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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 05:23:37
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I'm sure it is being done - in-house as we speak. The problem is that with only 3 or so FR products a year (aside from novels) it takes a lot of time to ret-con stuff - especially when you have to juggle with competing interests - such as showcasing new areas and lore that haven't been done before.
I can see WotC deciding to do a big Cormyr product sometime in the future (but likely in a 2006+ timeframe) - especially with the novels set there both in the past and recently.
But don't forget, there are many FR fans who don't want to see Cormyr "again" but are screaming out for Lantan, or the Bloodstone Lands, or the Border Kingdoms, or ... well, you get my drift. They'll get there, it's just going to take a while.
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3catcircus
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Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 03:40:23
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm sure it is being done - in-house as we speak. The problem is that with only 3 or so FR products a year (aside from novels) it takes a lot of time to ret-con stuff - especially when you have to juggle with competing interests - such as showcasing new areas and lore that haven't been done before.
I can see WotC deciding to do a big Cormyr product sometime in the future (but likely in a 2006+ timeframe) - especially with the novels set there both in the past and recently.
But don't forget, there are many FR fans who don't want to see Cormyr "again" but are screaming out for Lantan, or the Bloodstone Lands, or the Border Kingdoms, or ... well, you get my drift. They'll get there, it's just going to take a while.
-- George Krashos
The thing that would concern me is the "ret-con" involved in such an undertaking. While 1ed/2ed wasn't perfect, I get the feeling that not all of the people involved in 3.x Forgotten Realms products have taken the time and effort necessary to do things correctly. Questioning blatant errors in realmslore has mostly (at least as far as I can tell) been met with either silence or "we meant to do that." If WoTC can't afford to maintain a staff for their flagship product (D&D), perhaps it is time to license non-core products to a 3rd party. I'd love to see what would happen if Ed Greenwood were to lead a group of, say, people like Scott Bennie, Steve Schend, Tom Costa, Jeff Grubb, etc. in a non-Hasbro-controlled product - I'd pay $100+ for a nicely-bound several hundred page almanac / atlas of the realms...
As to the "...current batch of writers..." doing a "...fine job...", perhaps I'll be starting to rant, but I simply don't see that all of them are doing an acceptable job - many are, a few aren't. The biggest offender - well - I can't accept the arguments for the Tree cosmology (even given Ed's pre-D&D cosmology set-up) - which I see as the most egregious ret-con for the worse. The argument of "same as it ever was, you just didn't know it" is incredibly weak, especially considering that 1ed/2ed realmslore clearly indicated that the Tree planes are nothing more than realms (i.e. neighborhoods) contained within the Great Wheel planes. It seems that the only reason to invalidate 20 or so years' worth of gaming materials was on a whim or "because thats the way it was before D&D." Granted, it isn't all the fault of the writers - the editors have a lot to do with it as well. Part of me says "3.x D&D in general, and FR in particular is the result of what happens when you let all of your creative staff go and your technical support people are given the opportunity the become creative staff." The other part of me recognizes that 3.x sells because the current generation of players has grown up on the nintendo-power-up-style of rpg where min-maxing and stats are more important than the storyline. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 05:32:31
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Originally posted by 3catcircus
The other part of me recognizes that 3.x sells because the current generation of players has grown up on the nintendo-power-up-style of rpg where min-maxing and stats are more important than the storyline.
Bingo and very well put. That's how many gaming products that emphasize crunch appear to be headed towards, this video game mentality for a lack of a better term. Why is your fighter going on the quest? Who cares! Pick up that moonblade and lop off the dragon's head! You'll get a chest full of shiny beads as a reward.
But, even if the gaming products continue down this path, the FR novels for me will continue to hold my interest in the world. Right now, there is some very good writing in the FR novels being released. |
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Sebastrd
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 18:31:29
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Aside from glancing through the 2E Forgotten Realms book (all I remeber are the Deity descriptions) and the Drizzt novels, my first experience with pure FR material was the 3E FRCS. I loved it so much I picked up Lords of Darkness, Magic of Faerun, and Monsters of Faerun almost immediately. I fell in love the realms for the simple fact that there's just so much information and history available.
