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Shayan
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2004 : 12:45:10
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I've just recently read R.A Salvatore's Dark Elf trilogy, and in that as you may know the Drow magical items 'misbehave' when exposed to sunlight (understandable). Like Drizzt's cloak withers, etc.
But it is also says that Drow wizards can't control their spells in the surface world-even in darkness, I believe. Their spells behave similar to spells of surfacers during ToT. Why?
EDIT: Bad grammar 
As far as I saw the book doesn't give an explanation as to why (forgive me if indeed it does) 
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 06:46:56
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I believe the idea was that drow magic was unique to the Underdark because of the magical radiations (note! "radiation" doesn't not always mean nuclear! stop wincing at the word's use here!) that power it.
This has a few holes to it, of course, the biggest being that surface magic works just fine in the Underdark. I think they needed an excuse for why the drow didn't invade more often, though. I could very well be wrong. |
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Shayan
Acolyte
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Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 07:39:21
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Oh noez radiation!!
I concocted a rather unlikely theory that the Drow were using the Shadow Weave (and that Shadow Weave goes bonkers in sunlight) as the source of their spells, but yours seem more plausible though. 
Perhaps the Drow just have uncontrollable motor neurons that make them panic in the Surface.... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 08:58:54
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My personal theory is that when the drow were fleeing underground, Lolth reached out and gave the race a tweak. This tweak made them more suited to a life in the Underdark. Part of it was to link their magic not to living things, but to faerzress.
So in this case, their magic was going awry because they were drawing not directly from the Weave, but thru the faerzress. And some property of this stuff doesn't like sunlight, so their spells didn't act as they should have. |
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Shayan
Acolyte
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Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 12:17:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
My personal theory is that when the drow were fleeing underground, Lolth reached out and gave the race a tweak. This tweak made them more suited to a life in the Underdark. Part of it was to link their magic not to living things, but to faerzress.
So in this case, their magic was going awry because they were drawing not directly from the Weave, but thru the faerzress. And some property of this stuff doesn't like sunlight, so their spells didn't act as they should have.
Having no idea what a "faerzress" was I Yahoo!ed (as opposed to 'Googled') it and came up with a few sites that suggest the same Rupert. One of them being: http://lana.keenspace.com/drowoverview.html
Looks like another reasonable hypothesis... |
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Sourcemaster2
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Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 22:42:17
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| The events of the Starlight and Shadows trilogy shed some light on this topic. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 23:02:40
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| Hmm... but why doesn't the same problems occur with House Jaelre or Auzkovyn, who both are on the surface in Cormanthor? Also, in WotSQ series, the protagonists don't seem to have a problem using their magic against enemies. |
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Sourcemaster2
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Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 23:35:22
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Hmm... but why doesn't the same problems occur with House Jaelre or Auzkovyn, who both are on the surface in Cormanthor? Also, in WotSQ series, the protagonists don't seem to have a problem using their magic against enemies.
Again, see Starlight and Shadows. |
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Nephilim
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Posted - 12 Nov 2004 : 18:51:30
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Again, see Starlight and Shadows.
I haven't yet had time to read all the FR novels but this one is on the list. In the meantime, can you summarise please Sourcemaster2?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Nov 2004 : 20:46:56
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
Again, see Starlight and Shadows.
I haven't yet had time to read all the FR novels but this one is on the list. In the meantime, can you summarise please Sourcemaster2?
Thanks.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 12 Nov 2004 : 22:48:03
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A brief summary: Liriel goes to Rashemen, and does some stuff. The end.
The WR cliff notes for the novels. |
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Lina
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Posted - 13 Nov 2004 : 09:10:57
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Well since I haven't read Dark Elf triology in a long time I'll just go with my basic understanding of it all (note may not all be right). The Starlight and Shadows series do help shed some light on the questions you've asked.
My perceptions from what I can remember is:
1) Drow mages had no problems with their magic above or underground but mages who lived in the underdark for centuries have adapted to living underground and have no contact at all with sunlight. So when these mages go above ground they are unable to adapt to the brightness of the world above ground (as do all drow in similar conditions). So their morale fails them and they panic. Thus being unable to concentrate on spellcasting they cannot cast spells properly (so do mages of any other race who cannot concentrate on their spellcasting).
2) Magic of priests/priestesses are granted to them by their god/goddess. Lolth has no reach to any drow above ground so a priestess of Lolth would find that she would be unable to renew her spells if she were not in the underdark (unless the priestess had the windwalker amulet then it would be another story).
