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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 01:42:26
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Hello and good day to you or er.. night witchever it is.
I was wondering if there is any place or book or site that has a list concerning the known planes. And where they are on the great tree(just a bonus)However a list would be fine excluding ALL the demiplanes.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 02:45:24
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I trust you know of Manual of the Planes? There's both a 3rd edition one and an earlier one that was, I think, 1st edition. There's also the Planar Handbook, though I don't have it and don't know what all is in it. Lastly, The Sage is an expert on all matters planar, and can answer just about any question you have (though he's yet to tell me how to get to the plane of Toon  ).
Oh, and the Player's Guide to Faerūn covers the current Realms cosmology, the one that was arbitrarily inflicted on us with 3E. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 03:06:17
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For the planes of the Great Tree (the affectionate nickname we have taken to calling the new FR cosmology) you can check out the FRCS (Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting) which has a list as well as an illustration/map of the cosmology. This list is not complete however; they added a plane or two in the PGtF.
You can check out the Players Guide to Faerun for a more complete list, which has another beautiful map of the FR planes and some 26 or so pages of text describing them.
If you just want a list, you might check out this link here http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=259611 to a thread over on the FR cosmology forum which has a list of planes and monster encounters you might find on those planes, and some fun little plot hooks to get the ideas flowing for a Realms planar campaign. You may have to read down a little through the thread. The list of planes is burried down on page 4 of the thread in post #114.
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
185 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 05:27:40
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Thank you both
I will look into them all and i am sure i'll find them useful thnak you once again. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 15:54:12
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Good ol' Gray has already presented you with a nice little link that should provide enough information to get you on your way Senbar. However, we are always here to assist, so if you still have further questions regarding the FR planes, don't be afraid to ask.
As an addition to what Gray has already posted, I'm sending you some rather more Realms-specific information regarding the planes and the Great Tree.
Enjoy .
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 15:57:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
...(though he's yet to tell me how to get to the plane of Toon...
Yes, I keep meaning to get around to that .
Do you want it to focus on the pre 1960's era, or what we know consider to be the modern period of the Toon?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 17:10:16
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
...(though he's yet to tell me how to get to the plane of Toon...
Yes, I keep meaning to get around to that .
Do you want it to focus on the pre 1960's era, or what we know consider to be the modern period of the Toon?
You know what would be coolest? A cross between 1960's Warner Brothers and modern anime. 
And you'd better summon that planar port soon... Big Al is coming, staff at the ready!  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 08:00:23
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Actually, I'm wondering now whether I should send the tidbits I've collated from a number of FR tomes (regarding the planes) to Candlekeep as well.
I mean, most scribes here would likely already have access to the information, but it would be a handy little composition to have around nonetheless.
Hmmm...
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Alaundo
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 14:39:31
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I may post it here at Candlekeep first, for possible comment and refinement before I send it along to you Alaundo. I'm confident with my own planar understanding, but I'm hoping that those less familiar might find something that can be improved. This will ensure that it *is* something that will prove useful.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 14:45:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
I may post it here at Candlekeep first, for possible comment and refinement before I send it along to you Alaundo.
This sounds like a good idea to me. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 14:53:03
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| Oh, please Sage! I would love to see anything you put together regarding the planes of Faerun! Please do post it! |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 03:56:36
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Gray excellent work with the link that you have here on the this thread.Great job!
Sage I would love to see what you have concerning the planes.Even though I don't game anymore.I do love the lore.It's great to read...So please,please,please |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 04:29:24
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I didn't realise there were so many scribes clamouring for juicy FR planarlore...  .
I guess I'll have to re-double my efforts now, to ensure such an article is what you're all hoping it to be. I should have a rough draft to present in a few days.
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 19:12:09
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| As always Sage.Much obliged!!!! |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 20:28:44
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Originally posted by The Sage
I didn't realise there were so many scribes clamouring for juicy FR planarlore... .
I guess I'll have to re-double my efforts now, to ensure such an article is what you're all hoping it to be. I should have a rough draft to present in a few days.
Done yet? |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 00:19:16
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Waiting (patiently) for Sage's juicy planar lore has got my own creative juices flowing. So as an aperitif I offer my own humble musings regarding Heliopolis, The City of Glass, The City of Brass, and the cloud giant realm of Thraotor in Jotunheim here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=259611
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 00:56:02
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Just out of interest and speaking in total ignorance, aside from deities unique to the FR setting and the shape (trees and wheels), how would FR planar lore differ from GH planar lore?
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 07:34:51
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Good question. In many ways the planar lore of GH and FR will not differ, and good planar adventuring might be similar whether you are in GH or FR or even the planes of Michael Moorcock's multiverse or Zelazny's Amber.
Certainly for those divine realms and sites that have both a presence in the Great Wheel and the Great Tree, similarities will abound.
Especially since there hasn't been enough time or enough written about the FR planes for them to have diverged much yet from their 2E source material. Arvandor for instance is very similar between the cosmologies.
But one might as easily ask how would the lore of Amn differ from the lore of Tethyr? They're both just countries in the South of Faerun, right? Well, yes and no.
