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Thelonius
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Spain
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 Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 15:16:21
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Okay i'm working on a druidic campaing with some fellows here in Spain, and i need all the info you could give me about druidic religions.
You know... gods, names, simbols, rites, skills.
Is Ehlonna an "FR" goddess? Could anyone give information aboput her? Rites, symbols... wathever can be useful in a druidic campaign.
Please, i'm completely lost
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 15:19:48
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I'd suggest a web search for Chauntea as this goddess' specialty priests in Faiths and Avatars were Druids.
Plenty of resources if you look via Yahoo that would provide information that should help your campaign. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 17:14:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ehlonna is not an FR deity -- she is a Greyhawk deity.
But her realmsian counterpart would be Mielikki. :) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 17:34:12
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Originally posted by kuje31
But her realmsian counterpart would be Mielikki. :)
I know I've seen it before, but can't recall which tome had counterparts listed for FR and Greyhawk deities. Anyone remember? |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 18:15:24
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I'd say the three most common druid deities are probably Silvanus, Chauntea, and Mielikki, but I've listed all of the common Faerunian deities for ya.
Common Human druidic deities (listed as having druids in their descriptions in F&P):
name alignment portfolios
Auril NE Cold and winter
Chauntea NG Agriculture, farmers, gardners, and summer
Eldath NG Quiet places, springs, pools, peace, and waterfalls
Gwaeron Windstrom NG Tracking and rangers of the north
Lurue CG Talking beasts and intelligent nonhumanoid creatures
Malar CE Hunters, stalking, bloodlust, and evil lycanthropes
Mielikki NG Forests, forest creatures, rangers, dryads, and autumn
Nobanion LG Royalty, lions and felines beasts, and good beasts
Shiallia NG Woodland glades, woodland fertility, the High Forest, and Neverwinter Wood
Silvanus N Wild nature and druids
Talona CE Disease and poison
Uthgar CN The Uthgardt barbarian tribes and physical strength
Other human deities which may support druids (druids not listed in their descriptions in F&P, but aspects of their portfolios may attract druids):
Akadi N Elemental Air, movement, speed, and flying creatures
Finder Wyvernspur CN Cycle of life, transformation of art, and saurials
Grumbar N Elemental earth, solidity, changelessness, and oaths
Istishia N Elemental water, purification, and wetness
Kossuth N (LN) Elemental fire and purification through fire
Lathander NG Spring, dawn, birth, youth, vitality, and athletics
Shar NE Dark, night, loss, forgetfulness, unrevealed secrets, caverns, dungeons, and the Underdark
Shaundakul CN Travel, exploration, caravans, and portals
Talos CE Storms, destruction, rebellion, conflagurations, earthquakes, and vortices
Umberlee CE Oceans, currents, waves, and sea winds
Keep in mind the alignment restrictions of druids. They must be neutral and within one step of their deity.
Hope this helps.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 19:06:10
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I know I've seen it before, but can't recall which tome had counterparts listed for FR and Greyhawk deities. Anyone remember?
For 3e? Page 9 of the FRCS. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 20:51:03
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Originally posted by kuje31
For 3e? Page 9 of the FRCS.
Gracias, I couldn't recall if it was there or in one of the deity tomes. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 22:30:36
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Originally posted by Sarta
I'd say the three most common druid deities are probably Silvanus, Chauntea, and Mielikki, but I've listed all of the common Faerunian deities for ya.
Common Human druidic deities (listed as having druids in their descriptions in F&P):
name alignment portfolios
Auril NE Cold and winter
Chauntea NG Agriculture, farmers, gardners, and summer
Eldath NG Quiet places, springs, pools, peace, and waterfalls
Gwaeron Windstrom NG Tracking and rangers of the north
Lurue CG Talking beasts and intelligent nonhumanoid creatures
Malar CE Hunters, stalking, bloodlust, and evil lycanthropes
Mielikki NG Forests, forest creatures, rangers, dryads, and autumn
Nobanion LG Royalty, lions and felines beasts, and good beasts
Shiallia NG Woodland glades, woodland fertility, the High Forest, and Neverwinter Wood
Silvanus N Wild nature and druids
Talona CE Disease and poison
Uthgar CN The Uthgardt barbarian tribes and physical strength
Other human deities which may support druids (druids not listed in their descriptions in F&P, but aspects of their portfolios may attract druids):
Akadi N Elemental Air, movement, speed, and flying creatures
Finder Wyvernspur CN Cycle of life, transformation of art, and saurials
Grumbar N Elemental earth, solidity, changelessness, and oaths
Istishia N Elemental water, purification, and wetness
Kossuth N (LN) Elemental fire and purification through fire
Lathander NG Spring, dawn, birth, youth, vitality, and athletics
Shar NE Dark, night, loss, forgetfulness, unrevealed secrets, caverns, dungeons, and the Underdark
Shaundakul CN Travel, exploration, caravans, and portals
Talos CE Storms, destruction, rebellion, conflagurations, earthquakes, and vortices
Umberlee CE Oceans, currents, waves, and sea winds
Keep in mind the alignment restrictions of druids. They must be neutral and within one step of their deity.
