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Erin Tettensor
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
89 Posts |
 Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 14:33:33
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Begging the indulgence of the ever-munificent Alaundo, I draw my fellow scribes' attention to the following new writing opportunity from Wizards of the Coast:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/magic/mtgopencall2004
It is the latest in Wizards' new batch of "open calls," this time for a novel in the "Magic, the Gathering" line.
Good luck to all!
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 17:20:47
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Originally posted by Zyx
Begging the indulgence of the ever-munificent Alaundo, I draw my fellow scribes' attention to the following new writing opportunity from Wizards of the Coast:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/magic/mtgopencall2004
It is the latest in Wizards' new batch of "open calls," this time for a novel in the "Magic, the Gathering" line.
Good luck to all!
"Magic, the Gathering" novels?  I didn't even know such things existed... who reads that kind of thing? (and more importantly, why?) |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 19:22:06
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Because, the novels were generally engaging, and fun, having little if any to do with the card game. Two books I particularly liked out of all the fantasy ones I have are MTG books from the mid nineties, and still care for today. They were, and are, well written, with interesting characters, intriguing worlds, and were a very good read, then and now.
I can comment less about the novel arcs over the last few years, but from what I saw, it had become the card game picturing the novel story, not vice versa.
And I will ask you to at least try to be open minded about the game, as contrary to popular belief, dnd isn't all about hack and slash, and the card game could turn into an extremely strategic game with lots more thinking going on than the "go fish" knockoff that many seem to make it out to be. |
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
My first stab at realms fiction, here at candlekeep. Stop on by and tell me what you think. |
Edited by - Capn Charlie on 27 Sep 2004 19:23:12 |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 20:59:31
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| Meh... I suppose there is a market for that sort of thing. If it gets some kids to start reading the more the better I guess. As for me, no thanks: I'll stick with the Realms literature as far as WotC-churned books go. |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 21:14:48
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*shrugs* A book's a book, and if the blurbs on the back are interesting enough for me to bother reading it, I will do so, regardless of the publisher.
As a note, though, some of the MTG books I read were definitely not for kids, depending on how you define "kids". If you ever have the time, and the open mind, though, I could suggest one or two for you to try, first, then judge, that are pretty good reads. |
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
My first stab at realms fiction, here at candlekeep. Stop on by and tell me what you think. |
Edited by - Capn Charlie on 27 Sep 2004 21:19:13 |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 21:25:20
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Nah. Sorry, I won't try them. No, I don't have the time, even if yes, my mind is more than open.
As for my definition of kids: KIDS = ANYONE < 21 YEARS OLD (U.S.) or ANYONE < 19 YEARS OLD (pretty much the rest of the world)  |
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Edward Bolme
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 23:43:05
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| FYI, it was writing an M:tG short story that started me down the road to writing The Alabaster Staff. |
Edward Bolme
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 00:10:34
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Originally posted by Edward Bolme
FYI, it was writing an M:tG short story that started me down the road to writing The Alabaster Staff.
I'll make sure I pick up Alabaster Staff, as soon as my pile of unread classics diminish. However, please respect my decision not to read anything related to Magic: the Gathering. 
It's a matter of principles: when I was trying to get some FR games going in high school, my arch-nemesis was always sabotaging my attempts by impromptu M:tG games! 
Sorry, it goes back a long way!  |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 00:39:28
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You must learn to bend like the willow, young one...
I scheduled the magic games at my place, and after a bit, got us onto the more serious task at hand of dnd...
Same principle I used in my little "DND youth outreach program" at the local hastings, I weaned the group of kids from pokemon to yu gi oh, then to magic as their tastes matured, and finally to dnd, and the FR. Sewing seeds for the next generation of roleplayers in ground many thought was barren.
I even found a protege to pass my old 3.0 core books to, in fine traditional style. |
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
My first stab at realms fiction, here at candlekeep. Stop on by and tell me what you think. |
Edited by - Capn Charlie on 28 Sep 2004 00:42:12 |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 03:22:10
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Originally posted by Capn Charlie
I can comment less about the novel arcs over the last few years, but from what I saw, it had become the card game picturing the novel story, not vice versa.
Actually, this is completely contrary to the way things have been since Apocalypse/Invasion block. The cards now provide world flavour, not story. That's left up to the novels.
And of course, there's now the inevitable conjecture about a return to Dominaria for the 2006/2007 block... |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 03:31:57
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| Actually that was what I was meaning, the cards were starting to be the pictures, metaphorically as wel las literally, giving glimpses into the world, not inspiring novels in and of themselves. |
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
My first stab at realms fiction, here at candlekeep. Stop on by and tell me what you think. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 03:42:42
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Meh... I suppose there is a market for that sort of thing. If it gets some kids to start reading the more the better I guess. As for me, no thanks: I'll stick with the Realms literature as far as WotC-churned books go.
