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sabre
Acolyte
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 Posted - 28 Oct 2004 : 12:24:40
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Do anyone know anything about Drow Mercenary organization,Bregan Daerthe?Especially what does Bregan Daerthe mean?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Oct 2004 : 16:27:32
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Bregan D'aerthe translates loosely as, "mercenary society of rogue drow".
It is one of the most well equipped and most respected drow organisations in Menzoberranzan. It is stated that the organisation is classed as "unlawful" even by the standards of the drow, which should be of particular note. Of interest also, is the assassin band's close links with House Baerne and that most of the unit's operations and involvement in many of the most prominent House disputes in recent Menzoberranzan history has been orchestrated by the organisation's charismatic leader, Jarlaxle.
The unit has over 150 members, most of which are young male drow. There's some speculation that many, if not most of these 150 males, are nobles of various fallen drow Houses in the City of Spiders.
They are mostly trained as fighters, and sometimes also as rogues. However, the Art does have it's place within the organisation, in the hands of several masterful drow wizards.
It's also said that Bregan D'aerthe operate completely inside the City of Spiders, and only venture into the outer reaches, or even beyond, with the unspoken consent of the First Matron Mother of the First Noble House.
For more details, I suggest you consult the various 2e FR tomes that deal with the drow, as well as many of RAS novels that deal with Drizzt and the Companions of the Hall... most of which have had their fair share of dealing with the mercenary band.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 28 Oct 2004 : 20:37:12
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| Sage, after the events of Servant of the Shard, Jarlaxle isn't the only leader of Bregan D'Arthe. Kimmuriel Oblodran, the psionicist, is now the co-leader of the band while Jarlaxle is travelling on the surface with Artemis. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Oct 2004 : 04:54:23
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Sage, after the events of Servant of the Shard, Jarlaxle isn't the only leader of Bregan D'Arthe. Kimmuriel Oblodran, the psionicist, is now the co-leader of the band while Jarlaxle is travelling on the surface with Artemis.
Well now... you can't expect us Great Readers to remember every single specific detail...  After all, that's why Alaundo has assigned us each a small staff of Senior Scribes whose duty it is to cover any and all details that we miss... 
I'm just kidding DDH...  I'd actually forgotten Oblodran  . Which is strange in itself, because Servant of the Shard is one of my favorites of the various RAS novels... 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 Oct 2004 : 06:03:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'm just kidding DDH... I'd actually forgotten Oblodran . Which is strange in itself, because Servant of the Shard is one of my favorites of the various RAS novels...
The senility is running rampant! 
Seriously, Servant of the Shard is my fave RAS novel. Not only did it not focus on the scimitar-weilding angsty guy, it shifted to the far more intriguing interplay between Jarlaxle (one of my fave Realms characters), Artemis Entreri (it's nice to see him in a role other than "must kill Drizzt!"), and Crenshenibon. It was a wonderful break from the norm, and I can only hope to see more of their tale. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 29 Oct 2004 : 06:28:57
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| Isn't there a new Arty/Jarlaxle story in the 2nd Best of the Realms book? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Oct 2004 : 07:43:26
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Isn't there a new Arty/Jarlaxle story in the 2nd Best of the Realms book?
Realms of the Dragons you mean.......? Then yes if so. :) |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 29 Oct 2004 : 20:44:50
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| Yes, that's what I meant. Thank you. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Oct 2004 : 01:49:44
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See I had thought that Bregan Daerthe was more far reaching than just Menzoberranzan.In WoTSQ when Valas met up with a contact in Ched Nasad.Well not necessarily a mutual contact.It was more of a help me,or you will pay the price deal.I'm just using that as an example.Meaning that I always thought that on the surface Bregan Daerthe showed that they were obedient to House Baenre,but in reality they just being careful to further their own plans.Now what those plans are,are still up in the air with Jarlaxle on the surface.So with Kimmuriel(I think)and Jarlaxle on the surface.I think they are expanding big time,and no longer will they bow to House Baenre's demands.
Well that is just my hope.I think they are a kick a$$ group,with a great leader,that shouldn't be controlled by any house.
Also something that I have thought about.Why didn't Jarlaxle go back to take advantage of the absence of Lolth??He had to have known what was going on right?I guess I would have to ask RAS that,but I am just asking for theories. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Oct 2004 : 04:59:13
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
See I had thought that Bregan Daerthe was more far reaching than just Menzoberranzan.In WoTSQ when Valas met up with a contact in Ched Nasad.Well not necessarily a mutual contact.It was more of a help me,or you will pay the price deal.I'm just using that as an example.Meaning that I always thought that on the surface Bregan Daerthe showed that they were obedient to House Baenre,but in reality they just being careful to further their own plans.Now what those plans are,are still up in the air with Jarlaxle on the surface.So with Kimmuriel(I think)and Jarlaxle on the surface.I think they are expanding big time,and no longer will they bow to House Baenre's demands.
