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Kentinal
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 Posted - 03 Feb 2005 : 15:58:49
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Oh and the 'grey invasion of the Southern Forests of the black' occurred in -11450 DR: The Sable Wars. This was AFTER Ilythiir had destroyed Syorpiir by fire in -11600 DR. It was this action of the Ilythiiri that prompted the moon and green elven attempted invasion of the dark elf realm of Ilythiir.
I was thinking more along this timeline.
" -23200 DR
1. Establishment of the first elvish settlements of Ilythiir (Present Day: Shaar & Forest of Amtar)
-22500 DR
1. Establishment of the elvish settlements of Orishaar (Present Day: Duskwood & the Shaar). [it should be noted that the greys were founders of Orishaar]
c. -20000 DR
1. Orishaar and the southern dark elf nation of Ilythiir begin skirmishes that continue on and off for the next seven millennia. [TSR9561] {The greys were trying to take from the dark?}"
Actually I do not know whom started these skirmishes, however we are told that Ilythiir was founded first in the Shaar, that greys started to move into the Shaar about 2,000 years later, depending on how good these dates are. These battles most likely where border issues, however there would not have been any border issues if the grey had set up location someplace else or never came at all.
As for Ilythiir using fire, I clearly conceed this. I have seen the argument put forward that such use was indicated because of tatics they were facing. That arguement went something like this.
The foes using tree forts had a tatical advantage that needed to be countered, that forests do regrow as a part of nature cycle and the forest would renew itself without the tree forts (and foes). Not sure if this is a good enough justification however wars often wrougt much distruction. The timeline does clearly indicate that the Ilythiir used fire first as a tactic of war, perhaps justified perhaps not. It clearly however was not startigically a wise thing to do, because it became a unifing cry of other elves against them. The deities they choose to follow in increasing numbers was not wise either.
What bothers me is the timeline presented appears to take a side, that it may not be that balanced
In the end perhaps we will discover that that Dark Disater was also a result of the Ilythiir, that rumors of the gold mages is not correct. I can actually see a posible reason this is posible. Elistraee worshippers were in much greater numbers in Miyeritar and Lolth and other darker deities could have wanted to reduce the more peaceful and good blacks, but in such a way to point the blame at the gold. It would not have been the first time the Ilythiir took action and pointed the blame at others. The assasians that were used to prevent the alliance of Syňrpiir, Thearnytaar, and Eiellűr into a single nation ( -17100) is part of the history.
In the end both the gold and the black as a whole were subjected to whom lead them. If either side had taken out the evil leaders the Crown Wars as such would not have occured. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Feb 2005 : 23:00:34
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Nice to see the elfblades made it in this time and that lore is included in their descriptions as well as details on how a player can end up wielding one when not using his/her moonblade.
The art for the blades was a nice surprise as well. Thanks WR for giving the heads up about this. Although you lose bonus points for y'all. 
Hey, in this portion of the US, everyone and their neighbor's kender says that word.  |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Feb 2005 : 23:34:28
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| Anyone else reckon the Magelord PrC screams Manshoon? |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 04:34:38
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| Hmmm, I wonder if we'll get some decent rules for generating Moonblades then. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 05:08:21
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Hmmm, I wonder if we'll get some decent rules for generating Moonblades then.
I reckon they should retool it using the ancestoral relic feat in the Book of Exalted deed the feat dovetails with Mooinblades quite well |
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 18:31:47
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I'm VERY excited about this product, more so than many FR products for a long time. I'm a big fan of both history and ruins (in and out of the Realms), so i'm beside myself with anticipation of this product, i'd like to hear what others have to say on this when they read it. If the quality is anything like that of Thomas M Reid's Shining South then i'll be extremely happy  |
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 18:58:21
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Anyone else reckon the Magelord PrC screams Manshoon?
I could see that. He's got the ruling thug mentality that defines the class.
From their role way back in the early Elminster books, the magelords always struck me as mostly magic-wielding "thug leaders." When they set their sights on you, they wanted you to suffer. Their offensive spells always seemed a bit more painful than if another wizard cast the same one. For that reason, I came up with the "wounding spell" metamagic feat for LEOF and it was going to be a prerequisite for being a magelord.
The magelord on Wizard's site is very close to what I wrote but the requirements and spells per level have changed.
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 20:52:49
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I reckon they should retool it using the ancestoral relic feat in the Book of Exalted deed the feat dovetails with Mooinblades quite well
That'd be cool, I thought of moonblades when I saw that feat. I'd really like them to redo the power system with an actual chart meant for moonblades. It always felt like an after thought in Races. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 21:57:46
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| How many levels higher is a wounding spell Ed? |
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 22:02:37
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Originally posted by Dargoth
How many levels higher is a wounding spell Ed?
When I last saw it, it was 2 levels higher.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 22:13:41
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Hmmm
Wounding Inflict spell and Wounding Defic Vengence spells 
(Im currently playing in a The Worlds largest Dungeon campaign and Im playing as a Cleric of Bane this feat would be perfect for him) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 00:29:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
we now have excerpts from this tome.
I noticed the following bit of information from the historical excerpt
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But before the required mourning period had passed, Eltargrim's heir, Aravae Irithyl, was murdered. The culprit was Illitrin Starym, who feared that Aravae's beloved would return and displace him as head of House Starym. Illitrin's treachery was never discovered.
