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mikeburwell
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 17:12:54
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I have an idea for a campagin, however I need all your help. Mostly, you are all more knowledgeable about the Realms than I. Now I know this idea changes how this group operates, and it risks causing sweeping changes throughout the Realms.
The Premise or core idea is that Tordynnar Rhaevaern, the Balenorn Blad Lord of the Eldreth Veluuthra, is about to see that one of his oldes plans is about to succeed. Unbeknownst to anyone he has been working for centuries to cause a small community (or several communities) to be swayed toward the views of the Eldreth Veluuthra. Through the use of causing raids on the elven communties that cah be blamed on the humans. Once these communities are ready a charismatic elf would show up teling everyone how it was all the hmans fault.
Eventualy this elf would be able to unite these communities. Basicly eventualy forming a small alliance or country that would grow and start to become militristic, and try to cause the extinction, or enslavemt of humaity.
For those of a historical bent, I am sort of patterning this on Hitler's rise to power and what he eventualy did. Only I am setting this in the Realms, and using elves. Grantinted using elves means that everyhting is slowed down and would take longer, as they might plan it better.
I would hope to have the heroes (the PCs), eventuly be able to stop it, or at least help in stopping this evil. I would start small. Perhaps with the PCs in a small human villiage that is attacked by orcs. Some of the orcs dying cureses lead the PCs to think that maybe someone tricked the orcs into raiding. Several more Orc attacks on surrounding villiages, each getting worse. Eventualy one of these attacks might have an elf with them, or one of the orcs is wearing a symbol that relates to the Eldreth Veluuthra - hence eventualy leading the PCs to belive that the Eldreth Veluuthra (once they find out who they are) are causing orcs to raid and destroy human villiages.
Now you are all wondering what I want from you. First off I would like any suggestions as to where to start this small elf community or communties that would join the Eldreths Veluuthra.
Second, I would like and constructive critisms. Suggestions on how to make it better. Sow me what I am doing correct, what I might be screwing up, etc.
So, in otherwards I am beging for help! 
Thanks!  
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Sanavin
Acolyte
Finland
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 23:38:16
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Few points I would consider in the plan, now that I looked up some facts about Eldreth Veluuthra. (Though, don't murder me if I get something wrong, as I am going by 3rd Ed Lord of Darkness here.)
Firstly, as EV is really much about this group of elves trying to cause as much harm as possible to humans. Now, while this truly is the goal, I wouldn't think they would abandon too much their own principles that go even further back time than this hatred of humans. Namely, this means associating with orcs... very unlikely to happen. So, PC's might not be called to stop a band of orcs terrorizing a village. Well, at least not on behalf of the EV.
From what I could glean from LoD, EV doesn't have any real allies on which to call provide this sort of help. And they are mentioned to be associating with any particular group of personnel. So, where to find this helpful cannon fodder which you could use to buffer the human villages and bug heroes with... it might be worth a chance to just browse monsters and find some suitably low powered critters, whose community might be destroyed and the creatures themselves displaced by a group of EV members. It's like, there's this horde of lowly, relatively weak critters that are now pointed to direction of human settlements and let go. Or maybe they just frisk out dead humans out of graves and set these skeletons and zombies on the villages.
As for possible regions... LoD gives out few areas that have seen EV members around. Mainly, places that are former elven territories but deserted now due to Elven Retreat. A load of places in the Heartlands and the North, just a pick a large forest in those parts. Though, Chondalwood (south of Chessenta) is also mentioned. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2004 : 21:09:57
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Uluuth Phlarenn, using a tactic that the humans use on them is a twist they would be sure to use. Albite a simple one. As for the orcs, I am not sure they would directly work for the Cleansing Blade, I would have them work through and intermediate and then onto the Eldreth Veluuthra. This also slows down any attempts on a fast strike against the snakes head. As for locations I would place it in a forest near or in Tethyr, don't remember any names right now, since much bad blood have been shed between elvens and humans here during the decades. Also an unsuspecting place would be a nice touch to it as well as for example Cormyr, their good standing with elves might have the Eldreth Veluutrha see them as an even better target to show the elves true strenght for the pitful humans.
Just a couple of ideas, do with them as you please. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2004 : 23:03:38
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Interesting campaign ideas mikeburwell.
