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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 03:01:43
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Ive always been curious but all i see are books by the same guy and all he writes about is drizzit. Im just fed up with elves (you can keep your age and stuff i still have my axe) well anyways i was wondering is their any good books about any dwarven civilization that i could find i really want one?
(i will thrust my dwarven axe into your elvish head, HA you may have your low light vision but i can see in the dark beat that)
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on second thought lets not go to candlekeep it is a silly place |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 03:20:45
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| To my knowledge, no FR book has focused primarily on dwarves or a dwarven civilization. Some FR books have dwarf characters. If you wish a list of them, let the scribes here know. |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 03:46:23
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Oddly enough I got a lot of info on dwarven culture from the author of the Drizzt novels.
Not a ton, but some. maybe other s dislike the way he treats dwarven culture, but I found it enlightening. |
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 04:02:26
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i didn't find his books interesting at all i mean its kinda bland and it deals mainly with Drow and elves (can't stand either) but i think they should start focusing on the other races
Dwarves
Halflings
Gnomes
Or any combination of the three it would make a good book (by combination i mean party not actual halfdwarfs.) |
on second thought lets not go to candlekeep it is a silly place |
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Dantrag
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 04:11:07
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| Dwarves, halflings, and gnomes together? I don't like were this is going. |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 04:25:25
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Hmm, wonder if we are talking about th4e same series...
Later in it, there is a lot of dwarven events, wit hchapters and chapters being about variuous humans and dwarves. Especially in one, where I believe an entire half of the book was the adventures of a human barbarian and his rogue companion. I loved that one a lot, maybe because I was always a Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser fn. |
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 04:27:55
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Originally posted by brjr2001
i didn't find his books interesting at all i mean its kinda bland and it deals mainly with Drow and elves (can't stand either) but i think they should start focusing on the other races
Dwarves
Halflings
Gnomes
Or any combination of the three it would make a good book (by combination i mean party not actual halfdwarfs.)
I've heard this call before for a series focusing on one of the three races that you've mentioned. For some reason, WOTC has never started down that path in their publishing history. There must be a reason. |
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Dantrag
Learned Scribe
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 04:31:14
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| That's because they don't go together... dwarves, gnomes, and halflings basically hate each other. |
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 05:12:33
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That's because they don't go together... dwarves, gnomes, and halflings basically hate each other
actually that is not true
ahhhh hmmmm
this is in the race part of your players handbook
"Dwarves get along fine with gnomes and passably with humans, half elves and halflings" pg 14
"Gnomes get along well with dwarves, who share thier love of precious objects, thier curiosity about mechanical devices, and thier hatred of goblins and giants. They enjoy the company of halflings, especially ones that are easygoing enough to put up with pranks and jests." pg 17
"Halflings try to get along with everyone else. They are adept at fitting into a community of humans, dwarfs, elces, or gnomes and making themselves valuable and welcome." pg 19
ok have we learned a lesson here.
if not ill tell you what you should learn, don't try to make a comment without backing it up with knowledge |
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 05:14:13
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 06:15:01
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You know, that has some potential... Do a novel about the Great Rift, but do it like Evermeet: Island of Elves...
It'd be really cool to see the dwarves reacting to the Thunder Blessing. |
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 06:29:25
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| exactly Wooly Rupert that be cool |
on second thought lets not go to candlekeep it is a silly place |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 07:35:36
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brjr, I really don't know what you're talking about, because "Thousand Orcs" and "The Lone Drow" are 95% about dwarves... They keep putting Drizzt on the cover of that series because Drizzt is good for sales, but if you would have read those books past their covers you would know right now that this last trilogy written by RAS is all about dwarves. And it has a gnome in it too. And humans. And two Moon Elves. And a halfling...
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 08:34:04
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sorry i read thousand orcs those books i found that it centered on a battle that i though was bland and not very interesting
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on second thought lets not go to candlekeep it is a silly place |
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The Wanderer
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 12:44:06
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Actually, there is a set of novels dedicated to Dwarves. Unfortunately, they take place in another Sphere (DragonLance). It is called the Dwarven Nations Trilogy. They did make for a very good read.
I myself would love to see a series of novels in Toril with either Dwarves or Gnomes (or both) in Center Stage (halflings I am ambivalent about). I like the Dwarven way of life, and novels that describe their culture would be extremely nice to have.
The Gnomes have their curiosity and their inventions, so I can see a lot of room for stories. Perhaps some brave author will decide to write about them someday. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 12:47:56
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Originally posted by brjr2001
Ive always been curious but all i see are books by the same guy and all he writes about is drizzit. Im just fed up with elves (you can keep your age and stuff i still have my axe) well anyways i was wondering is their any good books about any dwarven civilization that i could find i really want one?
(i will thrust my dwarven axe into your elvish head, HA you may have your low light vision but i can see in the dark beat that)
Aside from the Dwarves Deep tome (which is probably the best source for all things Faerunian Dwarf), there are no novels that primarily focus on the dwarves as a civilization.