Well that is just my hope.I think they are a kick a$$ group,with a great leader,that shouldn't be controlled by any house.
Also something that I have thought about.Why didn't Jarlaxle go back to take advantage of the absence of Lolth??He had to have known what was going on right?I guess I would have to ask RAS that,but I am just asking for theories.
About the WotSQ situation concerning Jarlaxle, the most obvious one would be that he wouldn't know. I mean, the drow mercenary isn't the most devoted follower of Lolth so he might not know if the Spider Queen is gone. Second, I suspect that he doesn't care. He probably left it for Kimmuriel to handle, maybe something like a test to see if the psionicist is worthy of being leader. I think that right now, his travelling with Artemis is basically a vacation for him, a break from handling Bregan D'Arthe and the constant chaos and treachery of drow society. |
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Arteris
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 : 20:46:32
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Sage, after the events of Servant of the Shard, Jarlaxle isn't the only leader of Bregan D'Arthe. Kimmuriel Oblodran, the psionicist, is now the co-leader of the band while Jarlaxle is travelling on the surface with Artemis.
Might I inquire as to what happend to Rai'guy (concerning the "co leadership") since him and Kimmuriel are "friends" in "secret"? Im only on Spine of the World as it is, so maybe he was killed or just wasnt trusted enough by Jarlaxle and I just dont know about it yet...(Or I might have missed somthing in The Silent Blade )
Edit: I just bought Servant of the Shard, so if somthing happens to Rai'Guy in it, just ignore my question |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 03:26:09
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| I was think the same thinking the same thing DDH.That Jarlaxle just didn't know what was going on because he was on the surface.The more I thought of it I don't think that would be the case.Jarlaxle is one that would always know what is going on.Especially in his base of operations.How he would be informed is anyones guess,and I don't believe that he would leave it up to Kimmuriel as a test of faith.He wouldn't trust him.I do agre that he probably just doesn't care,and will let the chips fall where they may.Then return,and play his hand.I mean Entreri has maybe a few more decades left of life.Unless he prolongs his life somehow,or is killed(doubtful).What's a few more decades to Jarlaxle?Reading SotS,and the short story in RotD,it sure sounds like he is having fun on the surface though.So it is an open,and intriguing scenario.One that I hope to the Gods, that are listening ,that RAS will write about.IMO it's been a long time coming. |
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Elven Avenger
Acolyte
Brazil
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Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 13:56:53
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| Does any of these books explain the background of jarlaxle? How he turned into the leader of the guild, something about when he was born.. |
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Alparon
Seeker
Turkey
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 09:55:11
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I killed Jarlaxle in BG2
but he is a great bastard
he is a great traitor
therefore he must follow Cyric i say |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 11:16:07
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Originally posted by Alparon
well.....
I killed Jarlaxle in BG2
but he is a great bastard
he is a great traitor
therefore he must follow Cyric i say
Nah, all drow are like that. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 11:31:22
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Originally posted by Elven Avenger
Does any of these books explain the background of jarlaxle? How he turned into the leader of the guild, something about when he was born..
Doing a little exploring, I can not find any indication any book provides this information. Rather he makes appearence and some facts about him are revealed. RAS' forum http://p197.ezboard.com/brasalvatoreforums does have a few threads that discusses him. |
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Elven Avenger
Acolyte
Brazil
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 19:47:49
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| thank you very much, i will go and check |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 22:17:07
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| I cannot believe it took me THIS long to see the other side of this organization. This is very interesting! |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Nov 2013 : 00:46:09
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| It has been hinted that Jarlaxle was the THIRD son of Yvonne Baenre although it has been years since I read the novels so I can't quote the passages that lead me to believe that. It may have been in the Menzo boxed set that I came to believe it. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 25 Nov 2013 : 05:07:49
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| You learn something new everyday Ha! |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Nov 2013 : 12:01:33
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| Ah, I didn't read RotP so I didn't realize that fact had been revealed. Thanks for the confirmation. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Nov 2013 : 19:04:51
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The surprise reveal was the very last sentence of Servant of the Shard.
In Road of the Patriarch, RAS actually goes into detail about Jar's birth.
But we still only have a few isolated tidbits about the founding of the brotherhood, and Jar's and Zak's common past. We know that Jar was considered the founder, and it took him a long time to do so, and that it only really came to prominence in the 1200s DR. Zaknafein was a better fighter than Jarlaxle, but Jar convinced him otherwise via some mysterious sort of betrayal. Other than that, we're still pretty much in the dark about those two, and the early days of BD'a. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Dec 2013 : 13:20:15
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| Yeah i would love to read more about the founding of Bregan Daerthe and its early years. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Dec 2013 : 13:33:05
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| I would to, I was always curious about them. |
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