I think what has been said about EV not directly associating with orcs is the main point for consideration. They might in extreme circumstances, but I think Hymn's idea of them subcontracting a group that has no such qualms is the best way to involve orcs.
As for the settlement, it is very difficult. Most elven settlements are good-aligned. Proud, racist Gold elves like Kymil Nimesin (you should read Evermeet: Island of Elves if you haven't already) would be the primary targets for the EV, and they don't tend to gather anywhere but Evermeet, really, where they can stay away from humans.
If you don't want to make up your own, as I would, Moonrise Hill of Deepingdale is described as "standoffish".
I did some stuff of the EV a while ago, and one of their primary tactics would be to assassinate both human leaders/well-loved people (as well as decapitating human industry/politics, this could be used to get those humans who loved/respected the victim to lash out at elves, who would turn against the humans), and, very occasionally, elves (and then set it it up so the blame is on the humans - they'd mainly assassinate human-friendly moon elves, or, much better, elf society half-elves). |
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mikeburwell
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 24 Jul 2004 : 00:33:59
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All the ideas and suggestions sound great. The only reason I suggested the Orcs is in Lords of Darkness where it talks about the EV it mentions that the EV may have been the cause of some orcs and human problems. I do like the iea of using yet another intermediary between the EV and the Orcs. Any suggestions on who would make a good intermediary?
Tethyr sounds like an approriate place to put this. As I was hoping for a place with some bad blood between the two groups in the past.
Also, it mentions that the EV venerates the Elven Pantheon (naturaly). However, the EV has no clerics because the Elven dieties do not seem to support them - not that the EV could be convinced of that. I would like to make sure I have some enemy clerics in the elven ranks. So does anyone have any suggestions of dieties that ,ight support the EV, and that the EV would accept? I was thinking possibly Fenmarel Mestarine, or Shevarash.
Can anyone think of anything else that i may be missing?
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2004 : 12:49:15
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Shevarash definitely, but not Fenmarel - he protects elven outcasts, like half-elves, who the EV look down on (or in the case of half-elves, kill).
But... I've said it before and I'll say it again. I believe Corellon wouldn't deny an EV elf - who was true to his People - prayers. I just ignore 1-step rules. But LoD does specifically say that, so I don't know. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Jul 2004 : 19:08:31
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Originally posted by Sarelle
Shevarash definitely, but not Fenmarel - he protects elven outcasts, like half-elves, who the EV look down on (or in the case of half-elves, kill).
But... I've said it before and I'll say it again. I believe Corellon wouldn't deny an EV elf - who was true to his People - prayers. I just ignore 1-step rules. But LoD does specifically say that, so I don't know.
Perhaps Corellon doesn't support them because he disagrees with their goals. I mean, is it really being true to your people when your goal is the slaughter of a race that could either ally with yours (and has in the past), or, if you irk them too much, wipe your race out? |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2004 : 21:19:30
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Originally posted by mikeburwell
I do like the iea of using yet another intermediary between the EV and the Orcs. Any suggestions on who would make a good intermediary?
Also, it mentions that the EV venerates the Elven Pantheon (naturaly). However, the EV has no clerics because the Elven dieties do not seem to support them - not that the EV could be convinced of that. I would like to make sure I have some enemy clerics in the elven ranks. So does anyone have any suggestions of dieties that ,ight support the EV, and that the EV would accept? I was thinking possibly Fenmarel Mestarine, or Shevarash.
Hmm, as for the group/ or persone for intermediating I would just make up one, since they do not have a known list of allies. Ah just remembered a good "allie" that would fit, drow. They have the right connections to get their hands on some orcs, either just take some slaves or do it in another fashion. They also hates humans and are known to have been working with the EV now and then.
Hmm, as for the clerical question I read about this somewhere but cant remember where. Rummages through a few scrolls on his desk and his face shines up in a victorious smile "ah here it is":
http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0006C&L=realms-l&D=0&P=21364
You might find that discussion intersting.
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Edited by - Hymn on 24 Jul 2004 21:24:50 |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 01:19:45
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Originally posted by Hymn
Ah just remembered a good "allie" that would fit, drow. They have the right connections to get their hands on some orcs, either just take some slaves or do it in another fashion. They also hates humans and are known to have been working with the EV now and then.
What sources have you come across that have the drow and EV working together? |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 12:37:06
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
What sources have you come across that have the drow and EV working together?
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Code of the Harpers, page 121.