Of course, this is only the case if you are limiting yourself to stories that take place within the lands of Faerun. TSR/WotC have published other novels for alternate worlds that feature the dwarves as their primary focus. Dragonlance would be my first suggestion. Stories that have taken place before, during, and after the Chaos War, are good examples of the type of novel you are looking for...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 12:50:43
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Originally posted by Anubis
It is called the Dwarven Nations Trilogy. They did make for a very good read.
Another excellent suggestion, especially if the reader is none too particular about reading novels that are not purely Realms based. Perhaps I should have included a mention of this trilogy in my earlier post.
Oh well...
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 15:25:38
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What are they thinking? Dwarves are a money maker, and they should do at least a trilogy based on them.
Realistically, dwarves are too often used as comic relief, which is fine when two cultures clash, but no one has given them a chance. RAS overall does them justice, but too often his characters fall into the comic relief category. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 16:04:11
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Originally posted by hammer of Moradin
What are they thinking? Dwarves are a money maker, and they should do at least a trilogy based on them.
Well, WOTC must feel differently about dwarves being money makers otherwise they certainly would have published a novel/trilogy focusing on them by now. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 16:06:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I liked Elaine Cunningham's dwarven characters... 
So did I. I also like the dwarf that's part of the motley group in The Rage. |
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The Wanderer
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 16:51:15
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I also like the dwarf that's part of the motley group in The Rage.
IMO, he did not stand out that much since he did not get a lot of "screen time" in the book. It would be interesting to hear more about his culture and how he came to be with the band. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 17:15:36
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Originally posted by Anubis
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I also like the dwarf that's part of the motley group in The Rage.
IMO, he did not stand out that much since he did not get a lot of "screen time" in the book. It would be interesting to hear more about his culture and how he came to be with the band.
I have to agree with Anubis on this one. |
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Karesch
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 17:44:08
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I'm just getting into reading the realms novels now, I've probably only read a half dozen so far, however, I think it would be nice to see some come out about dwarven society, and truely focus on the great rift, and so events that occur around it. And perhaps a trilogy or two on the losses of all the great dwarven keeps... those could be enjoyable I think. However, my main reason for this post is this. Why don't a few people who are really interested in seeing some novels about dwarves work together to create some story boards, perhaps a couple of plot lines, some main characters, and then either work together to develop a realms novel, or offer up what you've made to one of the realms novel authors, and ask them if they'd like to use it to write a novel or two... or three.. lol.
Just a suggestion, but perhaps if you could offer them some developed characters, a plotline and such, they'd be able to look over it and just take off with a novel.
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 18:17:09
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| Kareschi absolutly belive what you just said it would be nice if some of our fellow candlekeep members try to create a story based on such a Great race known as Dwarfs |
on second thought lets not go to candlekeep it is a silly place |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 18:40:50
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Originally posted by Anubis
IMO, he did not stand out that much since he did not get a lot of "screen time" in the book. It would be interesting to hear more about his culture and how he came to be with the band.
Perhaps in a future book before a dragon eats him as an appetizer, the reader will find out this information. |
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Karesch
Learned Scribe
Canada
199 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 18:46:24
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Originally posted by brjr2001
Kareschi absolutly belive what you just said it would be nice if some of our fellow candlekeep members try to create a story based on such a Great race known as Dwarfs
well, my knowledge on dwarves is limited, so I can't offer much more than the idea, but seeing as your the eager one bringing up the desire, perhaps you could lead the charge on starting something? start a thread in the novels section of candlekeep and see if you can get some likeminded people with fair knowledge of dwarves to work with you to create such things Brjr.
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Knowledge is power... power corrupts... knowledge corrupts? hmm...
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Dantrag
Learned Scribe
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 18:51:54
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| Dwarves are nothing but brass nuckles, and brass brains. You are right,though, dwarves don't really have a book of their own...the authors really don't write about one race by themselves... |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 19:13:39
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| I'm interested in dwarf societies, but not as foreground. I'd love to see novels with more dwarves in adventuring companies, even a whole dwarven brotherhood (adventuring band, see FR11 Dwarves Deep p. 14); or a novel focusing on Gauntlgrym or Tethyamar. But I'd rather those places were treated in sourcebook or adventure form, and I wish the Arcane Age line hadn't prematuredly ended and had instead given us a Delzoun book. |
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The Wanderer
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 19:15:01
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Perhaps in a future book before a dragon eats him as an appetizer, the reader will find out this information.
Hmm... Dwarf popsicle.
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Originally posted by Karesch
Why don't a few people who are really interested in seeing some novels about dwarves work together to create some story boards, perhaps a couple of plot lines, some main characters, and then either work together to develop a realms novel, or offer up what you've made to one of the realms novel authors, and ask them if they'd like to use it to write a novel or two... or three.. lol.
That would be an interesting project. Perhaps the founding of one of the dwarven kingdoms would make a nice plot? Speaking of which... what are the major populations of dwarves in the realms? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2004 : 19:19:32
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Originally posted by Anubis
Hmm... Dwarf popsicle.
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