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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 12 Jun 2004 : 19:48:50
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What are the names and alignments of all of the outer planes of existance. All I know is that the Abyss is Chaotic Evil and the Nine Hells is Lawful Evil. I saw something about it in 1st Edition Legends & Lore about a year ago.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2004 : 20:27:58
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The Great Wheel(3e, from the MotP):
The Heroic Domains of Ysgard(CG)
The Ever-Changing Chaos of Limbo(CN)
Windswept Depths of Pandemonium(CN/E, not sure)
The Infinite Layers of the Abyss(CE)
Tarterian Depths of Carceri(NE)
Gray Waste of Hades(NE)
Bleak Eternity of Gehenna(NE)
Nine Hells of Baator(LE)
Infernal Battlefield of Acheron(LE)
Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus(LN)
Peaceable Kingdoms of Arcadia(LG)
Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia(NG)
Twin Paradises of Bytopia(CG)
Blessed Fields of Elysium(CG)
Wilderness of the Beastlands(CN)
Olympian Glades of Arborea(CG)
Concordant Domain of the Outlands(N)
I'll type up the FR planes once my fingers stop hurting. |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2004 : 20:43:14
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Originally posted by tauster
@Arivia: stop hurting your fingers, here´s the great ring from 2nd edition:
http://i.domaindlx.com/chefseehund/GREATRING.JPG
That seems to have come directly out of one of the later PS books, and I think Sigil's slightly off, but at least it shows the gate towns, too. *cracks open the PGtF* This still needs to be addressed, however... |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2004 : 20:43:59
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I found this somewhere. Is it right?
Lawful Good Mount Celestia
The Twin Paradises
Neutral Good Elysium
Happy Hunting Grounds
Chaotic Good Mount Olympus
Gladsheim
Chaotic Neutral Limbo
Pandemonium
Chaotic Evil The Abyss
Tartarus
Neutral Evil The Grey Waste
Gehenna
Lawful Evil The Nine Hells
Acheron
Lawful Neutral Nirvana
Arcadia
True Neutral Concordant Opposition
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Edited by - aragorn II on 12 Jun 2004 20:46:35 |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2004 : 20:45:58
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Originally posted by aragorn II
I found this somewhere. Is it right?
Lawful Good Mount Celestia
The Twin Paradises
Neutral Good Elysium
Happy Hunting Grounds
Chaotic Good Mount Olympus
Gladsheim
Chaotic Neutral Limbo
Pandemonium
Chaotic Evil The Abyss
Tartarus
Neutral Evil The Grey Waste
Gehenna
Lawful Evil The Nine Hells
Acheron
Lawful Neutral Nirvana
Arcadia
True Neutral Concordant Opposition
Sort of. Formatting like that doesn't work in the forums, though-I only got to see it when quoting your post. It's also outdated-The Outlands haven't been called Concordant Opposition for a long time. |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2004 : 20:49:09
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| The thing is, I only use 1st and 2nd Edition. The names of the planes I got are I think from Deities & Demigods. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2004 : 20:52:33
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Originally posted by aragorn II
The thing is, I only use 1st and 2nd Edition. The names of the planes I got are I think from Deities & Demigods.
Then I can stop typing the 3e Realms planes out...Your list likely comes from the later 2e DMGs, or from the original MotP. That'll work, assuming you're not using Planescape-if you are, use the diagram Tauster provided. |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 22:22:57
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 18:12:10
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 19:03:40
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Originally posted by aragorn II
What about the Inner Planes? How do they relate to each other?
Could you be a little more specific on what you wish to know? |
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Edited by - Kuje on 14 Jun 2004 19:04:21 |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 21:30:45
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| Okay. First there is the Positive Energy Plane. Next, there is the Positive Quasi-Elemental Planes. Lightning corrsponds to Air, Steam corrsponds to Water, Radiance corrsponds to Fire, and Minerals corrsponds to Earth. Then, there is the Elemental and Para-Elemental Planes. Below that, there is the Negative Quasi-Elemental Planes, with Vacuum corrsponding to Air, Salt corrsponding to Water, Ash corrsponding to Fire, and Dust corrsponding to Earth. Finally, there is the Negative Energy Plane. |
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Edited by - aragorn II on 15 Jun 2004 20:05:01 |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 20:12:12
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| My question is, how are the Elemental Planes and the Para-Elemental Planes related? |
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Edited by - aragorn II on 17 Jun 2004 21:10:04 |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2004 : 22:47:26
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My impression has always been that the para-elemental planes are where two elemental planes sort of slop together. They aren't really planes in and of themselves, just the rather fuzzy boundaries between two real planes and populated by stuff from both. Over time, they have developed their own eco-systems.