3) Magical items are imbued with certain spells. Why they disintergrate when in contact with sunlight... we can only make assumptions. Maybe Rad's radiation theory might hold. My theory... well I'm grasping at straws here... if the priestesses of Lolth blessed the magical items then above ground where Lolth holds no sway over anyone, the magic would dissipate. A god's strength is determined by the location of worshippers and the number of their followers. With the items being out of Lolth's reach they would loose all magical property. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 07:35:10
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Clearly they were 1st/2nd Edition Drow (at least first printing, not sure if rerease updated to 3.x)
Drow had these capcities and limitations.
"Dark elves do have one great weakness+bright light. Because the drow have lived so long in the earth, rarely venturing to the surface, they are no longer able to tolerate bright light of any kind. Drow within the radius of a light or continual light spell are 90% likely to be seen. In addition, they lose 2 points from their Dexterity and attack with a -2 penalty inside the area of these spells. Characters subject to spells cast by drow affected by a light or continual light spell add a +2 bonus to their saving throws. If drow are attacking a target that is in the area of effect of a light or continual light spell, they suffer an additional -1 penalty to their attack rolls, and targets of drow magical attacks save at an additional+1. These penalties are cumulative (i.e., if both the drow and their targets are in the area of effect of a light spell, the drow suffer a -3 penalty to their attack rolls and the targets gain a +3).
Because of the serious negative effects of strong light on the drow, they are 75% likely to leave an area of bright light, unless they are in battle. Light sources like torches, lanterns, magical weapons, or faerie fire spells, do not affect drow."
This while not precenting casting on the surface, made it much harder.
As to weapons and armor we have "This alloy has special properties due to the peculiar nature of the radiation emanating from the drow homeland, giving even the basest form of the alloy the equivalent of a magical +1. Drow weapons, shields, armor, etc., all begin with a +1 bonus, and based on the alloy, the amount of time spent in the forge, and the secret processes used, it can increase to as much as +5. The alloy does not radiate magic in the traditional way (a detect magic spell reveals no trace of magical properties).
Whenever drow-alloyed creations, including armor, are exposed to direct sunlight, their magical bonuses are immediately lost and they begin to utterly and irreversibly decay. This happens even after one short exposure, meaning that even a set of drow armor that is immediately returned to utter darkness or the nearest drow homeland will still decay. Physical decay begins 1d12+8 days after exposure to sunlight. The armor completely falls apart after another 1d12 days have passed."
Thus there is no Priest spell casting indicated, or for that matter Wizard spells. They do not detect magical. The shadow weave combined with the radiation enhanced material might make it fit together as an explaination. Drow however are still not fully understood or revealed. What caused them to be Magical Resistent. Some lore does hold that Corellon Larethian to end the 4th Crown war transformed the dark skin elves into the Drow. This does not make sense if he acted alone. He might have given them the inability to be in bright light, but he certainly would not give them Magical Resistance. Thus another force must have been in play, perhaps the radiation of the underdark. In 2nd Drow that lived on the surface for long period of times did lose their MR (or at least the good ones did) so perhaps the resistance was from particle radiation. If one ever lived in a mining town one would understand that the ore mined often contaiminated every thing at least in traces. This ability was never fully explained but it does look like intent was environment (3.x however does not follow the radiation theory [SR and weapons are not effected by daylight], though retains the bright light handicap [though not as much of a hidicap and a feat can be taken to remove it]).
As to the surface, we do have this "In the Lands of Light,
Lolth has long found that the deeply imbued racial antipathy of the
surface elves toward the Spider Queen interferes with her attempts to
seduce otherwise eminently corruptible individuals. With the death of
Moander, always a more comprehensible (and tempting) force of evil to
the nature-loving surface elves than the Spider Queen, Lolth has
assumed the Darkbringer's aspect and portfolio of rotting death, decay,
and corruption and revived its cult in a bid to add elven, half-elven,
and human worshipers to the ranks of her faithful." So at least core rues did not stop here at the surface at one point in timr, however this might have been after the books were written or the game time line. There is also this "The Spider Queen secretly
wants to be worshiped by humans and elves of other races on the surface
Realms, and sometimes journeys among their communities, whispering of
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warlockco
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 02:28:13
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Originally posted by Shayan
I've just recently read R.A Salvatore's Dark Elf trilogy, and in that as you may know the Drow magical items 'misbehave' when exposed to sunlight (understandable). Like Drizzt's cloak withers, etc.
But it is also says that Drow wizards can't control their spells in the surface world-even in darkness, I believe. Their spells behave similar to spells of surfacers during ToT. Why?
