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Jeff_K
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 20:53:46
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I was wondering... how did Bane and Bhaal get resurrected? And where can I stay up to date on Forgotten Realms events like that? It's frustrating, being the only nerd who doesn't know what's going on.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 21:12:52
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Originally posted by Jeff_K
I was wondering... how did Bane and Bhaal get resurrected? And where can I stay up to date on Forgotten Realms events like that? It's frustrating, being the only nerd who doesn't know what's going on.
Bhaal didn't get resurrected yet...... Bane's return was mentioned in the FRCS or Lords of Darkness. A lot of people want a novel written for the full details about that since WOTC hasn't written the whole return out. Bane just burst from Xvim and then he was back. :) |
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Jeff_K
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 21:49:43
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| I read something about Bhaal being resurrected, but I can't remember where. All I know is that it had something to do with Mask, and Bhaal became Neutral Evil instead of Lawful Evil. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 23:19:08
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Originally posted by Jeff_K
I read something about Bhaal being resurrected, but I can't remember where. All I know is that it had something to do with Mask, and Bhaal became Neutral Evil instead of Lawful Evil.
I don't know what you are reading then because I repeat, Bhaal is dead deity and he doesn't exist as a deity any longer. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2004 : 00:41:27
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Officially speaking, the Lord of Murder remains dead.
I have two theories for Bane's return. One was that he'd for some reason decided to create (or modify) Iyachtu Xvim as a vessel for his eventual return, should anything happen.
The other theory is that Xvim was truly independent of Bane. When Bane was slain, perhaps a shard of his essence made it way to the Baneson...
Either way, Fzoul Chermbryl's actions strengthened Xvim. Part of this process was collecting some of Bane's remaining essence -- like in the Baneliches.
So either this influx of the old Bane's power was enough to awaken the sleeping Bane within Xvim, or it reacted with the parts of his essence that Xvim had already collected, forming a critical mass that lead to Bane's reformation.
Same result, two different ways to get there. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 20 Oct 2004 : 02:08:46
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Originally posted by Jeff_K
I was wondering... how did Bane and Bhaal get resurrected? And where can I stay up to date on Forgotten Realms events like that? It's frustrating, being the only nerd who doesn't know what's going on.
To answer your question about staying updated, visiting the FR official site at WotC is good to find new information about the Realms. Your other option is to keep coming here for more!  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Oct 2004 : 07:06:18
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Originally posted by Jeff_K
I read something about Bhaal being resurrected, but I can't remember where. All I know is that it had something to do with Mask, and Bhaal became Neutral Evil instead of Lawful Evil.
Perhaps you read a forum discussion that related to the recent Bhaal-themed PrC that was printed in a recent issue of Dragon... #322 I believe...
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Jerard Doonsay
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2004 : 17:20:48
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| The only Bhaal rez I've heard of was BG, and that was so non-cannonical it's not even funny. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 02:59:44
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Originally posted by Jerard Doonsay
The only Bhaal rez I've heard of was BG, and that was so non-cannonical it's not even funny.
Bhaal has been the Lord of Murder in the Realms since the printing of the ol' grey boxset... 
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 04:21:15
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I believe that by "Bhaal Rez" He was referring to a ressurection of Bhaal.
However I might be mistaken.
I will try to refrain from my normal(and by now quite repetitive) complaints about there *being* non canonical FR products, at least that aren't openly marked with "this doesn't count!". |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 22:29:12
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 22:42:56
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
I was wondering are there any worshipers of bhaal still left or is he a completley dead faith.?
There were still a few left after the ToT, but not a huge amount. Most converted to Cyric.
For all intents and purposes, I'd declare it a dead faith. There may still be a few die-hards out there, but I doubt there's even 12 of them in all the Realms. |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 00:56:20
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I wouldn't neccesarily say only 12... I have a few scattered Bhaal cults in my game. The evil cult trying to ressurect dead god(s) is a staple of the genre, and can be tons of fun.
Also, dead gods have returned before, that combined wit hactually loyal bhaalists(which are admittedly few) ther should be some scattered cells of Bhaal worship...
For canonical references, it is mentioned that bhall holdouts visit the river that is infused with his essence today. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 07:43:00
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| Capn, you talking about the Ashaba River where Cyric killed Bhaal? Is it still as poisonious and deadly as before? |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 08:19:00
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Look, I'll level with you: I remember readign that a river(it might have been the ashaba, might have been some other) was tainted with bhaal's essence, poisonous, etc. However, I wil lbe damned if I cna find it. Bhall is not even listed in the FRCS' index, and for some reason I cannot beg borrow or steal a copy of i in electronic format that is searchable, and also lack the time to re read it cover to cover to find it... So, I cannot prove my claims at this time.
Hell, maybe I even imagined the whole thing, since I can't find it now... I'll cop to that. But I swear it was there, and will try to find the reference when I am able. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 09:01:13
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| Bhaal was slain at Boareskyr Bridge, which spans the Winding Water. From there to Trollclaw Ford the river is poisonous, because it absorbed his essence. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 13:33:54
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Originally posted by Capn Charlie
Look, I'll level with you: I remember readign that a river(it might have been the ashaba, might have been some other) was tainted with bhaal's essence, poisonous, etc. However, I wil lbe damned if I cna find it. Bhall is not even listed in the FRCS' index, and for some reason I cannot beg borrow or steal a copy of i in electronic format that is searchable, and also lack the time to re read it cover to cover to find it... So, I cannot prove my claims at this time.
