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Jerard Doonsay
Seeker
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 Posted - 02 Sep 2004 : 13:36:50
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Ok, so in my mind the Fey'ri are a little over powered. Not in the abilities that gives them the +3, but Alter Self at will. Doesn't anyone think that's a bit much? I mean, if roleplayed well (I hate Mike) you can have a spy that will almost never get caught. Opinion are welcome, try to make me look dumb.
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Sep 2004 : 14:08:14
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Well, basically, the ultimate power of the fey ri ability that you dislike has to come down to DM preference.
If they actually have the amount of magic that the ability to use and implenment it would suggest, anyone who's anyone would either have an item, or person on staff able to easily penerate such a pitiful glamer.
However, for those who want a very low magic version of the realms with each and every rare magic +1 sword having a three thousand year pedigree and never passing hands for money because of it's near artifact status(it's MAGIC!) then you have any race with innate magical abilities becoming vastly more powerful, just like is suggested in the various manuals.
In my opinion, anyone important enough for hte fey'ri to want to spy on(taking into account their limited numbers) would have at least a wizard or priest able to pierce the enchantment to check all new people at least once for potential spies.
the larger and more valuable targets likely have all manner of high end items in their lairs to automatically detect, if not ouright dispel, any of the Fey'ri's abilities. I would imagine one would never make it through the inner gate of the cormyrean royal castle, or into alustrial's home, for starters.
However, for the lower levels of the game I love the msot(1-7) their abilities can be used to great effect, with massive consequences.
However, thus far, msot of the fey'ri that my players have encountered have been thin blooded(think tiefling) footsoldiers, and one half fiend(a half succubus tempalte I made) nobleman. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Sep 2004 : 14:38:40
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I don't DM, but I think they're balanced enough... Not that I have any intention of ever allowing one as a PC, unless there's a seriously good reason for it.
But yeah, the "alter self" ability could be seriously abused. Of course, any mage with a polymorph spell could be a great spy, too, or a person with a hat of disguise... It's powerful, but it can be overcome. |
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Jerard Doonsay
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2004 : 16:56:45
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| My problem is that the character (yes, it's a character problem) is nothing more than a petty thug, praying on commoners. He has yet to do anything that would warrent enough suspicion to cause the Flaming Fist to go even start looking for him. It's rather agrivationg. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 Sep 2004 : 18:08:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't DM, but I think they're balanced enough... Not that I have any intention of ever allowing one as a PC, unless there's a seriously good reason for it.
Agreed, I'll also like to hear the reason for any player wanting to play a Fey'ri in my campaign. I prefer to use them as tools for the DM, but that's just my opinion.
I wonder if with Richard Baker's novel if the Fey'ri are going to get a boom in popularity with many players wishing to play one. |
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Hamlet
Acolyte
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Posted - 04 Sep 2004 : 00:23:02
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I first encountered a Fey'ri as a custom creature for the World of Rhun NWN mod. I ... I just fell in love with it, and it was for mostly aestethic reasons (just look here and there and you shall see what I mean) 
I assigned 25 levels as an illuisonist mage on the creature and set him against a certain paladin, level 20, who seemed to be going nuts about evil-hunting. Well, the Holly Avenger greatsword did not help him this time.
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Nov 2004 : 20:25:31
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Not in the abilities that gives them the +3, but Alter Self at will
Jerard you have forgotten one of the Fey'ri's main draw backs, they are hated by elves and most other races.
The Fey'ri require to move about discreatly their numbers are small, most good elves (or other good creature) would attempt to destroy them on sight because of their infernal heritidge. (Is it Infernal or Abyssal sorry I dont have any books near me) A Fey'ri would meet, at the very minimum, the same hatred as a drow.
I was more but I forgot what I was going to say 
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Nov 2004 : 22:59:43
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| Elrond, you brought up a good point. Is it Infernal or Abyssal? In Forsaken House, Richard Baker says that the fey'ri and the daemonfey are spawns of sun elves and demon lords. However, many times in the book they are referred to in using their "infernal powers". Then there's also how Sarya would summon pit fiends to assist in fighting the Evereskans, even though devils and demons are enemies, no matter how little demon or devil blood one has. Hmm... |
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Nov 2004 : 23:28:25
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Reading your response has caused me to remember something, DDH, Fey'ri where created by Sun elves mating with Vrocks (IIRC) which would mean that they where Abyssal? I either read this in MoF or RoF but as i said I dont have access to those books. Infact the only book I have access to just now is BoVD and The latest Dragon.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2004 : 01:33:09
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Elrond, I don't think there's a specific type of demon that a sun elf needs to mate with in order to produce a fey'ri or a daemonfey. For example, Sarya's father was a balor. Then she had mated with a glabrezu to produce her son, Xlaph.
