quote:Originally posted by Azar There are solid reasons as to "why" that perception persists. In most D&D core rulebooks, Elves are listed as Chaotic Good; there hasn't been a single Forgotten Realms campaign setting book or box set that has gone out of its way to blatantly refute this moral/ethical description as it applies to Corellon's offspring in The Realms.
You might want to read "Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves" a bit more closely.
-- George Krashos
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
quote:Originally posted by Azar There are solid reasons as to "why" that perception persists. In most D&D core rulebooks, Elves are listed as Chaotic Good; there hasn't been a single Forgotten Realms campaign setting book or box set that has gone out of its way to blatantly refute this moral/ethical description as it applies to Corellon's offspring in The Realms.
You might want to read "Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves" a bit more closely.
-- George Krashos
I have*, but most players - hell, most DMs - don't get in that deep. By "campaign setting book or box set", I was referring to the primers which cover The Realms as a whole...touching on multiple regions (such as the 3e FRCS hardcover). That aside, I'm not sure where or even if we ought to continue this conversation; I dislike hijacking a thread with a broader purpose.
*Once through, from cover to cover. It is occasionally revisited for inspiration, however.
Stand with anybody that stands right. Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong.
Hey, I was going over Baelam the Bold (City of Splendors, Waterdeep: p. 120-121). In an earlier book, Campaign Guide to Myth Drannor inside the Ruins of Myth Drannor boxed set, he's stated to be 31 years old in the apparent year of 1356. However, the default date of 2e was 1368 DR, and he was also present in Dragon 172. While a later source overrules a previous source, CGtMD is not explicitly set in 1356.
If he is taken to be 31 years old by 1368 DR, that makes him out to be 5 years old in 1342 DR, when he slays his master's assassins. I think it's more reasonable to say he's 31 years old in 1356, so he'd be 17 years old by 1342, which is in line with many a player character's age. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me, but just to stay on the safe side, I thought I should check in. Was that bit in City of Splendors written under the consideration he was 31 years old in 1356, rather than in 1368?
My intent was to go with the 1325 DR birth year for Baelam the Bold.
While the general rule is that you go with the newer source, when it's Ed writing it and when they copied 1e material verbatim into a 2e source without updating it, my rule of thumb is to go with the older source.
Given such confusion, I now avoid writing ages and always write birth years. Keeps it much simpler for the DM who might be running the campaign in any given year.
Mr. Boyd, I have a question pertaining to Demihuman Deities. Generally speaking, with the exceptions of Fenmarel Mestarine (the loner) and Shevarash (the avenger), how open are the various Elven religions to the possibility of outsiders witnessing their ceremonies?
Stand with anybody that stands right. Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong.
My guess is probably about as interested as the Fair Folk are in having non-elves visit Evermeet.
By that I mean, very resistant, with the exception of certain elf-friends like Mirt, the Seven Sisters, Elminster, and senior Harpers.
--Eric
Essentially, Player Characters will need to perform a rather substantial favor for Corellon's children before they are granted the privilege? Much appreciated.
Stand with anybody that stands right. Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong.
My guess is probably about as interested as the Fair Folk are in having non-elves visit Evermeet.
By that I mean, very resistant, with the exception of certain elf-friends like Mirt, the Seven Sisters, Elminster, and senior Harpers.
--Eric
Essentially, Player Characters will need to perform a rather substantial favor for Corellon's children before they are granted the privilege? Much appreciated.
Exactly. And "substantial" is probably on par with rescue a small kingdom of elves.
I had an NPC that became an elf-friend and was welcome to Evermeet because he was part of a group (the others were elves) that found a legendary magic staff and returned it to Evermeet. The staff allowed High Magic to be cast without penalty outside of Evermeet.
Hey Eric i had a question for you i was just thinking about, do you think there could still be some secrets left behind undiscovered in myth glaurach that were never found by the elves during the last mythal series? and would you have any examples of some if there is any secrets still left?
Hey Eric i had a question for you i was just thinking about, do you think there could still be some secrets left behind undiscovered in myth glaurach that were never found by the elves during the last mythal series? and would you have any examples of some if there is any secrets still left?
Of course there are secrets!
For example, there is a lost folio penned by Teshyll the Aged recording his notes from speaking with Arun's Son about the fate of the lost city of Myth Adofhaer.
Oh thats really cool, that name Teshyll the aged seems familiar are they in your write up for the myth glaurach online article, was there anymore information on who Teshyll the aged was, were they any elf noble of some sought or a really powerful human caster that was respected by the elves? Im also curious about what Teshyll and Arun's son thoughts were on the fate of that city.
In the "trail of tears" article series there are words of wisdom from Tempus "echoing in the mind of anyone passing through the portal". Are those words supposed to echo in the mind after they arrive at a new scene as a sort of hint of what is to come or are they supposed to echo in the mind as people pass through the next portal leading to the next scene as a sort of conclusion of what they experienced at the last scene? Each can work equally fine I guess. I'm just curious as to what you intended.
And one additional question.