However, I recently picked up the Ruins of Myth Drannor and Forgotten Realms boxed sets at Kublacon, and I was kind of dissapointed. The Guide to the Realms wasn't all that exiting, because I'd already read it all in the new FRCS. I can definitely see how 2E veterans are dissapointed with the new stuff because so much of it is just a rehash of old information. |
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Shearre
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 03:13:13
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I know the conversations pretty much moved on by now, but it seems to me like what the original poster was describing was typical burnout. My advice is just to take a break from the realms altogether for a few months. I myself haven't touched the Realms since I completed Neverwinter Nights, but I'm just starting to reread all my old Realms novels, and the break really did help in terms of how much I enjoy them now.
Um, anyway, carry on. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 03:19:09
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This last post has got me thinking:
Would I be as receptive to Eberron if I wasn't currently tired of the Realms?
Probably not. So I guess it shouldn't surprise me that Eberron is one of the most inspiring books I've picked up in awhile.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 04:06:43
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Originally posted by 3catcircus
As to the "...current batch of writers..." doing a "...fine job...", perhaps I'll be starting to rant, but I simply don't see that all of them are doing an acceptable job - many are, a few aren't.
This is not a 3E phenomenon. Both 1E and 2E had their fair share of product turkeys. If I was you I'd wait to see the next 4 or so products before passing judgement.
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The biggest offender - well - I can't accept the arguments for the Tree cosmology (even given Ed's pre-D&D cosmology set-up) - which I see as the most egregious ret-con for the worse.
You see, I just can't get sparked up about this one. Not in the slightest. This only has significance if you are running an FR campaign that has your PCs plane-hopping. It doesn't affect the Realms per se. Waterdeep is still Waterdeep and Larloch is still Larloch - whatever planar cosmology you subscribe to. But hey, YMMV.
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3catcircus
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 13:26:03
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Originally posted by George Krashos
This is not a 3E phenomenon. Both 1E and 2E had their fair share of product turkeys. If I was you I'd wait to see the next 4 or so products before passing judgement.
I agree - however, most of the 1E/2E writers at least tried to make it *look* like they had done some research on prior works... My impression is that for 1E/2E, the game writers were less of a problem than the novel writers in this regard. Now, it seems it is the other way around.
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You see, I just can't get sparked up about this one. Not in the slightest. This only has significance if you are running an FR campaign that has your PCs plane-hopping. It doesn't affect the Realms per se. Waterdeep is still Waterdeep and Larloch is still Larloch - whatever planar cosmology you subscribe to. But hey, YMMV.
-- George Krashos
While I understand your point and I generally don't run plane-hopping campaigns, I want the *options* presented in 1E/2E (Spelljammers, the Planes, Kara-Tur, etc.) to still be a viable option.
When I read SKR's explanation of why he chose to change the cosmology, it tends to make my blood boil - I get a sense of outrage along the lines of "How DARE you - a glorified TSR website technical support puke who was given an opportunity to be a game designer because TSR had to let a lot of their staff go (or the staff chose to leave) prior to WOTC's buyout - make an arbitrary decision to change the planar cosmology and have the nerve to tell long-time players and DMs (and authors) that the prior cosmology was stupid!"
When I read that WOTC has no plans for Kara-Tur, Zakhara, and Maztica because sales of the original were not as good as core 1E/2E D&D products (and also the reason why we will never see a 3E sourcebook like Silver Marches - mostly fluff rather than crunch), it also tends to make my blood boil. While I know (and agree with) the idea that people are in business to make money, we also have to realize that the TSR of Gygax and Arneson (hobby that surprisingly and happily made money) is now the WOTC of Hasbro, whose bottom line is more important than the quality of the product they produce - lets face it - if Hasbro could make a ton of money by infecting people with cancer, they'd do it.
As I said before - I've found that with 3.x FR (and 3.x D&D in general), that I spend more time attempting to catalogue the thousands of feats and prestige classes, attempting to reconcile blatant errors in fluff between 1E/2E and the latest edition, and generally being a beancounter than I do creating and playing the game - which makes things tedious and causes me to lose interest in favor of returning to a simpler version of the game.