Hope this helps.
Sarta
This list does already exist-sidebar in the Lesser Deities section of F&P. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 23:20:37
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Originally posted by Arivia
This list does already exist-sidebar in the Lesser Deities section of F&P.
Ah, I thought one of the deity books had it as well. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 00:06:29
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Here's the complete list of nature gods in FR (gods which can be Patron deity for a druid). This list was compiled through a careful review of all 3E FR books. There might be a few omissions from sources published after F&P (I'm pretty sure Vhaeraun would grant ranger spells, but I don't remember if I saw this officially), but I gather from most people who have used it that it is pretty complete. It also includes the elemental gods, as these were accidentally omitted from the F&P list according to SKR (the maker of the F&P nature deity list). Those deities who have been known to provide ranger spells but not druidic spells are listed on a separate "rangers only" list at the bottom.
Enjoy!
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The complete list of nature deities is: (F=Faerūnian Pantheon; E=Elf Pantheon; G=Gnome Pantheon; H=Halfling Pantheon; D=Dwarf Pantheon; M=Mulhorandi Pantheon; MM=Monster deity; EL=Elemental gods)
· Chauntea, F --> Most powerful deity of Faerūn, she gave birth to all life on the planet according to the creation myths
· Eldath, F
· Gwaeron Windstrom, F
· Lurue, F
· Malar, F
· Mielikki, F
· Nobanion, F
· Shiallia, F
· Silvanus, F
· Talona, F
· Talos, F
· Ubtao, F
· Ulutiu, F
· Umberlee, F
· Uthgar, F
· Anhur, M
· Isis, M
· Osiris, M
· Sebek, M
· Set, M
· Thard Harr, D
· Aerdrie Faenya, E
· Angharradh, E
· Deep Sashelas, E
· Rillifane Rallathil, E
· Baervan Wildwanderer, G
· Segojan Earthcaller, G
· Auril, F
· Fenmarel Mestarine, E
· Hiatea, MM (giants)
· Sekolah, MM (sahuagin)
· Stronmaus, MM (cloud giants, storm giants)
· Skerrit, MM (centaurs)
· Tapann, MM (korreds)
· Yeenoghu, MM (gnolls)
· Cyrrollalee, H
· Sheela Peryroyl, H
· Solonor Thelandira, E
· Talona, F
· Kossuth, EL
· Istishia, EL
· Grumbar, EL
· Akadi, EL
· Additionally, rangers may receive divine spells from one of the following deities (according to published canon sources):
· Shaundakul, F
· Tempus, F
· Garagos, F
· Marthammor Duin, D
· Corellon Larethian, E
· Shevarash, E
· Arvoreen, H
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
730 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 08:30:51
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Wow!! I dindn't know there were this amount of them. I think i'll take Chauntea, Silvanus and Mielikki.
Ah! SiriusBlack, you said "Gracias"?, funny. 
One question, i thought Corellon Larethian and Gruumsh were also Greyhawk's deities as Ehlonna. I must suppose they aren't? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 14:57:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Gion
Wow!! I dindn't know there were this amount of them. I think i'll take Chauntea, Silvanus and Mielikki.
Ah! SiriusBlack, you said "Gracias"?, funny.
One question, i thought Corellon Larethian and Gruumsh were also Greyhawk's deities as Ehlonna. I must suppose they aren't?
Corellon and Gruumsh are multi-spheric deities, as are most racial deities. In other words, elves and orcs are scattered across many, many worlds, and they have taken the worship of their gods with them. So Corellon and Gruumsh are present on Oerth (Greyhawk), and they are also present in the Realms. |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
730 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 15:10:39
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I didn't know that, so the Realms are more complicated even what i thought. 
The why is Ehlonna a greyhawk goddess and not a FR one? It's cause she is not a "racial goddess", i mean, a goddess of a race? |
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"I THINK I JUST HAD ANOTHER NEAR-RINCEWIND EXPERIENCE"- Discworld's Death frustrated after Rincewind scapes his grasp... again.
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Edited by - Thelonius on 08 Jun 2004 15:12:38 |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 15:16:40
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Originally posted by Gion
The why is Ehlonna a greyhawk goddess and not a FR one? It's cause she is not a "racial goddess", i mean, a goddess of a race?
Because they are two different worlds. Yes, some of the same gods appear but when it comes to this portfolio, FR has Mielikki so Ehlonna can hit the road and go back to what is it again? Oerth? |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
730 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 16:05:44
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Indeed, i prefer Ehlonna |
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"I THINK I JUST HAD ANOTHER NEAR-RINCEWIND EXPERIENCE"- Discworld's Death frustrated after Rincewind scapes his grasp... again.
"I am death, come for thee" - Nimbul, from Baldur's Gate I just before being badly spanked
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Lashan
Learned Scribe
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 17:27:21
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The non-human gods are all the same for almost every game world out there. I guess that it is easier to just make them up once then to deal with creating a whole new pantheon all over again.
The human gods are different for each game world as they are based the history and cosmology of the specific game world. So, