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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 26 Dec 2004 : 05:05:45
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Originally posted by Seismo
Maybe we need a 'most useful 2nd Ed FR accessory' poll?
I'd do it, but I wouldn't know many to put in.
Other than FR Adventures, of course.
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That's not a bad idea, actually.
Anyone want to attempt it? I haven't the time to accurately find every single title for every single FR 2e tome published...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2004 : 06:38:03
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Well, for me, the most useful thing from 2E would prolly be Volo's Guide to Waterdeep. As I've said elsewhere, that single tome made Waterdeep come alive for me, more than any of the other Waterdeep products have.
I actually really liked the entire Volo's Guide run, especially Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work  ). I should love to see them resume publishing those. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Dec 2004 : 07:41:05
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Originally posted by Seismo
Maybe we need a 'most useful 2nd Ed FR accessory' poll?
I'd do it, but I wouldn't know many to put in.
Other than FR Adventures, of course.
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The number of entries would become problematic. A 2nd edition poll could cover an entire page just listing the various choices for a scribe to choose from. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2004 : 16:11:12
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by Seismo
Maybe we need a 'most useful 2nd Ed FR accessory' poll?
I'd do it, but I wouldn't know many to put in.
Other than FR Adventures, of course.
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The number of entries would become problematic. A 2nd edition poll could cover an entire page just listing the various choices for a scribe to choose from.
That's true... There were regional sourcebooks, boxed sets, the Volo's Guides... And then the miscellaneous stuff like the trail maps, or Aurora's Whole Realms Catalog (another great resource)... |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Dec 2004 : 19:46:58
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3e/3.5e: Races of Faerun - enough Relamswide information to give depth to characters (both PC's and NPC's) as well as providing interesting lore.
2e: Lands of Intrigue / Empires of the Shining Sea - both works combined as they are so strongly linked. A wealth of detail on all levels from hookks for 'simple' adventures to plotlines for complicated webs of intrigue to be woven into a campaign. |
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Schala
Acolyte
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Posted - 31 Dec 2004 : 20:20:56
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| I liked Faiths and Pantheons the best. Many campaigns that I play involve deities/religion and I usually play a cleric of Cyric, so the book definitely got some use. I also just like reading it and looking at the beautiful pictures sometimes. An incredibly enjoyable book, whether you use it for play or just to read. I can't find Faiths and Avatars anywhere except ebay, but I've read that its a really good book. Perhaps I should look into purchasing it? |
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~Death to all who oppose Cyric. Bow down before his supreme power, and yield to him the blood of those that do not believe in his supremacy. Fear and obey those in authority, but slay those that are weak, of good persuasion, or false prophets. Bring death to those that oppose Cyric's church or make peace, order, and laws, for only Cyric is the true authority.~ |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 31 Dec 2004 : 22:05:24
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Don't "look into purchasing it". Buy it. Yesterday. It is a superior FR product to Faiths and Pantheons by a very wide margin.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2004 : 22:20:46
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Don't "look into purchasing it". Buy it. Yesterday. It is a superior FR product to Faiths and Pantheons by a very wide margin.
-- George Krashos
Krash is correct. The three deity books (Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities) are among the best Realms products out there. Faiths & Pantheons is but a poor shadow of those books. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Dec 2004 : 22:55:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Krash is correct. The three deity books (Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities) are among the best Realms products out there. Faiths & Pantheons is but a poor shadow of those books.
Let me add my voice to those who prefer the 3 2nd edition deity books compared to F&P. To me if you wish lore about the various faiths throughout Faerun, (Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities) are by far more attractive than any 3e alternatives. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 14:10:46
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Krash is correct. The three deity books (Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities) are among the best Realms products out there. Faiths & Pantheons is but a poor shadow of those books.
Let me add my voice to those who prefer the 3 2nd edition deity books compared to F&P. To me if you wish lore about the various faiths throughout Faerun, (Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities) are by far more attractive than any 3e alternatives.
I'll add my humble voice to this growing chorus as well. The "Deity Trio" tomes that Sirius just mentioned are by far, the superior source of information for all things relating to deities, powers, and faiths in the Realms.
Of course, if you're interesting in going that little extra in knowing about such topics, I would also suggest that you consider picking up the 2e Monster Mythology tome. It's not strictly part of the FR-brand, but most of the monstrous creature pantheons presented within are based mostly on the Realms along with several other worlds.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 15:45:17
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'll add my humble voice to this growing chorus as well. The "Deity Trio" tomes that Sirius just mentioned are by far, the superior source of information for all things relating to deities, powers, and faiths in the Realms.
I'll toss out a further fact about this trio of books... When role-playing, I've always had an aversion to playing a single-class cleric. The only times I'd been willing to try playing a cleric, it was a dwarven fighter-cleric (with more emphasis on the fighter than the cleric).
But after getting the trio, I was, for the first time, willing and eager to play a single-class cleric. I played a Morninglord whose personality was based loosely on that of Major Charles Emerson Winchester from M*A*S*H. I had fun with him, but unfortunately, that campaign died after just a few sessions.  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 16:51:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I played a Morninglord whose personality was based loosely on that of Major Charles Emerson Winchester from M*A*S*H. I had fun with him, but unfortunately, that campaign died after just a few sessions.
Oh that is utterly priceless. A fan of the show I take it? How did the other characters take to you roleplaying him?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 17:21:30
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I played a Morninglord whose personality was based loosely on that of Major Charles Emerson Winchester from M*A*S*H. I had fun with him, but unfortunately, that campaign died after just a few sessions.
Oh that is utterly priceless. A fan of the show I take it? How did the other characters take to you roleplaying him?
"Try, try not to be absurd." Major Winchester
I'm not a huge fan of the show, but I have seen many, many episodes.
And of course, my character occasionally got on the nerves of the other characters.  |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 14:24:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I still want new Volo's Guides.
You can say that again.
Of all the books that I gather to get ready for DnD night Silver Marches in always on the top. Had to pick that one. |
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Lord Desolation
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2005 : 17:11:18
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2005 : 18:29:48
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In the 3/3.5 edition, Races of Faerun, for all the good stuff for players and Dms.
In the 2nd Edition tomes, I really like the Playerīs Guide to Forgotten Realms. I very nice book to introduce Faerûn, with all feel and mood, for new players.
And I follow the voices of SB, Krashos, The Sage and Wooly. The Power Trio Godbooks are greatly superior that Faiths and Avatars (for me this book is just a resume of the 3 old ones) |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2005 : 22:20:10
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I *knew* this was the place for me. Major Winchester has always been my favorite of the MASH characters, and playing a cleric based on him is a fantastic idea. Pavel move over! 
I picked Players Guide to Faerun, mostly based on future mileage, although it is very difficult to pick a favorite. Magic of Faerun is currently the most useful book of the lot, but this will change as soon as we switch to 3.5.
Lord of Darkness is another very dear favorite. Cool villains, ready-to-use villains and sites always win in my book. FRCS and LOD are the two books that finally won me over to FR.
I like the 3.x region books, especially Silver Marches and Unapproachable East. Sadly I have not been able to use any of them all that much, but my ever-growing collection of Dungeon adventures I'd like to run simply scream Silver Marches, so this may change soon. Underdark is not my cup of tea, but the the book is solid.
Lands of Intrigue and Forgotten Realms Adventures are my favorite 2e books, although I missed out on most of 2e FR.
Waterdeep and North and the Savage Frontier are my favorite 1e books. Both inspired me very much, I enjoyed reading them, and mined lots of ideas from them.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2005 : 22:53:41
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Originally posted by Snotlord
I *knew* this was the place for me. Major Winchester has always been my favorite of the MASH characters, and playing a cleric based on him is a fantastic idea. Pavel move over!
It seemed like an ideal choice to me, as well. |
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Kiralari
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 02:47:08
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| Well, back on the subject of most useful book, I'd have to throw my lot with....Races, but Faiths and Pantheons came in close second. All of my blasted gamers seem to big on religion for some reason. Always scurrying to look up this untraveable fact or this rumor...Aya! They can drive a DM insane. Anyway, the 2E stuff was very helpful with that seeing as they had sooo much more info on the deities. And, how exactly does MASH tie into this again? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 05:46:11
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Originally posted by Kiralari
Well, back on the subject of most useful book, I'd have to throw my lot with....Races, but Faiths and Pantheons came in close second. All of my blasted gamers seem to big on religion for some reason. Always scurrying to look up this untraveable fact or this rumor...Aya! They can drive a DM insane. Anyway, the 2E stuff was very helpful with that seeing as they had sooo much more info on the deities. And, how exactly does MASH tie into this again?
On the MASH thing: See, I've got this weird aversion to clerics. I just don't get them (and druids even moreso). Playing a single-class cleric wasn't something I wanted to do. But then I got Faiths & Avatars, and I wanted to play a Morninglord. Looking around for inspiration, I started thinking of TV characters. And for some unknown reason (I don't pretend to understand the inner workings of my noggin), I thought of Major Charles Emerson Winchester III. That concept seemed perfect.
Really, I think that there have been some really interesting characters on TV, and any number of them would be an interesting basis for a character concept. My all-time fave TV character would offer some incredible potential as a character concept for D&D... B5 fans, can you imagine playing a character based on G'Kar? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 05:59:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Really, I think that there have been some really interesting characters on TV, and any number of them would be an interesting basis for a character concept. My all-time fave TV character would offer some incredible potential as a character concept for D&D... B5 fans, can you imagine playing a character based on G'Kar?
G'Kar no, Garibaldi and Ivanova yes. And an NPC based on Londo? Definately. I already use the accent from time to time.
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 09:40:30
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Rudar Dimble
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 11:02:42
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Both Magic of Faerun and Faiths & Pantheons are very useful. Magic of Faerun has some great spells for PrC's, while F&P is about one of the most important aspects of D&D, deities!
Because I use F&P a bit more often than MoF, I voted for that one. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 14:27:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
My all-time fave TV character would offer some incredible potential as a character concept for D&D... B5 fans, can you imagine playing a character based on G'Kar?
G'Kar is your favorite television character? Interesting. I've always found him to be an significantly fascinating character, especially after he embraced the writings of G'Quan and become "the voice of the universe".
The hard part is assigning him a character class. He has, at times, been a warrior, a poet, a priest, a healer, a seer, a ambassador, and a citizen. At the very least, we're looking at a multi-class character if we want to properly represent him in D&D stats.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 17:48:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
My all-time fave TV character would offer some incredible potential as a character concept for D&D... B5 fans, can you imagine playing a character based on G'Kar?
G'Kar is your favorite television character? Interesting. I've always found him to be an significantly fascinating character, especially after he embraced the writings of G'Quan and become "the voice of the universe".
"Please do not thump the Book of G'Quan. It is disrespectful."
Yeah, he's a very fascinating character, because of the way he grew through his experiences. I also liked that he turned to writing, and I love the thing he wrote up for the Interstellar Alliance (I have the text of that on my machine at home).
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[quote]Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The hard part is assigning him a character class. He has, at times, been a warrior, a poet, a priest, a healer, a seer, a ambassador, and a citizen. At the very least, we're looking at a multi-class character if we want to properly represent him in D&D stats.
It would be hard to do, definitely, because of the many things that happened to him to make him grow the way he did. I don't know that I'd even try to represent all that, as much as I would just use his personality concept.
But perhaps we should gravitate back to the topic... I've been pushing my luck with Big Al in the duck thread, so let's not give him further reason to smite me! |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 18:02:41
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The hard part is assigning him a character class. He has, at times, been a warrior, a poet, a priest, a healer, a seer, a ambassador, and a citizen.
I'm not familiar with B5, but that sounds alot like a Bard to me. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 18:06:11
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In my Cormyr/Dalelands campaign, one player create a shadovar fighter/necromancer called Morden Kainen... Beyond the obvious jokes with his name and some spells, everytime that he was dealing with an employer, I emulate Londoīs accent, and said to him: "we donīt need more the help of your associates, Mr. Morden..."
Itīs a pity that only I understand that joke
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 19:23:54
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The hard part is assigning him a character class. He has, at times, been a warrior, a poet, a priest, a healer, a seer, a ambassador, and a citizen.
I'm not familiar with B5, but that sounds alot like a Bard to me.
Actually, he's a Narn Diplomat 2/Officer 3/Soldier 4.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 23:54:05
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Itīs a pity that only I understand that joke
Not in here! It appears that several of us get that one. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Apr 2005 : 02:00:53
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I also liked that he turned to writing, and I love the thing he wrote up for the Interstellar Alliance (I have the text of that on my machine at home).
That was probably were I began to enjoy his character the most. After the "angry" periods of his earlier years.
And I've got the "Declaration of Principles" printed and framed. It occupies a small space of my wall next to the B5 galaxy map. I did have some of the other versions he'd written previously before reaching the final write-up, but there only jotted down in a notebook somewhere.
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Itīs a pity that only I understand that joke
The Hamster's right. Not in here...
I'm curious though... Did these shadovar came from another place? Another world perhaps?
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Actually, he's a Narn Diplomat 2/Officer 3/Soldier 4.
Yes, but those stats are from the B5 RPG book. Those classes would need to be adapted to the Realms, or an equivalent found, for the conversion to be successful.
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