Just as between the countries of Faerun, the lore of the cosmologies of GH & FR bear many differences both striking and subtle. For instance, I gather that the Nishrek and Clangor planes of the FR Tree are quite a bit different in many ways from the Great Wheel versions.
Some major differences that are worth pointing out between the comsologies are the channeled Astral and how this isolates planes and makes it harder to travel between them, whereas in the Greyhawk cosmos you could walk in a circuit around all the planes to end up back where you started. Also GH clumps pantheons and petitioners by alignment. Whereas the FR Great Tree deemphasizes alignment and emphasizes more organization according to pantheon affiliation.
The Great Wheel has more of a cosmopolitan feel of cultures mixing--not just between planes but from different pantheons and worlds and races and ideologies. In the Great Wheel it would not be uncommon to see Chinese deities sipping tea in a bar with githyanki and vrocks. The whole Planescape setting had a very urban and alien feel like the Mos Eisley cantina in Star Wars. This clash of disparate cultures mixing together, Casablanca style, in a background of constant war and geo-plano-politics is what gave it so much of its charm and feel.
The Great Tree, however, may in some sense be more parochial, smaller in scale and less varied in its cultural mix. The inhabitants will all be from Toril, they will have shared in the history of the Realms during their terrestrial lives (if they are petitioners that is) and you are not going to see the clash of alien cultures within the FR planes so much as you would on the Great Wheel.
The charm of the planes of the FR cosmology might be found in how they are unique to Faerun. I imagine that the FR planes should have a sense of depth and history and detail that reflects the quality of lore we have for the prime-material Realms. Gods in Faerun have changed over the eras, they have clashed, died, evolved, split, made alliances and fought wars, and this history should be writ large across the cosmos. As below, so above, right?
I so crave to know this history, things like: what was the Supreme Throne like before Cyric came to power there, and what was this plane called back then. How have the planes changed over time between the Netheril era to the present (and further back). What planes do the Serpent gods hail from and what adventures wait there? These are all questions that capture my imagination.
I also want to know the ecology of the planes, what creatures live there, how do they interact within their planar ecological niches. How do petitioners organize themselves, what do they do in a day, and how do they relate to their god when the god lives just down the street or in the same building?
Sure the planes don't always light a fire in the minds of every player or DM that comes along. But for those it does, we want to know about the lore of the planes every bit as much as, say, you might want to know the succession of kings in Impiltur. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 14:24:32
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
Done yet?
It'll be a little while longer yet I'm afraid, my fellow scribes. I've been busy at the hospital with the Lady K over the past two days. We haven't learned much yet, but so far it seems to have nothing to do with the pregnacy.
As such, I'll likely be on and off here for the next few days, so my Realms committments will have to take a back seat. I apologise to those of you waiting in eager anticipation, but rest assured I'll have the article finished within the next seven days.
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
Waiting (patiently) for Sage's juicy planar lore has got my own creative juices flowing. So as an aperitif I offer my own humble musings regarding Heliopolis, The City of Glass, The City of Brass, and the cloud giant realm of Thraotor in Jotunheim here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=259611
Happy Gaming!
Oooh, I like this. Good stuff Gray. It's going in my PS archives...  .
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 18:01:08
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Why thank you, Sage! Quite an honor indeed! It warms the cockles of my heart to hear you say so.
As for Lady K and you, I send my hopes that all will turn out well. I will keep you in my thoughts.
Cheers,
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 18:35:20
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Originally posted by The Sage
It'll be a little while longer yet I'm afraid, my fellow scribes. I've been busy at the hospital with the Lady K over the past two days. We haven't learned much yet, but so far it seems to have nothing to do with the pregnacy.
Well met
Best wishes to Lady Kazandra, on behalf of all here at Candlekeep, Sage. I hope all is well. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 22:39:21
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Yeah, hang in there Sage. And how dare she pull a stunt like this just as you've received your copy of "Lost Empires" ...
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 22:42:55
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Thanks for the response Gray, and I do see your point in terms of how FR developments (such as the DC and other phenomena) would have had an impact on the planes. Your analysis also sparked something rather radical in me: after your description, having had no exposure to Planescape material granted, I prefer the tree instead of the wheel. But hey, that's a pretty superficial judgement at this stage.
And as for knowing the succession of the kings of Impiltur, that's no problem. You see, I've already written up all of the kings and queens of Impiltur.
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 23:44:51
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Ah, well now, you George are man of great perspicacity and fine taste.
I myself have come to view the planes of the realms as simply an extra-dimensional extension of the Realms. Additional realms within the Realms so to speak.
Planescape has much to recommend it, but I hope that one day the new cosmology of Faerun will reflect the depth of lore, sense of history and detail that make the rest of the Realms feel like such a "real" place that you wish you could go and visit yourself. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Feb 2005 : 03:14:05
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Well now it's been a while since i could even look at my own topic
I finally have the time to lookin and it seems there is definitely something interesting going on. I would like to say thank you again and that I am REALLY looking forward to the article you intend to post. For I would love anything having to do with the planes. So please do post it and my best wishes to you and Lady K |
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The Sage
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