EDIT: Bad grammar
As far as I saw the book doesn't give an explanation as to why (forgive me if indeed it does)
No explaination was given because one wasn't found. However, if you read between the lines, this is what most likely happened.
Drow Wizard is with a raiding party to the surface, finds opportunity to Fireball x member(s) of the raiding party, blames the strangeness of the surface world for why the spell went off incorrectly.
And since then, with the exception of the attack on Mithral Hall, Drow Wizards from Menzoberranzan were forbidden to go on Surface Raids. |
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DDH_101
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 02:34:31
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warlockco
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Kentinal
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 02:58:57
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Originally posted by DDH_101
I always thought that when Corellon Larathian's priests casted that spell that turned all dark elves into drow, it changed their usage of magic too. After all, they were doing quite well in the Crown Wars before that and then all of a sudden the drow all retreated to the Underdark.
Well light blindness certainly made it much harder to cast spells on the surface (in prior editions) which could explain the myth of magic not working on the surface. Perhaps mages did not want to be on surface in bright light and petended to cast a spell that did not work.
I have not found any limitation of spell casting in any lore that prevented casting on the surface in any Edition. There certainly can be lore I am unaware of and certainly if one was in a no magic zone or other circumstanses that could have prevented surface casting by the evil Drow (or even the good ones). |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 03:09:27
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Okay, here's my theory on drow:
When they were running underground (or shortly thereafter), Lolth reached out and gave the race a bit of a tweak. This tweak made them more suited to living in the Underdark. Among other things, it sort of attuned the drow to the Underdark radiations emitted by faerzress.
A lot of drow magic is based around faerzress. Why not their spells, as well? Tha way, if they're used to casting spells that either draw upon faerzress or are modified to work in the vicinity of it, when they get away from it, the magic goes awry. We do know that faerzress has at least some effect on the Weave, so this could be the case... |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 03:32:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, here's my theory on drow:
When they were running underground (or shortly thereafter), Lolth reached out and gave the race a bit of a tweak. This tweak made them more suited to living in the Underdark. Among other things, it sort of attuned the drow to the Underdark radiations emitted by faerzress.
Well she did have control of elven destiny, might have retained a bit of that before being cast down to be a minor demon.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
A lot of drow magic is based around faerzress. Why not their spells, as well? Tha way, if they're used to casting spells that either draw upon faerzress or are modified to work in the vicinity of it, when they get away from it, the magic goes awry. We do know that faerzress has at least some effect on the Weave, so this could be the case...
Well one can argue the fine points, in general faerzress items did not detect as magic, Drow +5 armor, Drow +5 weapons and the spider silk cloaks. The spell effects certainly are and were detectable as magic so indeed was/is part of the Weave. One might offer Shadow Weave as an explanation, however in some ways Shadow Weave is more powerful then the Weave itself is and works on the surface (though sometimes hard to detect).
Of course the Goddess of magic might have decided to give the Drow a vacation for a time as well. So many questions that can be spun and sometimes there are two or more correct answers as to how things occured (why things sometimes work and sometimes does not work). |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 06:13:08
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Well one can argue the fine points, in general faerzress items did not detect as magic, Drow +5 armor, Drow +5 weapons and the spider silk cloaks. The spell effects certainly are and were detectable as magic so indeed was/is part of the Weave. One might offer Shadow Weave as an explanation, however in some ways Shadow Weave is more powerful then the Weave itself is and works on the surface (though sometimes hard to detect).
Of course the Goddess of magic might have decided to give the Drow a vacation for a time as well. So many questions that can be spun and sometimes there are two or more correct answers as to how things occured (why things sometimes work and sometimes does not work).
I think you're missing part of my point... Faerzress has an effect on magic in the Underdark. It may not detect as magic, but it does affect it, and it in some ways acts like magic... So, either the drow learned to cast their spells a different way, to counteract the skewiness caused by faerzress (like, if you're throwing a ball while the wind is blowing, you throw a bit to the side of your target and let the wind bring it back to the target), or they were actually drawing from the Weave, but filtering it thru the faerzress (the same way clerical magic is part of the Weave, but clerics are granted the magic by their deity). Either way, when the faerzress is removed from the equation, then drow magic goes kaput in strange and exciting ways. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 15:03:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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I think you're missing part of my point... Faerzress has an effect on magic in the Underdark. It may not detect as magic, but it does affect it, and it in some ways acts like magic... So, either the drow learned to cast their spells a different way, to counteract the skewiness caused by faerzress (like, if you're throwing a ball while the wind is blowing, you throw a bit to the side of your target and let the wind bring it back to the target), or they were actually drawing from the Weave, but filtering it thru the faerzress (the same way clerical magic is part of the Weave, but clerics are granted the magic by their deity). Either way, when the faerzress is removed from the equation, then drow magic goes kaput in strange and exciting ways.