I know that I didn't lose interest in the Realms when 2E came out - even though there were changes, they weren't so grossly different as to be incompatible. I *liked* that I could pick up a 1E/2E supplement and find *useful* information that still left me enough room as a DM to maneuver - I wasn't locked into "This NPC needs these feats and these prestige classes to do the things he is describes in the novels as being capable of doing." |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 14:01:53
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Originally posted by 3catcircus
When I read SKR's explanation of why he chose to change the cosmology, it tends to make my blood boil - I get a sense of outrage along the lines of "How DARE you - a glorified TSR website technical support puke who was given an opportunity to be a game designer because TSR had to let a lot of their staff go (or the staff chose to leave) prior to WOTC's buyout - make an arbitrary decision to change the planar cosmology and have the nerve to tell long-time players and DMs (and authors) that the prior cosmology was stupid!"
I have not always enjoyed the way Sean K. Reynolds conducts himself online. Additionally, I have not enjoyed some of his gaming decisions/explanations. However, to label him "a glorified TSR website technical support puke" seems to me to be crossing a line especially when a person isn't here to defend himself.
I think you can make your point without resorting to name calling. |
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3catcircus
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 16:15:45
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Well met
Indeed!  Thank ye, SiriusBlack. 3catcircus please refrain from wording in this manner. Whilst its understandable that you do not agree with certain WotC staff, please try to be polite. Thank ye.
T'wasnt't intended as namecalling (which is why I posted that particular sentence in quotes.) Rather, I intended it to be a description of my internal thought process on the subject - no offense was intended. Actually, if you read his own bio information, you'll see that he did, in fact, start out at TSR doing website tech support - so it was at least accurate in that regard. As to the term "puke" - I was referring to a low-pay thankless job rather than as a description of his character. |
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 17:49:07
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Personally my own loss of interest in the realms is directly proportional to the policies of WOTC. Edition changes are one thing….ok change the mechanics, change the cosmology, I can pick and choose among the editions to keep the things I like. Annoying but I can do it....
What drives me to lose interest in the realms are policies like “we will no longer release modules for the Forgotten Realms because they cannot meet sales targets” or “The Realms will be limited to 1 or 2 sourcebooks per annum” And when said source books do not feature the types of specifics I want to see….well my interest starts to wane. Not in subject matter, but in product matter.
If you ask me to compare 2 products; City of The Spider Queen and Underdark. I would argue that CotSQ is a far more valuable resource. It has detailed focus on multiple areas of the Underdark, Maps, NPCs, New Monsters and ‘hey’ even an adventure. It can easily be broken down and used (by anyone with an active brain) in a non-FR setting that has drow or subterranean elves. Underdark on the other hand only vaguely touches on things that are not a new PrC, magic item or new feat. The back cover states “60 cities and sites of interest”, yet most of those only are given a minor blurb in the form of a few paragraphs with only a few getting any kind of map…. And yet this is supposed to spark our interest in the realms and spur us to continue to buy future sourcebooks. I honestly have little hope that Serpent Kingdoms will be any better, but I hope I am wrong.
You see the argument that CotSQ is a module and many DMs want sourcebooks to make their own adventures just does not hold water with me. CotSQ is a sourcebook. If I ever want to run adventures dealing with drow from say Szith Morcane….well there are the maps, there are the surviving NPCs,….even if I never run that adventure, I have city layouts, political structures, house names, etc etc….I can make my own stuff. Yet as I read through Underdark, there is little for me to work with. A brief history, maybe an NPC….but mostly it is all icing with no cake underneath.
Yeah I can go back and source other books from 1e/2e and even convert old mods as was discussed on another thread….but if I have to do all that, then why would I want to shell out another US $32.95 for more of the same? If you ask me…it is not so much a case of me (and other fans) losing interest in the realms but rather WOTC losing interest in the fans.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 18:00:59
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Originally posted by Chyron
What drives me to lose interest in the realms are policies like “we will no longer release modules for the Forgotten Realms because they cannot meet sales targets” or “The Realms will be limited to 1 or 2 sourcebooks per annum” And when said source books do not feature the types of specifics I want to see….well my interest starts to wane. Not in subject matter, but in product matter.
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Beowulf
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 19:38:09
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Well met!