It's more about how pure one's demonblood is. The true daemonfey has mated many generations so that they have a fine balance between their demonic and elven heritage. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 13:21:55
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The Fey'ri are descendants of the Daemonfey which refers to Sarya and her Nephew (called her Son in the Novel). He was her Nephew in all the 2E material and was her Nephew in Lords of Darkness, then a novel comes out and all of sudden he is promoted to Son status.
Sarya's father was a Balor, her Nephew's father was a Glabrezu.
There were examples of Fey'ri with parentage from Mariliths and a few other Demons.
However, the general stock source implied has been Succubi, especially for the Alter Self ability. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 14:29:13
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Elrond, I don't think there's a specific type of demon that a sun elf needs to mate with in order to produce a fey'ri or a daemonfey. For example, Sarya's father was a balor. Then she had mated with a glabrezu to produce her son, Xlaph.
It's more about how pure one's demonblood is. The true daemonfey has mated many generations so that they have a fine balance between their demonic and elven heritage.
Like cambions (the offspring that result for the pairing of a tanar'ri male and human female), nearly all demon types can bred with sun elves to produce a daemonfey, at least according to 2e. However, it should be noted that again, like cambions, the type of tanar'ri that mates with an elven female will result in either a stronger or weaker daemonfey which may carry more demonic influence or less, depending on whether the particular tanar'ri male was a greater or lesser demon.
Again I should point out that this is all standard fact in 2e. I'm not entirely sure how the situation is handled in 3e, and in particular in FR... because I've aways been comfortable with using the 2e interpretation for plot devices and/or characters within my campaigns and have never felt the need to change it.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 16:43:10
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Originally posted by warlockco
The Fey'ri are descendants of the Daemonfey which refers to Sarya and her Nephew (called her Son in the Novel). He was her Nephew in all the 2E material and was her Nephew in Lords of Darkness, then a novel comes out and all of sudden he is promoted to Son status.
Do you remember the page or portion of the novel where Sarya calls him son? |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 18:33:27
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Originally posted by warlockco
The Fey'ri are descendants of the Daemonfey which refers to Sarya and her Nephew (called her Son in the Novel). He was her Nephew in all the 2E material and was her Nephew in Lords of Darkness, then a novel comes out and all of sudden he is promoted to Son status.
Sarya's father was a Balor, her Nephew's father was a Glabrezu.
There were examples of Fey'ri with parentage from Mariliths and a few other Demons.
However, the general stock source implied has been Succubi, especially for the Alter Self ability.
It did indeed talk about Sarya's newphew in LoD. However, the newphew in LoD was named Xhalth, while her son's name is Xlaph. I think you got those two mixed up. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 19:31:24
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3.x appears to handle these half breeds as.
"fey'ri, a third-generation fiend-tainted sun elf, born of a half-fiend elf father and a gold elf mother."
Has "SQ change shape (Medium humanoid forms only), damage reduction 10/magic, darkvision 60 ft., elven blood, enchantment resistance, fire resistance 10, immunities (sleep spells and effects), low-light vision, trapfinding"
taken from http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040519a
and "daemonfey collectively comprise a clan of evil, magically talented half-fiends and fey'ri (tieflings descended from elf-demon crossbreeds) that has been recently freed from centuries of imprisonment to stalk Faerûn once again."
And has " SQ Alternate form, familiar benefits, demonic abilities, elf traits"
"Demonic Abilities: Damage reduction 10/+1; fire resistance 10; detect thoughts, suggestion once per day as Sor10."
source: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20010112
While the two are taken from character descriptions it appears that Demon blood and Elven blood are effective for both of them. It is perhaps hard to say at which point either elf blood or demon blood is no longer present when breeding with a full blood as it is clear that 3/4 elf 1/4 demon still has Demonic DR and fire resistance, etc.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 20:04:07
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Originally posted by DDH_101
It did indeed talk about Sarya's newphew in LoD. However, the newphew in LoD was named Xhalth, while her son's name is Xlaph. I think you got those two mixed up.
Thank you DDH, I didn't recall any discrepancy, hence the request for a page number.
The Daemonfey need to just stick with simple names. "Look here comes little Gilbert, the Daemonfey about to eviscerate me." |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 20:09:38
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The Daemonfey need to just stick with simple names. "Look here comes little Gilbert, the Daemonfey about to eviscerate me."
But, but, but ... you loose the mood by using more common names. ;-)
"Gilbert coming to make giblets of me." |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 20:16:39
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Originally posted by Kentinal
But, but, but ... you loose the mood by using more common names. ;-)
"Gilbert coming to make giblets of me."
At least I didn't use Dilbert.
Has anyone used the Daemonfey in their campaign world? If so, details? |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 01:46:28
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by DDH_101
It did indeed talk about Sarya's newphew in LoD. However, the newphew in LoD was named Xhalth, while her son's name is Xlaph. I think you got those two mixed up.
Thank you DDH, I didn't recall any discrepancy, hence the request for a page number.
The Daemonfey need to just stick with simple names. "Look here comes little Gilbert, the Daemonfey about to eviscerate me."