In 3.x City of Splendors - Waterdeep, in the sewers encounter tables, when you roll "thief" it refers to the text for explanation, but there is no explaining text for the thief entry. Was it supposed to be a reference to the previously mentioned "solitary rogues" that could be encountered there, basically just "rogue with 1dX levels" or did you have something more elaborate in mind for that, such as important rogue NPCs or teams of rogues from one of the thieves' guilds?
Oh thats really cool, that name Teshyll the aged seems familiar are they in your write up for the myth glaurach online article, was there anymore information on who Teshyll the aged was, were they any elf noble of some sought or a really powerful human caster that was respected by the elves? Im also curious about what Teshyll and Arun's son thoughts were on the fate of that city.
I think Teshyll the Aged was probably a moon elf, but I don't think I've ever figured that out for sure.
In the "trail of tears" article series there are words of wisdom from Tempus "echoing in the mind of anyone passing through the portal". Are those words supposed to echo in the mind after they arrive at a new scene as a sort of hint of what is to come or are they supposed to echo in the mind as people pass through the next portal leading to the next scene as a sort of conclusion of what they experienced at the last scene? Each can work equally fine I guess. I'm just curious as to what you intended.
After they arrive, but other is fine.
quote: And one additional question.
In 3.x City of Splendors - Waterdeep, in the sewers encounter tables, when you roll "thief" it refers to the text for explanation, but there is no explaining text for the thief entry. Was it supposed to be a reference to the previously mentioned "solitary rogues" that could be encountered there, basically just "rogue with 1dX levels" or did you have something more elaborate in mind for that, such as important rogue NPCs or teams of rogues from one of the thieves' guilds?
I don't recall exactly.
I would probably do something like:
60% - Solitary rogue, level 1d6 20% - Solitary rogue, level 2d6 20% - 1d4+1 rogues from a guild (re-roll for each).
Eric, first I would like to express a heartfelt thank you for all the work you do and the fact that you interact with the community. I am currently running an Age of Worms campaign, integrating it with Under Illefarn Anew and all the information it contains (great stuff BTW). I have taken the Land family and made them part of the Delimbiyr family (cousins of the current Delimbiyrs). However as I was researching the Delimbiyrs I came across a conflicting issue in Under Illefarm Anew. In the history of Daggerford it lists Kelven Delimbiyr as half moon elf, however, under Arayndar’s description Kelven is referred to as a half sun elf. Which is the accurate description? Also, do you have any further information on the Delimbiyr family? Ancestors that came after Kelven? Was Kelven tied to any of the noble elf families? Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
Eric, first I would like to express a heartfelt thank you for all the work you do and the fact that you interact with the community. I am currently running an Age of Worms campaign, integrating it with Under Illefarn Anew and all the information it contains (great stuff BTW). I have taken the Land family and made them part of the Delimbiyr family (cousins of the current Delimbiyrs). However as I was researching the Delimbiyrs I came across a conflicting issue in Under Illefarm Anew. In the history of Daggerford it lists Kelven Delimbiyr as half moon elf, however, under Arayndar’s description Kelven is referred to as a half sun elf. Which is the accurate description? Also, do you have any further information on the Delimbiyr family? Ancestors that came after Kelven? Was Kelven tied to any of the noble elf families? Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
Good catch. The original N5 - Under Illefarn doesn't specify.
I think half-moon elf is more likely than half-gold elf, so I would go that route.
I would say that Kelven was a commoner, not of noble birth.
Eric i have a question for you on your work on the high forest. What elven kingdom did you put the elven family Toryvhallen in? and if you came up with anymore information on them? I found them in the adventure hellgate keep as a tomb to that family that had some secrets of high magic and was wondering if you came across it and what did you do with it in lore?
Just purchased The Uthgardt on DMGuild. You knocked it out of the park again! Great job, my dude!
Which leads me to a quick question: in Illefarn Anew Delfen Ondabarl has an apprentice named Jaeldar “Stagheart” Stoneblade. Is he kinda of an Easter egg or is he related to either the Stoneblades of Scathril and/or the Blue Bear/Ghost Tree tribe? Seems awful coincidental……
Essentially, Player Characters will need to perform a rather substantial favor for Corellon's children before they are granted the privilege? Much appreciated.
quote:Originally posted by ericlboyd Exactly. And "substantial" is probably on par with rescue a small kingdom of elves.
The question is who gets to decide, and what are their limits. Elaith Craulnober designated Danilo "elf-friend" on his own. Of course, he is the heir of a noble clan, in self-exile or not. And there may be limitation to the effect that he can only bestow this status on one human during his life, or something like that, at least on his own, without involving higher powers (royal/high priest special dispensation).
People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch
Just purchased The Uthgardt on DMGuild. You knocked it out of the park again! Great job, my dude!
Which leads me to a quick question: in Illefarn Anew Delfen Ondabarl has an apprentice named Jaeldar “Stagheart” Stoneblade. Is he kinda of an Easter egg or is he related to either the Stoneblades of Scathril and/or the Blue Bear/Ghost Tree tribe? Seems awful coincidental……
The implication is that he is descended from the Stoneblades of Scathril, or at least one of his ancestors claimed to be and kept the name. Either way, he might have pretensions, if the DM wishes him to do so.
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