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Originally posted by Chyron
What drives me to lose interest in the realms are policies like “we will no longer release modules for the Forgotten Realms because they cannot meet sales targets” or “The Realms will be limited to 1 or 2 sourcebooks per annum” And when said source books do not feature the types of specifics I want to see….well my interest starts to wane. Not in subject matter, but in product matter.
I understand that it is kinda hard not to seperate the product from the supplier, but I personally liked the realms when there were no sourcebooks. There are of course tons of sourcebooks for the Realms today, and then there is the internet to boot ... which contains some very worthy info. which only differes from published stuff in that its free. And it seems to be ever growing. So what some comapny decides to do is with the Realms is really irrelevent to me personally. It seems to me that the Realms could take care of itself grass-roots style.
Of course, not to tell anybody where their interests should be. If the Realms no longer do it, thats cool.
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3catcircus
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 20:35:47
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Originally posted by Beowulf
Well met!
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Originally posted by Chyron
What drives me to lose interest in the realms are policies like “we will no longer release modules for the Forgotten Realms because they cannot meet sales targets” or “The Realms will be limited to 1 or 2 sourcebooks per annum” And when said source books do not feature the types of specifics I want to see….well my interest starts to wane. Not in subject matter, but in product matter.
I understand that it is kinda hard not to seperate the product from the supplier, but I personally liked the realms when there were no sourcebooks. There are of course tons of sourcebooks for the Realms today, and then there is the internet to boot ... which contains some very worthy info. which only differes from published stuff in that its free. And it seems to be ever growing. So what some comapny decides to do is with the Realms is really irrelevent to me personally. It seems to me that the Realms could take care of itself grass-roots style.
Of course, not to tell anybody where their interests should be. If the Realms no longer do it, thats cool.
Grendel's mamma's daddy
I guess part of this is that a 1e/2e "sourcebook" isn't the same thing as a 3.x "sourcebook." Whereas the former would give a lot of information on a region's history, culture and peoples within the framework of the existing rules, the latter simply presents a list of new feats, prestige classes and spells with the "source" part of the book - i.e. - the fluff - as an afterthought.
I really don't care, for example, about the Purple Dragon Knight prestige class - I could have come up with that from scouring the various 1e/2e products and novels. What I *do* want is a nice overview of the Purple Dragons Order of Battle - how many units and of what type, who commands each unit, garrison locations, etc. I don't care about the Cosmopolitan feat - I want information on the people involved in the open (and closed) politics of Waterdeep's nobles... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 05:34:20
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Originally posted by Arivia
This last post has got me thinking:
Would I be as receptive to Eberron if I wasn't currently tired of the Realms?
Probably not. So I guess it shouldn't surprise me that Eberron is one of the most inspiring books I've picked up in awhile.
So many ideas, so little time.
I do believe that I would be... Of course the upcoming developments for both Dragonlance and Planescape would also have to factor into my thinking...
I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on Eberron though, but only in regards to the possible usage of Eberronic material in the Realms...
Perhaps another scroll...?
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Gellion
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 06:54:30
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| I have decided to pipe up again. My main reasons for losing interest in the realms now that I think about it, could possible be due to a lack of any FR Novels. I remember when I was reading them I still ooved the Realms. Can anybody reccomend any good ones? I have already read all the Drizzt books that are out as well as the three books involving Liriel Baenre. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 07:04:39
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Well, War of the Spider Queen would seem to be the most logical choice, at the moment. The Sembia series is another, especially now that several of the characters from the books now have spin-off adventures.
I'm sure other scribes will mentioned their own particular favorites...
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 07:12:36
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Originally posted by Gellion
I have decided to pipe up again. My main reasons for losing interest in the realms now that I think about it, could possible be due to a lack of any FR Novels. I remember when I was reading them I still ooved the Realms. Can anybody reccomend any good ones? I have already read all the Drizzt books that are out as well as the three books involving Liriel Baenre.
Try taking a look through the novels forum as several novels have threads devoted to them. You obviously enjoy stories about the drow based upon the aforementioned novels you read. Is there any other element of the FR that you are interested in? |
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Gellion
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 07:28:55
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Gellion
I have decided to pipe up again. My main reasons for losing interest in the realms now that I think about it, could possible be due to a lack of any FR Novels. I remember when I was reading them I still ooved the Realms. Can anybody reccomend any good ones? I have already read all the Drizzt books that are out as well as the three books involving Liriel Baenre.