Per Lords of Darkness Sarya and her Nephew are the only living half-fiend members of House Dlardrageth.
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Page 126 of Lords of Darkness:
"Only two half-fiends remain of the Dlardrageth clan, Sarya and her nephew Xhalth. Baron Xhalth used to harbor plans of unseating his aunt as the leader of the Daemonfey, until he saw her kill her own son Ryvvik without hesitation.)"
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 02:29:16
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| Well, perhaps Xhalph came after teh entry in Lord of Darkness. After all, when LoD was written Forsaken House wasn't written yet. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 02:36:57
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, perhaps Xhalph came after teh entry in Lord of Darkness. After all, when LoD was written Forsaken House wasn't written yet.
I think Rich Baker did answer the question on the WotC boards, I will have to try and dig for his answer. But I think he said it was an error on information allocation or something like that.
Also I think it is a bit particular that Xhalph and Xhalth would both be 4 armed. Since Xhalth was described in Hellgate Keep as 4-armed I think. Don't have that book, but on the FR NPC Thread on the WotC boards, the guy that made 3E stats for Sarya and Xhalth has him as a 4-armed half-fiend gold elf.
Will do some digging and hopefully be able to bring more information. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 02:54:14
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Found it. Is it in this thread http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=282525&page=15&pp=30
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Dear Richard
1. Do the serpent deities in the Serpent Kingdoms book have their own plane or do they reside in an existing plane ?
2. In a recent article you wrote, Xhalph Dlardrageth is the son of Sarya, but yet the Lords of Darkness and Cloak and Dagger mention him as the nephew. Which is it ?
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Richard Baker 12-06-04, 12:10 PM MST
One of the nice things about the FR cosmology is that it's infinitely expandable. Because no particular plane is "the" LE or LN or NE plane, there's no reason you can't create godly domains to your heart's content. So, I'd be inclined to take a never-before-extensively-detailed pantheon and give 'em their own plane. Eric Boyd might have some thoughts on where they ought to go, though, and I'd be interested to hear what he thinks.
RE: Xhalph, I just crossed up the reference in Forsaken House, but I'm stuck with it for the duration of my series. So in the Last Mythal at least, Xhalph is Sarya's son. My bad.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 03:31:01
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| Hmm... I assumed they were two different characters as they had different names. Oh well, it's not that big of a deal. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 04:33:04
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Hmm... I assumed they were two different characters as they had different names. Oh well, it's not that big of a deal.
Quite True, just it is a bit ol thorn in the side for those of us that try to stay true to the original material for most things. A slip up in a novel can be quite aggravating.
Kinda like in one military sci-fi series I read, in one book, the opposing force was Dreadnoughts, in the next book when they are doing the afterbattle reports, those ships got upgraded to Super Dreadnoughts. 
Getting back to the Fey'ri, with the powers given to them in general, the standard stock is Succubi, and sides if you are going to make love to a demon, wouldn't you generally try to find one that tends to be physically appealing? |
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DDH_101
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 06:30:21
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But warlocko, in this case, it's not about sex appeal or physical features. The whole point of House Dlragleth (sp?) mating with demons was to make them stronger and more powerful. This was their ultimate objective even to this day...
To the daemonfey, mating with demons is not for pleasure, but it's only to reproduce powerful offspring. After all, Sarya had mated with a glabrezu which she didn't particulary like, but did it because she knew the demon was powerful. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 11:17:48
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Originally posted by DDH_101
But warlocko, in this case, it's not about sex appeal or physical features. The whole point of House Dlragleth (sp?) mating with demons was to make them stronger and more powerful. This was their ultimate objective even to this day...
Nah, all of that's just a front. It was about the sex appeal. 
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To the daemonfey, mating with demons is not for pleasure, but it's only to reproduce powerful offspring. After all, Sarya had mated with a glabrezu which she didn't particulary like, but did it because she knew the demon was powerful.
She didn't like him because the four arms made him "grabby". |
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warlockco
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 05:09:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by DDH_101
To the daemonfey, mating with demons is not for pleasure, but it's only to reproduce powerful offspring. After all, Sarya had mated with a glabrezu which she didn't particulary like, but did it because she knew the demon was powerful.
She didn't like him because the four arms made him "grabby".
LOL. I can see just see a book like this appear in the Realms now:
Volo's Guide to Faerunian Pleasures - Article XXV: Do four-armed creatures make better lovers? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 05:52:17
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by DDH_101
To the daemonfey, mating with demons is not for pleasure, but it's only to reproduce powerful offspring. After all, Sarya had mated with a glabrezu which she didn't particulary like, but did it because she knew the demon was powerful.
She didn't like him because the four arms made him "grabby".
LOL. I can see just see a book like this appear in the Realms now:
Volo's Guide to Faerunian Pleasures - Article XXV: Do four-armed creatures make better lovers?
That book would seel quite well, I'm sure.  |
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