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Lord Donnachie
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 18:57:15
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| CLANS=Scotland to alot of people reinforced by the Highlander. Simplistic but .... |
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Gaealiege
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 19:17:55
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Dwarves have been given fame through many historical documents as well as all sorts of fantasy based writing. Tolkien of course uses dwarves which is one of the most well known. There is also the dwarves used in the Gregas, an Asgardian epic poem. But the word dwarf is derived from the Anglo-Saxon word "dweorg" meaning "a person of small stature". Anglo-Saxons tyically had Scottish accents, hence the Scottish accent associated with "dweorgs" or dwarves. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 19:25:28
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Originally posted by Gaealiege
Dwarves have been given fame through many historical documents as well as all sorts of fantasy based writing. Tolkien of course uses dwarves which is one of the most well known. There is also the dwarves used in the Gregas, an Asgardian epic poem. But the word dwarf is derived from the Anglo-Saxon word "dweorg" meaning "a person of small stature". Anglo-Saxons tyically had Scottish accents, hence the Scottish accent associated with "dweorgs" or dwarves.
Thank you for that.
I always wondered where that came from. |
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Gaealiege
Acolyte
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2005 : 00:27:13
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You're most welcome Chosen of Bane. If anyone else has anymore questions about origins of words, language usage, accent, etc. I would be glad to respond to them. Language is a hobby of mine. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2005 : 02:29:17
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| Anglo-Saxons typically had Scottish accents? |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 20:26:22
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Originally posted by Faraer
Anglo-Saxons typically had Scottish accents?
  Well, where do you think the Scots got the Scottish accent?
I think players and movies giving dwarves a Scottish accent is, as Lord D surmised. Clans are a byproduct of the Scotsmen, and dwarves have clans (and cool, wild beards like Hamish from Braveheart!), so of course they speak like them.
Some of the ideas about dwarves come Norse mythology (some of which coincides with A-S words and myths) so I lend a bit of that in there, although I don't have a clue as to how that affects their speech. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 20:36:10
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| Beowulf, that was your cue. |
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Gaealiege
Acolyte
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 18:22:15
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| Tell me Faraer...what does an Anglo-Saxon accent sound like? |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 17:04:04
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| I don't know exactly; I've studied Anglo-Saxon, but there aren't many indigenous speakers. It was spoken in many dialects over a wide area. But somewhat like modern German, not like Irish or Scottish Gaelic. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Apr 2018 : 15:25:48
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Originally posted by Brother Ezra
The thing that I just can't seem to get past is the use of surnames like Battlehammer for a race that speaks its own language. Why would a native speaker of dwarven have a surname that has meaning in the common tongue? When I say 'Battlehammer' to a speaker of english, it has immediate meaning and is recognized as english words. Would a Russian or Nigerian or Laotian have "Toasteroven" as a surname?
Greetings! My name is Vladimir Pyotrevich Loungechair. Pleased to meet you!
You mean like Goodluck Jonathan and his wife Patience? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Apr 2018 : 16:11:21
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Originally posted by Icelander
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Originally posted by Brother Ezra
The thing that I just can't seem to get past is the use of surnames like Battlehammer for a race that speaks its own language. Why would a native speaker of dwarven have a surname that has meaning in the common tongue? When I say 'Battlehammer' to a speaker of english, it has immediate meaning and is recognized as english words. Would a Russian or Nigerian or Laotian have "Toasteroven" as a surname?
Greetings! My name is Vladimir Pyotrevich Loungechair. Pleased to meet you!
You mean like Goodluck Jonathan and his wife Patience?
Pathfinder had a good explanation for that... Words like Battlehammer or Elmshaft or other names that sound like Common are actually dwarven or elven words that humans adopted. |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2018 : 23:44:12
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| I recently played a dwarf from the Great Rift who spoke with a pseudo-Aussie accent because he was from a land down under.... |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2018 : 02:00:17
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Originally posted by TomCosta
I recently played a dwarf from the Great Rift who spoke with a pseudo-Aussie accent because he was from a land down under....
Brilliant! I approve
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1536 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2018 : 04:59:23
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Tolkien connected Khudzul to Semitic languages, so make of that what you will.
Also, Neverwinter Nights 2 averted the Scottish Dwarf trope. Only Khelgar has a distinct accent; his kinsmen don't. |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2018 : 22:44:23
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| Thank you George. He was one of my favorite characters. |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 05:49:34
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Originally posted by Brother Ezra
The thing that I just can't seem to get past is the use of surnames like Battlehammer for a race that speaks its own language. Why would a native speaker of dwarven have a surname that has meaning in the common tongue? When I say 'Battlehammer' to a speaker of english, it has immediate meaning and is recognized as english words. Would a Russian or Nigerian or Laotian have "Toasteroven" as a surname?
Greetings! My name is Vladimir Pyotrevich Loungechair. Pleased to meet you!
Hail and well met, Saer Vladimir Pyotrevich Loungechair! I am Baron Hiroshi Estigarribia von Rottenblade, lord of the Wood Elves. May I offer you tea?
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 05:55:48
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And on a related note….. why does everything think Gnomes speak like leprechauns?
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 07:49:32
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| I don't think 'Irish' is a gnome stereotype. At least, not one I've ever encountered. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 13:05:57
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| most everyone I've encountered speaking as gnomes always wants to make them speak in high pitched "mousy" tones. For myself, I was influenced by Flint Fireforge early in my youth, and thus nearly all my dwarves end up going Scottish. |
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