I am not missing your point as much as you might think. In 2nd Edition going to surface Drow would, if spending too much time up there, lose their MR because of being away from the radiation. Also the radiation might be responsible for the higher breeding rate. Third however has minimised the radiation, Drow do not lose SR for being on the surface.
As to magic cast though the faerzress it certainly is a view that can explain casting magic is different for Drow, but how about the Drawf spell caster? They are in the same underdark and must at times work with the same ores. Drawves are less involved with magic and choose not to make weapons that were dependent on the radiation that must be around them.
Thus it appears to me that the Drow studied the radiation and by consiouse decsion choose to use it for their craft work. That they know the difference between the radiation and the Weave. Also one should keep in mind the followers of Vhaeraun "PORTFOLIO: Thievery, drow males, territory, evil activity on the surface world" of which many do not have the radiation about them and many do. There is no difference between underdark spell casting and surface casting indicated in any source material that I am aware of.
So this is way I can not agree that the radiation is the reason that Lolthian spell casters have had problems casting on the surface. There must be another reason as to why the magic failed to work as expected some of the time while on the surface.
The 2nd Edition light blindness certainly indicated why spell casting was harder, but the spells still could work, 3rd has removed that difficulty from those of the undedark.
So while I can see what you base your argument on and in some ways agree that radiation certainly a factor in some Drow activities there appears, to me, that there are other factors that come into play. Things not yet revealed, perhaps not even yet known.
This though can lead to a spin off question. Elves are part of the Weave, when the Drow were transformed how much if any connection to the Weave did they retain? |
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 04:07:57
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Kentinal
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 04:21:21
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I'd like to point out that in general, dwarves don't go so deep as to encounter the radiations in any great abundance. The Underdark doesn't start right at one's feet -- you have to go down quite a ways to make the transfer from merely "underground" to entering the Underdark.
OK noted, however will counter note that deep Drawves also did not all have MR, the Derro had 30 percent and the Duergar had nil in 2nd edition. In 3rd neither have SR.
I certainly do grant that the underdark does not mean going into a cave, as for how deep before one encounters radiation I suspect that depends on the area. I do believe my point stands that radiation for deep Drawves is not the same as for Drow no matter how deep or shallow they might be. The ways of Toril are hard to understand. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 06:11:54
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I'd like to point out that in general, dwarves don't go so deep as to encounter the radiations in any great abundance. The Underdark doesn't start right at one's feet -- you have to go down quite a ways to make the transfer from merely "underground" to entering the Underdark.
OK noted, however will counter note that deep Drawves also did not all have MR, the Derro had 30 percent and the Duergar had nil in 2nd edition. In 3rd neither have SR.
I certainly do grant that the underdark does not mean going into a cave, as for how deep before one encounters radiation I suspect that depends on the area. I do believe my point stands that radiation for deep Drawves is not the same as for Drow no matter how deep or shallow they might be. The ways of Toril are hard to understand.
So then we go back to the divine tweak part of my argument. 
Also, the derro and duergar may live near the same radiation, but they don't take advantage of it the same way drow do. |
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DDH_101
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 06:35:24
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I'd like to point out that in general, dwarves don't go so deep as to encounter the radiations in any great abundance. The Underdark doesn't start right at one's feet -- you have to go down quite a ways to make the transfer from merely "underground" to entering the Underdark.
OK noted, however will counter note that deep Drawves also did not all have MR, the Derro had 30 percent and the Duergar had nil in 2nd edition. In 3rd neither have SR.
I certainly do grant that the underdark does not mean going into a cave, as for how deep before one encounters radiation I suspect that depends on the area. I do believe my point stands that radiation for deep Drawves is not the same as for Drow no matter how deep or shallow they might be. The ways of Toril are hard to understand.
But Kentinal, the Underdark is like seperated into like Upper Underdark and Lower Underdark. The Upper levels aren't as bad as the lower ones, in terms of faerzess or its denizens. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 14:09:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So then we go back to the divine tweak part of my argument.
Also, the derro and duergar may live near the same radiation, but they don't take advantage of it the same way drow do.
Well divine tweak might be there, however I do not believe Corellon Larethian provided it.