Try taking a look through the novels forum as several novels have threads devoted to them. You obviously enjoy stories about the drow based upon the aforementioned novels you read. Is there any other element of the FR that you are interested in?
Lantan, but it seems there are almost no novels involving anyone from it. |
"Paladine, you see the evil that surrounds me! You have been witness to the calamities that have been the scourge of Krynn... You must see now that this doctrine of balance will not work! I can sweep evil from this land. Destroy the ogre races. Bring the wayward humans into line! Find new homelands far away for the dwarves and the kender and the gnomes, those races not of your creation... I demand that you give me, too, the power to drive away the shadows of evil that darken the land!"- THE REIGN OF ISTAR, Tales IV |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 07:40:23
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Originally posted by Gellion
Lantan, but it seems there are almost no novels involving anyone from it.
I'm trying to recall if Temple Hill, a novel published a few years back had a character from that area?? It's been too long, sorry.
I do know that Jeff Quick wrote a series of articles detailing Lantan for the WOTC site. They can be found here. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 08:08:15
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Originally posted by Gellion
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Gellion
I have decided to pipe up again. My main reasons for losing interest in the realms now that I think about it, could possible be due to a lack of any FR Novels. I remember when I was reading them I still ooved the Realms. Can anybody reccomend any good ones? I have already read all the Drizzt books that are out as well as the three books involving Liriel Baenre.
Try taking a look through the novels forum as several novels have threads devoted to them. You obviously enjoy stories about the drow based upon the aforementioned novels you read. Is there any other element of the FR that you are interested in?
Lantan, but it seems there are almost no novels involving anyone from it.
Was not the tinker guy in Silver Shadows from Lantan? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 08:22:20
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You may be right about that Wooly. Although, as I remember it, Silver Shadows never mentioned where the tinkerer came from. Granted it has been a very long time since I've read this novel though...
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 10:55:41
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| Quite right. I believe Fendel (the Gnomish priest of Gond) is from Lantan. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 14:24:42
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Quite right. I believe Fendel (the Gnomish priest of Gond) is from Lantan.
Thank you Lord Rad. The tome is around here on some shelf, but no idea which one or where. I appreciate the confirmation. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 17:41:06
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Originally posted by The Sage
You may be right about that Wooly. Although, as I remember it, Silver Shadows never mentioned where the tinkerer came from. Granted it has been a very long time since I've read this novel though...
I just double-checked, because I wanted to make sure. Page 35 says Tinkersdam of Gond (I could not remember that name!) is a native of Lantan.
It's been a while since I read that book, myself... But I just started re-reading all the Arilyn stories, so I'll be getting back to that one soon enough. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 04 Jul 2004 : 03:18:47
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Heh, that's funny. I've just started doing that myself. I currently on the last 50 pages of Elfshadow. I've noticed something though about Lady Cunningham's novels. Like a rare red wine's bouquet and flavor that matures with age, her stories motivate and evoke new thoughts and feelings with every read.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Jul 2004 : 03:50:28
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Heh, that's funny. I've just started doing that myself. I currently on the last 50 pages of Elfshadow. I've noticed something though about Lady Cunningham's novels. Like a rare red wine's bouquet and flavor that matures with age, her stories motivate and evoke new thoughts and feelings with every read.
*laughs* By sheer coinky-dink, I'm exactly 52 pages from the end of Elfshadow! 
Though, unlike the other times I've read it, this time I'm going to read every book and short story, in order. I'm going by the list that's on Elaine's website, so I won't miss any stories this time thru. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Jul 2004 : 03:58:28
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Whoa  . That's more than just a little disturbing.
By chance, do you have an URL for that listing on Lady C's website? I'd like to read all of her works in order as well.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2004 : 04:11:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Though, unlike the other times I've read it, this time I'm going to read every book and short story, in order. I'm going by the list that's on Elaine's website, so I won't miss any stories this time thru.
Do you have the short story featuring Arilyn and Elaith that appeared in Dragon? If so, I'm impressed at someone's thorough nature. |
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Losing interest in the Realms