They are no friends of drow, but they will cooperate with them against humans.
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Sauro moki kara ochiro - Even monkeys falls from trees.
The path that leads to truth is littered with the bodies of the ignorant - Miyamoto Musashi |
Edited by - Hymn on 25 Jul 2004 12:37:52 |
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Sanavin
Acolyte
Finland
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Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 14:59:56
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Curious that bit, as LoD says on page 133:
",for Eldreth Veluuthra hates dark elves nearly as much as it loathes humans, despite the shared social views of both groups."
I guess that that hate is not enough to stop cooperation, then. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 15:13:05
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Originally posted by Sanavin
Curious that bit, as LoD says on page 133:
",for Eldreth Veluuthra hates dark elves nearly as much as it loathes humans, despite the shared social views of both groups."
I guess that that hate is not enough to stop cooperation, then.
Ay strange indeed, I guess it's more or less due to which Blade Lord one serves under. |
Sauro moki kara ochiro - Even monkeys falls from trees.
The path that leads to truth is littered with the bodies of the ignorant - Miyamoto Musashi |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 16:56:22
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Originally posted by Hymn
Ay strange indeed, I guess it's more or less due to which Blade Lord one serves under.
Thanks for the Code of Harpers reference. The wording made me recall something in Cloak & Dagger on page 63
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they [EV] cooperate with the Ssri'Tel'Quessir against humans. Increasing activity by the followers of Vhaeraun in territories guarded by the Eldreth suggests that such alliances will become increasingly common.
So, there you go as far as some more seeds for potential allies.
Thanks again Hymn.
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Sanavin
Acolyte
Finland
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Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 18:32:58
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Ah, then indeed does EV operate with drows, Vhaeraunites. I wonder why doesn't LoD mention it at all, naming EV's allies to be mostly occasional sun elves, with some wild or wood elves in the mix.
And thanks to that being uncovered, there's new options for the plot. Though, I am now thinking, what could EV be offering to a drow or a group of drow to get their services. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 18:45:04
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Originally posted by Sanavin
Ah, then indeed does EV operate with drows, Vhaeraunites. I wonder why doesn't LoD mention it at all, naming EV's allies to be mostly occasional sun elves, with some wild or wood elves in the mix.
And thanks to that being uncovered, there's new options for the plot. Though, I am now thinking, what could EV be offering to a drow or a group of drow to get their services.
It's worth noting that I have yet to see any novel mention any tie even in passing between any drow and the EV.
Personally, I just don't see it. But, to each his/her own in a campaign. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 23:27:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Perhaps Corellon doesn't support them because he disagrees with their goals. I mean, is it really being true to your people when your goal is the slaughter of a race that could either ally with yours (and has in the past), or, if you irk them too much, wipe your race out?
I suppose. It certainly isn't the best scenario to demonstrate the illogicalness of the 1-step rule.
But I do think that Corellon would have less personal views on the in-warring of the elves, and would hold the survival of his People paramount. He has been shown as a mite arrogant in the past, and is essentially a sun elf deity. But he is good. I guess the answer is up to each individual here.
Angharradh on the other hand, of Moon Elves, and who stands up for the underdog, would be against them, as would her three component goddesses. |
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SoulLord
Seeker
Mexico
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Posted - 26 Jul 2004 : 18:18:46
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Elves have very long lifespans so for a plan to destroy im thinking of this
-With small comunities they could just go in and try to slaughter everyone leaving no witnesses.
-On bigger communities to try to destroy they could try to use envy to destroy a community from within.
* perhaps at random selecting one family to receive elven boons making it notorious the rest of the community wont be happy for the special attention the other family gets to the point (always excarberated by the elves) if the comunity starts to react in a violent way they provide dangerous magic to the family so they can dfend themselves from their jealous neighbors by any means nesesary. If the comunity doesnt seem to react in a violent manner perhaps one day they just stop giving the favored family their boons and start to give it to another family at random. the previous family would lose positiona nd influence due to this and might try to recover it by any means nesesary. If this still doesnt work perhaps they can offer a dangerous competition among the comunity to gain the elven favor for a season. pehaps retrieve x amulet from the forest guaredd by monsters anithing goes hoping to make the comunity more and more violent toward themselves.
-While defending elven territories perhaps they can leave a way for monsters to retreat which incidentally leads to human settlements
just some toughts
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