That's funny. The condescending "Oh, it's just for kids" attitude is precisely how most people regard game-related fiction -- FR in particular.
Irony? Why yes, I think so. *chuckles* |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 05:02:32
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Meh... I suppose there is a market for that sort of thing. If it gets some kids to start reading the more the better I guess. As for me, no thanks: I'll stick with the Realms literature as far as WotC-churned books go.
That's funny. The condescending "Oh, it's just for kids" attitude is precisely how most people regard game-related fiction -- FR in particular.
Irony? Why yes, I think so. *chuckles*
I was wondering when someone would make that very remark!
I agree that this is the perception of many, and I will not personally comment on this, other than to say that I enjoy the books very much and that the love of the setting is what made me read the books, and not the opposite (the setting and Realmslore accessories brought me to the books, as opposed to the books introducing me to the setting...) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 05:10:43
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Originally posted by Winterfox
That's funny. The condescending "Oh, it's just for kids" attitude is precisely how most people regard game-related fiction -- FR in particular.
Exactly. I recall reading a review from an established organization for one of Salvatore's recent novels and finding a line that said the novel would make a fine addition to the YA section of a library. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 07:39:47
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Exactly. I recall reading a review from an established organization for one of Salvatore's recent novels and finding a line that said the novel would make a fine addition to the YA section of a library.
We-elll, strictly speaking, I think say, The Cleric Quintet does look like it's written for the younger portion of the YA audience. But books like the WotSQ series? Hell no. That is, on the whole, I think FR fiction's aimed at a variety of age groups.
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I was wondering when someone would make that very remark!
I agree that this is the perception of many, and I will not personally comment on this, other than to say that I enjoy the books very much and that the love of the setting is what made me read the books, and not the opposite (the setting and Realmslore accessories brought me to the books, as opposed to the books introducing me to the setting...)
*shrugs* I don't read MtG novels out of a lack of interest, but don't you think that their fans would defend them precisely the way a FR fan might defend FR novels? And that's where the irony lies. Throwing around blanket generalizations when the thing you enjoy is the victim of the very same generalization? |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 09:34:18
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Darn! aren't you supposed to be on the Realms' side here? this is Candlekeep, THE site devoted to FR lore! am I the only one thinking it is normal to be partial to the good old Realms here?!? blanket generalizations?!?  Man! this is starting to sound like the WotC boards over here!
As for backing my early arguments - as if I really needed to do this on the CK site!  - well I for one does not think of the Realms as a simple game, but a full-fledge fantasy setting developed by a collaborative effort, over 30 years in the making.
If you want to compare this to something that can be arranged as a deck, suit yourself!  |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 10:16:10
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As I stated once, I will state again, though, much like dnd, magic started as a simple game, it became much more, blossoming into a world that is deep, and expansive, though admittedly nowhere near the realms in these categories.
That, and we should try to be more supportive of our fellow gamers, and unite against the non gamers, I would think, not sit about liek the people's front of judea tossing around "splitter".
They game in a fantasy world, and enjoy it through novels, and so do we, we are more alike than different. As such, we should welcome even the CCG folds of gamerdom with the same openness as brothers at arms, and, indeed, I could tell you a few tales that would blow your mind about the interactivity of a card game, though not specifically magic.
Just try to remember, as some realms fans paly their hack and slash on friday, and read their novels for story on sunday afternoon, so too are some of our brothers and sisters of the gaming table in the land of CCGs. |
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
My first stab at realms fiction, here at candlekeep. Stop on by and tell me what you think. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 12:21:00
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Darn! aren't you supposed to be on the Realms' side here?
Eh. I'm on no one's side. Just voicing the observation of someone who enjoys a number of activities that are condemned by many as childish, silly, brainless, or suchlike. (To wit: FR, the fantasy genre, fanfiction, etc.)
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this is Candlekeep, THE site devoted to FR lore! am I the only one thinking it is normal to be partial to the good old Realms here?!? blanket generalizations?!? Man! this is starting to sound like the WotC boards over here!
Does it? Then more power to the WotC boards, I suppose -- I haven't visited them for ages. Are you saying that you weren't throwing around blanket generalizations and giving some rather inflammatory opinions? If you defend FR, you don't really have a leg to stand on when you stated that MtG books are aimed toward kids. FR fiction's no great literature. It's like... oh, yes. Like Anne Rice -- who writes fiction about vampires and dysfunctional, ultra-incestuous/pedophiliac sex -- claiming that her books are a sacred, perfect work of art.
