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Loriel
Acolyte
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 Posted - 02 Dec 2004 : 08:43:48
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The list of tomes is easily obtainable, but does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of what TSR/WotC products they come from?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Dec 2004 : 11:15:30
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| I believe that the list was made up from scratch, but I'm not 100% sure. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 02 Dec 2004 11:16:56 |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 02 Dec 2004 : 15:00:26
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Originally posted by Loriel
The list of tomes is easily obtainable, but does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of what TSR/WotC products they come from?
If it's the list I think we're talking about, I made that one up (or at least started it back in 1995 or so for the Bioware guys who were then developing Baldur's Gate). They wanted a list of books on the shelves in Candlekeep so you could wander the stacks and see what titles there were on hand. Regrettably, that never came to light, even though I sent them the list.
The contents of the list are probably 70% Ed Greenwood, 25% Steven Schend, and 5% other authors; I confess I was the one who decided which original manuscripts went to Candlekeep or not.
As for what's referenced where, I am afraid I don't have that. Ed slips them in slyly in the quotes at the chapter starts of many of his books. He also name-dropped works into his gaming work (a habit I also picked up (and used a bit too much in LANDS OF INTRIGUE, methinks)) to provide fictional provenance and a sense of real world history to the Realms in many places. As to what's mentioned where, I shudder to think of how much work it'd take to track it down.
All things considered, doing so will rarely provide you with more details or info on the books in question. As most often the titles were one-offs just dropped in for flavor and little more.
Then again, some of us could easily brainstorm or bounce around more natter about the books, their authors, et al, if we find the time....
Steven
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Dec 2004 : 15:12:32
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
All things considered, doing so will rarely provide you with more details or info on the books in question. As most often the titles were one-offs just dropped in for flavor and little more.
Then again, some of us could easily brainstorm or bounce around more natter about the books, their authors, et al, if we find the time....
Steven
Who still regrettably knows only as much as y'all about Alaundo, despite bugging Ed about him over the years...
Most of the books that are described in game products are magical tomes of some sort or another. Though I do believe a few non-magical books have been described, those were very few and far between.
It's occurred to me a couple of times that perhaps we scribes should one day take on the task of expanding that original list. It would be purely for flavor, but then again, when has a little more flavor ever hurt?  |
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Loriel
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 02 Dec 2004 : 23:18:11
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Well, I'm making a mod for Baldur's Gate and my goal was to actually put every one of those books into the shelves of Candlekeep. I know it's a bit of work, but I'm a bit masochistic...heh
The link from WotC says something about it being a compilation of every book ever mentioned in one of the FR products.
Scratch that, I just read it again and it says that the books have all been at least mentioned in a FR product. In other words, there may be more, but the ones on the list have at least been mentioned.
So the question becomes, is there a public domain source for the text in the books (especially the ones that were mentioned, but not fleshed out)? I have most of the Bioware FR games already, but even in BG2 there's only about 90-100 books. It would be cool to "finish" the books on the list and put them on the shelves. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 03 Dec 2004 : 16:40:15
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Originally posted by Loriel
Well, I'm making a mod for Baldur's Gate and my goal was to actually put every one of those books into the shelves of Candlekeep. I know it's a bit of work, but I'm a bit masochistic...heh
The link from WotC says something about it being a compilation of every book ever mentioned in one of the FR products.
Scratch that, I just read it again and it says that the books have all been at least mentioned in a FR product. In other words, there may be more, but the ones on the list have at least been mentioned.
So the question becomes, is there a public domain source for the text in the books (especially the ones that were mentioned, but not fleshed out)? I have most of the Bioware FR games already, but even in BG2 there's only about 90-100 books. It would be cool to "finish" the books on the list and put them on the shelves.
Aside from the quotes where the titles came from in Ed's books, most of them have NO other text. Thus, there's no public domain source on them. Even if more existed, it would by its very nature be property of Wizards of the Coast. Sorry.
I kept adding to that list any time we'd note another text in print or if one just popped into my head for fun. As I left WotC in 2000, I don't know if/when the list has been updated since then.
An aside to Wooly--While some of the tomes have been magical in nature, the bulk of those listed and/or the majority of the Candlekeep collection is nonmagical, even if a book's topic is magic. Think of it as a research library first and foremost; if you want more magical tomes and/or information on magic, you're better off consulting the libraries up in Silverymoon or an archmage's personal collection (if you can find the hidden way into Khelben's private library).
Here's a few more titles of books discussed among myself, Ed, and Eric, for reasons that must remain NDA for a while....
Blades Immemmoria, by Marcus of Torm (c. 1289DR; legendarium on magical blades of the North)
A Discourse on the Lost Realms of Faerun, by Lagus Tanador of Westgate (c1057 DR)
A Courtier's Life, by Dostios of Stornanter (c777 DR)
Musings on Things Netherese, by Saravlan of Merrydale (c989 DR)
Learning on One Life's Journey, by Brother Accam of Candlekeep (c1153 DR)
Of Legacies Lost and Found, by Kamor of the Sundered Shield (c212 DR)
The Consortium Codex, by Yrthus of Anauria (c. -88 DR)
Weaponry of Some Repute, by Ruul of Kzelter (c1270 DR; catalog and legendarium of magical weapons and their alleged locations)
Hope those look nicely on your shelves.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Dec 2004 : 17:41:50
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
An aside to Wooly--While some of the tomes have been magical in nature, the bulk of those listed and/or the majority of the Candlekeep collection is nonmagical, even if a book's topic is magic. Think of it as a research library first and foremost; if you want more magical tomes and/or information on magic, you're better off consulting the libraries up in Silverymoon or an archmage's personal collection (if you can find the hidden way into Khelben's private library).
That's what I was saying -- the books that are mentioned in the gaming supplements are most often magical tomes. The books y'all mentioned in The Candlekeep Collection are not. Perhaps I should have been more clear.
I quite liked that original list, and I still have it -- 'twas one of the first times I took something interesting from online and saved it as a Word document. |
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