at it from what we know. I don't like it.
Normally I might look past it as a "who cares" kind of thing but since I'm running a campaign where the PC's are in the Zhentarim it would have been a cool thing to have them realize they are working indirectly with a Pit Fiend.
But we don't know anything! How can you dislike it based on what we know, when all we know is that she killed him? In fact, we don't even know that much. All we have is a blurb.
All we know for certain is what the book says: she destroyed him. We know nothing of how this was accomplished. She could have manipulated others into doing the actual killing, or she could have sent waves of adventurers after him, until he was weakened enough for her to administer a coup de grāce... She could have betrayed him to some of her former paladin buddies, or set him up to fight a Chosen of Mystra...
Until we know the exact circumstances, it's all just speculation. And unless some author decides to cover it (in passing, most likely), I don't think we'll ever know exactly what happened. So, I don't see how we can like or dislike a situation that we don't have any information about. |
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Beowulf
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 00:45:55
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
I agree it's possible. I just said, I'm not sure if I like it. Lord Orgauth to me deserved a more spectacular end than being by one weaker character.
You're telling me!! I have a (DM)PC that is more-or-less the adopted son of Lord Orgauth, and the Good Lord of Zhentil Keep certainly deserved a better end than an anonymous death and burial during the fall of the Keep.
And then to have his name besmirched by some vile creature from the pits!!!
I can't wait til said (DM)PC finds out. In fact, Fzoul can't wait either. |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 02:06:20
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 02:12:19
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Pardon, I heard that the Lords of Zhentarim don't die so easily for they have stasis clones to back them up after each death, hence they are known never to die so easily no matter how they are slain.
Ah yes, the particular Zhentarim Lord is the Mage Manshoon who is infamous for using Stasis clones and coming back to life. From the information we have, Lord Orgauth and his Pit Fiend impersonator are both very dead. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 03:40:17
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| Yup, that's Manshoon's trick. Though he may in the future be a bit more cautious employing it, considering what happened during the Manshoon Wars. |
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Mareka
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 21:14:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yup, that's Manshoon's trick. Though he may in the future be a bit more cautious employing it, considering what happened during the Manshoon Wars.
Where might one find more information about these 'Manshoon Wars'? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 23:25:53
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Originally posted by Mareka
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yup, that's Manshoon's trick. Though he may in the future be a bit more cautious employing it, considering what happened during the Manshoon Wars.
Where might one find more information about these 'Manshoon Wars'?
It was covered in great detail in Cloak & Dagger. 'Twas one of the best sourcebooks to come out of 2E, and also one of the last.
It also covers the Harper Schism. |
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Mareka
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 21:48:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was covered in great detail in Cloak & Dagger. 'Twas one of the best sourcebooks to come out of 2E, and also one of the last.
It also covers the Harper Schism.
Thank you, Wooly. I'll have to download that one soon. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 05:19:57
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Ah, Cloak and Dagger, my personal favorite. Many times you'll read posts about how older edition game products were overflowing with realmslore instead of new spells, feats, and other game mechanic crap. To me, Cloak and Dagger is the best example of this. There is so much realmslore and juicy info that it feels like you're reading a novel rather than a sourcebook.
It was recommended to me on these very boards when I was trying to do research for my Zhentarim campaign (which I am currently running) and I bought it on Ebay. One of my best purchases. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 05:58:19
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It's one of my personal faves, too. 
I was so disappointed when I saw that 3E made the Harper Schism a sidenote and ended the Manshoon Wars.  |
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