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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
 Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 05:46:21
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I don't really know what the outrage here is. It was revealed several months ago that Eberron would be the home of D&D Online, and I for one am not remotely surprised at their avoidance of the Realms as a setting.
"If I didn't know any better, I'd say that Eberron is the Forgotten Realms of this generation -- the sort of default, definitive D&D milieu." It's not an offensive comment, except that the author somehow suggests that he does, indeed, know better, and then reveals that he doesn't, in fact, know that Eberron is not the Forgotten Realms of anything. It's the Eberron of this generation, and it's going to take a very, very long time before Eberron earns anything like the place the Realms have. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 06:07:00
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
it's going to take a very, very long time before Eberron earns anything like the place the Realms have.
Exactly, and gracias for saying that.
When Eberron has been around half as long as the Realms then the superlatives can begin.
When it has authors writing novels that end up on the New York times best selling list, then call me.
Until then..... |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 06:23:05
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| Is Eberron any good? I would like some opinions on what the rest of you think about it before I make any stupid decisions with my money... |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 09:14:54
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If it stops you buying FR products then it's baaaaaaad.  
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 12:19:08
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| DDH - see the Eberron thread in WotC Releases section. It's a long read, though. |
Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 12:42:58
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Originally posted by Sarelle
DDH - see the Eberron thread in WotC Releases section. It's a long read, though.
Lead him not into temptation Sarelle!
For all those who follow the False Campaign settings will be punished when the day of reckoning comes! |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 13:53:41
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Sarelle
DDH - see the Eberron thread in WotC Releases section. It's a long read, though.
Lead him not into temptation Sarelle!
For all those who follow the False Campaign settings will be punished when the day of reckoning comes!
 "false"? hehehe. There is only one true campaign setting eh Dargoth |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 14:11:10
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Sarelle
DDH - see the Eberron thread in WotC Releases section. It's a long read, though.
Lead him not into temptation Sarelle!
For all those who follow the False Campaign settings will be punished when the day of reckoning comes!
Aww! Can't I just lead him astray, a LITTLE? |
Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 14:14:47
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Is Eberron any good? I would like some opinions on what the rest of you think about it before I make any stupid decisions with my money...
Try this forum. It has some familiar faces and active threads in which you can ask specific questions regarding the setting. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 18:20:30
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| Look whose leading him astray NOW! If he's a convert, we're all doomed. |
Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 19:08:29
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Originally posted by George Krashos
If it stops you buying FR products then it's baaaaaaad.
-- George Krashos
Surely, George, the problem isn't that it stops people buying FR products. It's that it stops Wizards, (or whatever they're called this month), from producing FR products.
It could be argued, I suppose, that the two things are pretty much the same. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 19:26:42
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Originally posted by Sarelle
Look whose leading him astray NOW! If he's a convert, we're all doomed.
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2004 : 23:10:27
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| House Sivis will be posting some FAQ's soon at the link above, from Sirius, for Worlds. You will find a few familiar faces putting the Eberron information together. |
"Hurling himself upon his enemies, he terrified them with slaughter!"
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium
Candlekeep proverb: If a thing is said often enough, fools aplenty will believe it to be true. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2004 : 04:15:40
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Ahhh!!! Eberron, Forgotten Realms! Too hard to choose my loyalty for!
(Uncontrollable right hand reachs out for Eberron Campaign setting...) |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2004 : 05:18:02
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Originally posted by kahonen
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Originally posted by George Krashos
If it stops you buying FR products then it's baaaaaaad.
-- George Krashos
Surely, George, the problem isn't that it stops people buying FR products. It's that it stops Wizards, (or whatever they're called this month), from producing FR products.
It could be argued, I suppose, that the two things are pretty much the same.
Oh, most definitely...
But we should remain vigilant nonetheless. We should take every opportunity to promote the wealth of material that supports such a setting as the Realms... If only to remind those who will now come to believe Eberron is the center of the D&D universe... that the Realms was there, first.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2004 : 06:04:57
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Ahhh!!! Eberron, Forgotten Realms! Too hard to choose my loyalty for!
(Uncontrollable right hand reachs out for Eberron Campaign setting...)
You want the Chainsaw Gringo? |
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Panador
Acolyte
Austria
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Posted - 07 Aug 2004 : 06:37:59
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Hm, Eberron as the D&D-Online setting...? Didn't know about it until now and I'm a bit surprised - a MMORPG is a massive and risky project and I would have it would play in the well-established and well-known Realms instead of a new setting that has yet to gain it's community.