(And yes, she does do that. In case you were wondering.)
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As for backing my early arguments - as if I really needed to do this on the CK site! - well I for one does not think of the Realms as a simple game, but a full-fledge fantasy setting developed by a collaborative effort, over 30 years in the making.
You seem to think that I'm attacking FR or something. I'm not -- that'd be quite idiotic, since as I said, I enjoy FR fiction. If anything, I agree that FR is a rich fantasy setting, and not just a flat, generic backdrop for roleplaying.
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If you want to compare this to something that can be arranged as a deck
And so? Therefore? D&D is played using dice. |
Edited by - Alaundo on 28 Sep 2004 12:45:24 |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 12:38:44
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Originally posted by Winterfox
*shrugs* I don't read MtG novels out of a lack of interest, but don't you think that their fans would defend them precisely the way a FR fan might defend FR novels? And that's where the irony lies. Throwing around blanket generalizations when the thing you enjoy is the victim of the very same generalization?
Except for the fact that a running joke in the Magic community is how badly some of the novels are written(and how flimsy the plotlines are)...Kamigawa seems to be a turn for the better, to at least Invasion-block quality writing... |
Edited by - Alaundo on 28 Sep 2004 12:45:52 |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Erin Tettensor
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2004 : 15:10:05
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Indeed! When I begged your indulgence, Alaundo, I was certainly not begging that much indulgence!
Back to the topic at hand, Edward's point is quite well taken, which is that as a writing opportunity Wizards' open call may be important to lots of people. I had never read or played anything Realms-related when I participated in the Maiden of Pain open call, and it led to my first pro gig. Those who have not yet been exposed to Magic, the Gathering (I myself fall into this category) may find it an equally enchanting world in which to weave fiction.
To those who are prepared to keep an open mind and check out this golden chance to go pro, more power to you. To those who aren't interested, is it really necessary to rain on other peoples' parade? |
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Myrddin
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Sep 2004 : 13:51:48
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Keep in mind that the announcement implies the winner will have to complete the first 90k word draft in four months. I know I couldn't do this without quitting my day job.
If you can pull this off, than go for it. :) |
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Jerard Doonsay
Seeker
USA
65 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2004 : 15:37:21
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Myrddin Posted - 30 Sep 2004 : 13:51:48
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Keep in mind that the announcement implies the winner will have to complete the first 90k word draft in four months. I know I couldn't do this without quitting my day job.
If you can pull this off, than go for it. :)
Wow, that's alot of time. And alot of words for a short story. Well, I'm assuming a short story as I havn't read the whole thing yet. Maybe I should try for it....hmm..... |
May history live forever in the writings and stories of those who wish to tell them.
Please come and enjoy my website http://ferien.aribytes.org |
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Myrddin
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Sep 2004 : 19:51:14
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Originally posted by Jerard Doonsay
Wow, that's alot of time. And alot of words for a short story. Well, I'm assuming a short story as I havn't read the whole thing yet. Maybe I should try for it....hmm.....
90,000 words is the rough equivilant of a 400 page novel. :) |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2004 : 13:10:01
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Too bad it's only limited to Magic: the gathering (which I know nothing of)  Otherwise I'd have a crack at it. |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
-Oglar the Thieflord |
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R0GUE
Seeker
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2004 : 13:30:59
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Perhaps someone who knows the world could provide us with a suggested reading list? Something short enough that we could read a few books and still get a proposal/chapter done by the deadline of course.  |
You have had your pocket pilfered by the R0GUE.  |
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2004 : 19:08:45
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| The open call guidelines recommend reading the Invasion trilogy. |
"You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride |
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R0GUE
Seeker
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2004 : 02:50:22
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Thanks Kameron. I have only scanned the guidelines so far. I will go get that directly. Btw, congrats again on being chosen for MoP. I was RoaP, on the old Wizards.com FR Novels boards.  |
You have had your pocket pilfered by the R0GUE. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2004 : 14:36:11
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For those interested, GamingReport had the following news article posted earlier today:
Wizards of the Coast Chat News:
"So Wizards of the Coast recently opened submissions for a new line of fiction and you are thinking of submitting . . ..You can get all your questions answered about format, content, what actually happens to your submission once it is received, and
more by Associate Publishers Peter Archer and Ginger Ahn.
Submitting Manuscripts to Wizards Chat
With Associate Publishers Peter Archer and Ginger Ahn
Tue, Dec 7, 4 pm PT/7 pm ET/12 am GST
Held in the "Wizards Presents" chat room |
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R0GUE
Seeker
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2004 : 17:37:30
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Awesome - I will be there for sure.  |
You have had your pocket pilfered by the R0GUE. |
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