Page 226 of the FRCS lists the bridge that WR referenced. Bhaal is mentioned in this entry. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 17:21:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Bhaal was slain at Boareskyr Bridge, which spans the Winding Water. From there to Trollclaw Ford the river is poisonous, because it absorbed his essence.
Yes, that's the place. But even after like 15 years, is that place still as polluted? I remember reading like even one drop of that water will kill you.
Hmmm... this river could be used in a D&D campaign. Have like a plot about Bhaalists attempt to draw Bhaal's essence from the river to raise him or do whatever evil stuff with his powers. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 19:40:18
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Yes, that's the place. But even after like 15 years, is that place still as polluted? I remember reading like even one drop of that water will kill you.
On page 226 of the FRCS, it nows states that the water is "black, foul-smelling, and unlucky to drink."
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 20:43:26
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| But can anything be done to fix that place up? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 21:38:46
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Originally posted by DDH_101
But can anything be done to fix that place up?
Yeah contact Martha Stewart in a few months and she should be free.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 22:40:13
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by DDH_101
But can anything be done to fix that place up?
Yeah contact Martha Stewart in a few months and she should be free.
But isn't Bhaal's essence the lesser of two evils? |
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Jeff_K
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 26 Oct 2004 : 17:46:01
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| I also read something about Waukeen coming back, in the FR novel "The Sapphire Cresent". Does anyone know anything about that? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Oct 2004 : 18:01:52
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I also read something about Waukeen coming back, in the FR novel "The Sapphire Cresent". Does anyone know anything about that?
Yeah, she came back in the module For Duty & Deity.
The long and the short of it: during the ToT, Waukeen tried to get back into the heavens by doing some plane-hopping. The demon Graz'zt was supposed to help her, but took her prisoner, instead. The module has the PCs trying to rescue her.
The reason her portfolio remained open was that she handed it off to Llira to watch while she was gone. I believe she'd had to shed a further bit of her divinity, too, and that's why she didn't just pop back when Ao allowed the gods to resume their places -- she actually had to get back to the Realms before she could re-ascend. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Oct 2004 : 21:47:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, she came back in the module For Duty & Deity.
The long and the short of it: during the ToT, Waukeen tried to get back into the heavens by doing some plane-hopping. The demon Graz'zt was supposed to help her, but took her prisoner, instead. The module has the PCs trying to rescue her.
The reason her portfolio remained open was that she handed it off to Llira to watch while she was gone. I believe she'd had to shed a further bit of her divinity, too, and that's why she didn't just pop back when Ao allowed the gods to resume their places -- she actually had to get back to the Realms before she could re-ascend.
Yup, and that module also ties in with the Planescape module Tales from the Infinite Staircase. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Oct 2004 : 07:19:04
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, she came back in the module For Duty & Deity.
The long and the short of it: during the ToT, Waukeen tried to get back into the heavens by doing some plane-hopping. The demon Graz'zt was supposed to help her, but took her prisoner, instead. The module has the PCs trying to rescue her.
The reason her portfolio remained open was that she handed it off to Llira to watch while she was gone. I believe she'd had to shed a further bit of her divinity, too, and that's why she didn't just pop back when Ao allowed the gods to resume their places -- she actually had to get back to the Realms before she could re-ascend.
Yup, and that module also ties in with the Planescape module Tales from the Infinite Staircase. :)
I knew that if any scribe was going to beat me to making that connection, it would be you Kuje...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 27 Oct 2004 : 16:13:31
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| Hmmm... does anyone know if Waukeen had started to take revenge on Grazz't yet? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Oct 2004 : 16:44:41
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Originally posted by The SageI knew that if any scribe was going to beat me to making that connection, it would be you Kuje...
Perhaps I should visit Candlekeep more often...
:) Sorry, I can't help I have every Planescape box set/module/sourcebook except for the sketch book, which seems to be the book many of us are missing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2004 : 08:10:53
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by The SageI knew that if any scribe was going to beat me to making that connection, it would be you Kuje...
Perhaps I should visit Candlekeep more often...
:) Sorry, I can't help I have every Planescape box set/module/sourcebook except for the sketch book, which seems to be the book many of us are missing.
Hah!... I've got you beat on that at least...
I wouldn't worry though, you're not missing that much... 
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Shayan
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 28 Oct 2004 : 15:40:20
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Originally posted by Jeff_K
I read something about Bhaal being resurrected, but I can't remember where. All I know is that it had something to do with Mask, and Bhaal became Neutral Evil instead of Lawful Evil.
Hi, after I read through this topic I was also convinced that I saw somewhere that Bhaal was resurrected, contrary to the posts...I couldn't get to sleep without finding out where, and finally I found it!
The site claims that the information provided is from TSR, its official etc, however I guess all you guys can't be wrong. The resurrection of Bhaal is a big deal afterall...
So here is the Quote from the site:
http://www.io.com/~jwetzler/history.htm
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Some time later, Lord Ao returned to resurrect the Lord of Murder in the Moonshae Isles. Bhaal's second coming was short-lived, and Cyric became the official caretaker of the Church of Assassins. Meanwhile, Cyric joined forces with Mask (Lord of Shadows) to murder Leira, Lady of the Mists, giving Cyric the powers of Deception and Illusion.
It goes into no detail as to how and why...
Does the inclusion of Hall of Heroes in it's reference material mean that it could be fictional?
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