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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 13:38:32
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I like the new maps artwork but I find myself going back to the old maps of The North boxed set and the old 2E maps more and more for reference. I think my players like them better, plus I think they just make more sense.
Agree? Disagree?
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 14:05:48
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I think it depends on the setting for the campaign. I can see why some individuals might prefer 2e maps. For example, the Waterdeep map hangs in one of the rooms of my house. Do you think I'll get such a finely detailed map from the upcoming 3.5e tome for this city? I doubt it, unless each street has information on a new prestige class.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 17:22:54
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I use the 1e and 2e maps. I don't care for the continental drift that took place with the 3e maps. :) I prefer the more open land then having borders and in some cases half the countries removed for no reason other then, "there was to much open space so we cut it."
When I met Ed in Canada, it seems he doesn't really like the "new and improved" maps either. :) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 17:44:40
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Originally posted by kuje31
I don't care for the continental drift that took place with the 3e maps.
Continental Drift!  Good line, I have to remember that one. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 18:25:53
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Well that's exactly it. A lot of stuff is just gone or not labeled! There are some changes that I like, such as Hellgate Keep being engulfed in the High Forest. Some of the new towns that have cropped up etc. What I may do is get the ESD's of the 2E box and print them out in color so I have a map to label the new stuff on.
What other source books from 2E would be recommended that have good maps on them? |
Edited by - Mystery_Man on 14 Jun 2004 18:26:21 |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 18:36:24
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
What other source books from 2E would be recommended that have good maps on them?
Waterdeep boxed set if you ever run campaigns within that city. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 18:41:52
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Continental Drift! Good line, I have to remember that one.
I thought it was amusing. 
But yes many of the maps from the box sets are also useful, as well as the city maps, until Waterdeep comes out next year and they shift the city north by northwest. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 14 Jun 2004 19:17:59 |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 19:13:12
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Originally posted by kuje31
But yes many of the more campaign box sets are also useful, as well as the city maps, untill Waterdeep comes out next year and they shift the city north by northwest. :)
I can see it now
kuje 31: "What happened to Waterdeep's Harbor on this new map?"
WOTC representative: "Lots of empty space there filled with nothing but water, so we eliminated it."
The North Boxed set is also great for 2e maps Elf-Friend, but you mentioned you already had that product. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 19:20:59
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I can see it now
kuje 31: "What happened to Waterdeep's Harbor on this new map?"
WOTC representative: "Lots of empty space there filled with nothing but water, so we eliminated it."
 Oy! I sure hope not, but maybe im not that thrilled with WOTC and I have a feeling that that would happen! |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 19:55:45
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I use a mixture of the Maps. To be honest I like the newer maps visual Style, I feel this helps greatly when playing IC. "This 'ere is the town I want ya young scally-waggs to travel to. Yer best route would be along 'ere"
This alows me to explain at least some of the 'inacturicies' that occur between the two editions.
I betya Mr Greenwood gets p*ssed off with so many changes getitng made to his campaign world.
Hanx
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 20:43:26
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quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I can see it now
kuje 31: "What happened to Waterdeep's Harbor on this new map?"
WOTC representative: "Lots of empty space there filled with nothing but water, so we eliminated it."
Oy! I sure hope not, but maybe im not that thrilled with WOTC and I have a feeling that that would happen!
If they make it an islet I'll burn the whole place to the ground.
Seriously, I hope they don't skimp on space and use this book to really make the city shine. I can really see some potential for greatness. If they don't screw it up.
Can E.G. talk about any cartographic spoilers? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 20:49:13
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
Seriously, I hope they don't skimp on space and use this book to really make the city shine. I can really see some potential for greatness. If they don't screw it up.
Can E.G. talk about any cartographic spoilers?
I don't even know if Ed Greenwood is working on the Waterdeep game product. I thought the last I heard, he was simply being consulted. |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 23:00:30
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If they didn't at least consult City of Splendors first, I'm going to be very disapointed.
With regard to the continental drift theory, I'd anticipate quite a few more mountain ranges or at least increase the height of the pre-existing ones. The amount of convergent plate movement in the last 30 years has been enormous. This would lead to quite a few new mountain ranges or at the very least significantly increase the height of the existing ones.
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 23:36:17
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| Now if someone could take a few weeks at WOTC to get the detail of the AD&D maps with the visual appeal of the new one that would be nice. I hate looking in 5 places to find something when the older maps have everything. |
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Lashan
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 01:42:06
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| I use every map I can find. There are some maps that show just the right amount of territory for the players. I chalk the discrepency up to just that people weren't perfect at making maps. It adds some flexibility and uncertainty in. Do the players have bogus maps? They never know. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 01:52:30
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Originally posted by Lashan
I chalk the discrepency up to just that people weren't perfect at making maps. It adds some flexibility and uncertainty in. Do the players have bogus maps? They never know.
An excellent way to deal with the situation. Either that or blame the elves as they are usually responsible for messed up things anyway. |
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martynq
Seeker
United Kingdom
90 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 12:14:05
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I use the old maps... principally because I have the FR Interactive Atlas which is v. useful (IMHO) and I want to continue its usefulness.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 14:14:54
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Originally posted by martynq
I use the old maps... principally because I have the FR Interactive Atlas which is v. useful (IMHO) and I want to continue its usefulness.
Martyn
One of my players has this tool and it has been quite useful. Thus, I can more than understand your desire. |
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What maps do you use?