It certainly is clear that derro and duergar does not use the radiation in the same way, which still leads to Drow studing it and thus knowing the difference between the Weave and the radiation. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 14:22:49
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But Kentinal, the Underdark is like seperated into like Upper Underdark and Lower Underdark. The Upper levels aren't as bad as the lower ones, in terms of faerzess or its denizens.
And deep dwarves live in the Lower Underdark and the Drow live on all levels. Thus it does not explain why the Drow make effective use of the radiation. Also one should remember the Drow are the new kids on the block, many of the cities were taken from dwarves and other existing residents whom lived with the radiation longer. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 23:06:16
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So then we go back to the divine tweak part of my argument.
Also, the derro and duergar may live near the same radiation, but they don't take advantage of it the same way drow do.
Well divine tweak might be there, however I do not believe Corellon Larethian provided it.
Who said anything about Corellon? My theory is that it was Lolth who did the tweak. It makes sense -- they were her people, so tweaking them to enable them to thrive in a harsh environ would be a likely action.
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It certainly is clear that derro and duergar does not use the radiation in the same way, which still leads to Drow studing it and thus knowing the difference between the Weave and the radiation.
Sure, they know the difference... But still, if you're used to drawing from it or all your spells have been modified to operate normally around faerzress, then knowing the difference doesn't matter -- they were simply going with what they knew.
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Originally posted by Kentinal
And deep dwarves live in the Lower Underdark and the Drow live on all levels. Thus it does not explain why the Drow make effective use of the radiation. Also one should remember the Drow are the new kids on the block, many of the cities were taken from dwarves and other existing residents whom lived with the radiation longer.
But as you pointed out above, the drow make use of the radiation in ways other races don't. They have, by your own statement, studied it. So of course they'd know how to use it effectively... |
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DDH_101
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 02:27:22
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Originally posted by Kentinal
And deep dwarves live in the Lower Underdark and the Drow live on all levels. Thus it does not explain why the Drow make effective use of the radiation. Also one should remember the Drow are the new kids on the block, many of the cities were taken from dwarves and other existing residents whom lived with the radiation longer.
Most of TODAY's dwarves, with the exception of duegars, live on the upper levels. Even the dwarven kingdoms in the Great Rift, who all go deep underground for mining and territory, stations their soldiers at the top level.
We do not know about the dwarves of all those years ago, as they are all dead... |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 02:47:19
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So then we go back to the divine tweak part of my argument.
Also, the derro and duergar may live near the same radiation, but they don't take advantage of it the same way drow do.
Well divine tweak might be there, however I do not believe Corellon Larethian provided it.
Who said anything about Corellon? My theory is that it was Lolth who did the tweak. It makes sense -- they were her people, so tweaking them to enable them to thrive in a harsh environ would be a likely action.
Oh this is posible, Araushnee might have even done this before stripped of her divinity. As for Lolth I am uncertain when she manages to gain a minoe divine rank. 1st Edtion appears to still have her as a Demon after the desent. Which would make it rather hard for her to use divine powers. Of course newer material over write the older and Lolth increased in divine ranks from 2nd to 3rd. Perhaps she did have the power before the desent in the current history.
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It certainly is clear that derro and duergar does not use the radiation in the same way, which still leads to Drow studing it and thus knowing the difference between the Weave and the radiation.
Sure, they know the difference... But still, if you're used to drawing from it or all your spells have been modified to operate normally around faerzress, then knowing the difference doesn't matter -- they were simply going with what they knew.
However no souce material I know of indicate that Drow spells were in anyway effected by faerzress that effected their use of the Weave. To follow your theory the further away from the faerzress the less effective their spell casting would be. Lower underdark spells more effective then upper underdark spells does not appear to exist. Casting a spell from the middle of a faerzress mine does not appear to be more powerful either. Thus I go with the theory that Drow indeed studied the radiation for crafting purposes and did not include the radiation with their use of the Weave.
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Originally posted by Kentinal
And deep dwarves live in the Lower Underdark and the Drow live on all levels. Thus it does not explain why the Drow make effective use of the radiation. Also one should remember the Drow are the new kids on the block, many of the cities were taken from dwarves and other existing residents whom lived with the radiation longer.
But as you pointed out above, the drow make use of the radiation in ways other races don't. They have, by your own statement, studied it. So of course they'd know how to use it effectively...
Yup how to make items that disappear on the surface ;-) |
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Arion Elenim
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 20:22:41
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Yeah, folks...I'm siding with Warlock...
I don't believe there is anything wrong with drow magic on the surface. If there were, it would have to be due to some sort of plan of Mystra's, as drow wizards do indeed draw from her.
So, I believe that it is 100% a lie concocted to excuse that wizardly assassination... |
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