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 15:48:06
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Thank you very much, Sarta. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 08:05:24
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Originally posted by aragorn II
I found this somewhere. Is it right?
Lawful Good Mount Celestia
The Twin Paradises
Neutral Good Elysium
Happy Hunting Grounds
Chaotic Good Mount Olympus
Gladsheim
Chaotic Neutral Limbo
Pandemonium
Chaotic Evil The Abyss
Tartarus
Neutral Evil The Grey Waste
Gehenna
Lawful Evil The Nine Hells
Acheron
Lawful Neutral Nirvana
Arcadia
True Neutral Concordant Opposition
This is essentially how Gary Gygax first envisioned the planes. Most of these names for the Outer Planes and the Outlands are the direct ancestors of what would later become the standard with the publication of the 2e Manual of the Planes, and the establishment of the [iPlanescape[/i] campaign setting.
The names were changed to their present form (in 3e MotP) when the first designs for the PS setting were determined. It has been suggested that Gygax protested the changes, but there has never been any evidence to support those claims.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 08:09:23
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Originally posted by aragorn II
My question is, how are the Elemental Planes and the Para-Elemental Planes related?
The para-elemental planes are simply combinations of two adjacent inner planes. They are further related by the fact that both the elemental and para-elemental planes have both permanent and stable two-way vortices.
The quasi-elemental planes are simply the result of an inner plane being combined with either the Positive or Negative Energy plane. However, I should point out that the quasi planes were dropped with the establishment of the 3e cosmology.
The quasi planes are purely a PS creation. They are fully detailed, along with the other inner planes (including the para-elemental) in the 2e PS tome The Innner Planes.
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 14:25:41
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Sage: I know that there was a Mineral Quasi-Elemental Lord - Crystalle - and that there were four Para-Elemental Lords and eight Elemental Lords, but were there Elemental Lords of the other Quasi-Elemental planes? If so do you know their names?
Something I've been curious about for a while. Thanks. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 14:30:10
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They've never been detailed specifically, but they are known to exist. For the most part, the rule of the quasi-elemental planes has been given over to the archomentals. Archomentals can best be explained as being something more than the average elemental, but less than a deity.
However, these beings of the quasi-planes can only be included if you "allow" the possibility of the quasi-planes in your 3e cosmology. Otherwise, they simply don't exist.
If you want to know more about these archomentals, just let me know.
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 19:28:23
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| That would be great - you can e-mail me or post it here. Either is good. Thanks. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 19:37:35
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That would be great - you can e-mail me or post it here. Either is good. Thanks.
I'll see what I've got, also. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2004 : 13:25:22
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| Thanks Arivia. |
Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 11:08:04
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That would be great - you can e-mail me or post it here. Either is good. Thanks.
The archomentals were detailed in the 2e Planescape Monstrous Compendium Volume III. This monster book especially details all the creatures of the Inner Planes.
I'm looking at the Sage's copy now, and there's some particularly interesting information regarding the archomentals. Perhaps I could summarise it and send it to you via ethereal mail? If would save you waiting for the Sage since I know he's busy with other projects at the moment.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 11:09:46
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Just as an additional, I might also send you some information on the 'Fundamentals'. I'm recall that they are just as important as the archomentals. I'll see what I can dig up.
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 12:47:20
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Wow! So many people wishing to help me out!  I don't mind if you or Sage send it - I realise you are both busy folk. But anything you can send/post will be well-received! :) |
Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Jun 2004 : 02:57:46
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Actually, I have "extra" some free time at the moment since I've now just finished my exams. So, I'll be visiting here rather regularly over the next couple of weeks.
I'll see about summarising those details today.
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Sarelle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jun 2004 : 19:49:35
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Thanks. I too have recently finished exams - isn't the feeling that you'll not have to go back and study some of those things again great!?
I was doing some more research on this - and found that the correct term for 'Elemental Lords' is indeed archomentals (Ogremoch and co.) However, the archomentals of the para-elemental planes are listed as Demipowers in my listings. This is very odd, seeing as they would be likely be less powerful than core archomentals. If you find an answer to this along with your other details, please send it my way. |
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My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 10:06:14
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Which listings are these, Sarelle? It doesn't sound like an official source.
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 11:06:56
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It isn't official, but I believe its taken from official Planescape sources (On Hallowed Ground, for one). Its possible it is a mistake or an assumption.
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My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
Edited by - Sarelle on 28 Jun 2004 11:07:23 |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 14:24:35
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That's a good resource, but nowhere near complete. Check out the Sage's Planewalker link in his signature. It's the "official" site for all things Planescape. Plus, the site has a score of other fantastic planar links, located throughout the ethereal.
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