Weird decision, it seems they really have high hopes for Eberron. I would have loved to play MMORPG set in the Realms, walk up and down the Sword Coast, travel to Icewind Dale, Cormyr, Calimsham, Sembia or even Kara-Tur or as a Shadow Adept to Shade Enclave or explore the Underdark and play as a drow in Menzoberranzan... damn, endless and tempting possibilities and they don't use the Realms as the setting...  . To put it mildly I'm disappointed. |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2004 : 12:04:12
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Originally posted by Panador
Hm, Eberron as the D&D-Online setting...? Weird decision, it seems they really have high hopes for Eberron. I would have loved to play MMORPG set in the Realms, walk up and down the Sword Coast, travel to Icewind Dale, Cormyr, Calimsham, Sembia or even Kara-Tur or as a Shadow Adept to Shade Enclave or explore the Underdark and play as a drow in Menzoberranzan... damn, endless and tempting possibilities and they don't use the Realms as the setting... . To put it mildly I'm disappointed.
It makes perfect sense to use Eberron. Let's face it, using FR would be a huge undertaking because there is so much canon material which would have to be implemented. Imagine the hassle they would get if the on-line version of Shadowdale didn't have the right number of cottages.
Using Eberron means that the programmers can literally make it up as they go along - material from the on-line world will then appear as canon in the Eberron books. |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2004 : 12:21:04
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In fact, thinking about this some more:
At the moment we have a small amount of material from the Realms being used in such things as Baldur's Gate, NWN etc. More often that not, people playing the games who know nothing about actual D&D, are impressed when they see how much more detailed and realistic the source books are. I know an awful lot of players who started this way.
With Eberron, this could be very different. Players of the PC based game may buy source books and realise they aren't actually getting any more than the on-line game and look elsewhere.
Any thoughts on this? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 09 Aug 2004 : 13:01:31
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Originally posted by kahonen
Using Eberron means that the programmers can literally make it up as they go along - material from the on-line world will then appear as canon in the Eberron books.
Possibly not-a MMORPG requires different things from its setting then the area it is set in can provide(Xen'drik does not lend itself to MMORPGs readily), according to canon.
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Originally posted by kahonen
With Eberron, this could be very different. Players of the PC based game may buy source books and realise they aren't actually getting any more than the on-line game and look elsewhere.
Again, not likely so, considering how much the MMORPG and canon will have to fork.
EDIT: More details have appeared. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2004 : 13:23:12
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Originally posted by Arivia
EDIT: More details have appeared.
Thanks for the link.
The following from the article said it all for this consumer.
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D&D Online, we were told, will be a very action-driven game
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 03:14:43
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The following from the article said it all for this consumer.
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D&D Online, we were told, will be a very action-driven game
It's a MMORPG, what were you expecting? Personally I'm glad that it's not using the Realms. Call me cynical but I also wonder whether the project will see the light of days, as has been mentioned, MMORPGs are risky and cost vast amounts of money. Many planned ones have been canned for various reasons, often lack of money. Warhammer Online hit this problem in the last month or two. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 05:18:36
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Originally posted by Reefy
It's a MMORPG, what were you expecting?
Nothing more and nothing less. |
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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2004 : 04:13:01
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
it's going to take a very, very long time before Eberron earns anything like the place the Realms have.
Exactly, and gracias for saying that.
When Eberron has been around half as long as the Realms then the superlatives can begin.
When it has authors writing novels that end up on the New York times best selling list, then call me.
Until then.....
Well.... they are starting a novel line for Eberron.... 
I'll stick with my FR novels though.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2004 : 04:29:25
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Originally posted by Darth KTrava
Well.... they are starting a novel line for Eberron....
Yep, I know. Hence the second part of that statement. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Aug 2004 : 05:58:55
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Darth KTrava
Well.... they are starting a novel line for Eberron....
Yep, I know. Hence the second part of that statement.
Well, I finally won an auction for a copy of the Eberron sourcebook, and I did it for under $20 (including shipping!), so I get to take a look at this other place. If I like the setting, I *may* try a novel or two... |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2004 : 15:16:31
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
Oh you have no time for Eberron tomes, Wooly Rupert
Whats that on your desk?! An unfinished tome of Realmslore? Mayhaps you had better get back to that instead 
No worries, Big Al. The Realms will always be the first priority. In fact, I just won eBay auctions for two FR boxed sets I don't have.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2004 : 16:02:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
No worries, Big Al. The Realms will always be the first priority. In fact, I just won eBay auctions for two FR boxed sets I don't have.
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The Outrage!!!
Now that sounds familiar...