Am I correct that this is the first time a person has been assigned responsibility for Aravae's murder in an FR product?
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 00:40:17
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Yes.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 02:01:55
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Honestly, I prefered it when it was left a mystery, just like I prefered it when we didn't know who "Fflar" was.
The picture of the Shrinshee is astonshing, but I could have sworn she was a gold elf (note I'm talking about the actual text, not necessarily the picture)??? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 02:54:27
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Honestly, I prefered it when it was left a mystery, just like I prefered it when we didn't know who "Fflar" was.
The picture of the Shrinshee is astonshing, but I could have sworn she was a gold elf (note I'm talking about the actual text, not necessarily the picture)???
Grin. George tells me they used her text from The Fall of Myth Drannor, which listed her as a moon elf even though she was listed as a gold elf in Cormanthyr. Steven, just a few hours ago, said that was his mess up, maybe, when he worked at TSR and he was going to, hopefully, give us more info tomorrow in his thread. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 03:29:01
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Originally posted by kuje31
Grin. George tells me they used her text from The Fall of Myth Drannor, which listed her as a moon elf even though she was listed as a gold elf in Cormanthyr. Steven, just a few hours ago, said that was his mess up, maybe, when he worked at TSR and he was going to, hopefully, give us more info tomorrow in his thread.
I certainly hope so. :) So that's where the slip-up came from... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 16:17:00
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Yes.
-- George Krashos
What products is Illitrin Starym mentioned in? I know he's in Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves which details how he ends up wielding a moonblade. However, was he in Ed's novel about Myth Drannor or The Fall of Myth Drannor tome? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2005 : 22:02:54
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Yes.
-- George Krashos
What products is Illitrin Starym mentioned in? I know he's in Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves which details how he ends up wielding a moonblade. However, was he in Ed's novel about Myth Drannor or The Fall of Myth Drannor tome?
A Illitran Starym is mentioned in Volos guide to all things magical as the first claiment of the Evil Starym Moonblade
Speaking of the Starym Moonblade is it detailed in LEOF? |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 04:23:49
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| Are there any moonblade stats or generation rules in LEOF? :) |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 06:06:03
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Nope.
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
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Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 13:27:15
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Originally posted by Dargoth
How many levels higher is a wounding spell Ed?
Two. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Feb 2005 : 05:17:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Behold! The Lost Empires of Faerűn art gallery!
Not that I care about the art, of course... But the link on the updates page was wrong, and this is the correct one.
I could be mean and say some us dont need a HTML link to view the LEOF art |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 10 Feb 2005 : 05:46:13
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I could be mean and say some us dont need a HTML link to view the LEOF art
 I'm browsing the images right now in another window. So far the art looks really good. The colors seem more vibrant to me than some past products. Plus, I see Jason Engle is one of the artists. I've really enjoyed some of his past work. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Feb 2005 : 11:15:47
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Behold! The Lost Empires of Faerűn art gallery!
Not that I care about the art, of course... But the link on the updates page was wrong, and this is the correct one.
I could be mean and say some us dont need a HTML link to view the LEOF art
Does someone else want to beat him down, or should I just sic a swarm of Miniature Giant Space Hamsters on him?   |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 10 Feb 2005 : 11:45:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Does someone else want to beat him down, or should I just sic a swarm of Miniature Giant Space Hamsters on him?
Fortunatley a copy of Lost Empires of Faerun provideds its owner with a +10 Enchantment bonus to AC a +6 bonus to Charisma when dealing with the opposite sex
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Feb 2005 : 15:57:32
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Originally posted by Dargoth I could be mean and say some us dont need a HTML link to view the LEOF art
Ahh, yes, I may just flick to a random page myself.... ;) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 04:12:35
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Does someone else want to beat him down, or should I just sic a swarm of Miniature Giant Space Hamsters on him?
Fortunatley a copy of Lost Empires of Faerun provideds its owner with a +10 Enchantment bonus to AC a +6 bonus to Charisma when dealing with the opposite sex
Taking this seriously for a moment, would a tome (in-game) that deals with the historical areas of the Realms confer any particular bonuses upon a PC should he/she have possession of it? I mean, besides the usual bonuses to Knowledge (History) for example...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 05:37:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
Taking this seriously for a moment, would a tome (in-game) that deals with the historical areas of the Realms confer any particular bonuses upon a PC should he/she have possession of it? I mean, besides the usual bonuses to Knowledge (History) for example...
I'd say that depends on a variety of factors... How detailed is the book, how known is the history of that region, and who knows what's in the book?
For example, to a Calimport crimelord, a book that details the early layout of the city could lead to long-lost riches, and whoever holds that book (assuming he can stay alive and keep the book) is going to command a lot of respect...
Or a book on early Cormyr that shows long-forgotten details of the family tree of one of the Silver families. That'd command a lot of attention from any Cormyrean nobles that knew of it... Some of the attention might even be good.
On the flip side, if you were in Hlondeth with a book detailing exactly how the yuan-ti took over, you'd not likely be around very long...
On another angle, a book that detailed the history of a city and how it grew could give insights to particular customs of that city. Having this info could make a foreigner blend in more readily, or be more accepted by the common people of that city.
At least, that's what I can come up with off the top of my head. |
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elven_songstress
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 20:38:13
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| Wow I need to equip myself with this book when going up against a dragon , that dragon charm might work good. *lol* |
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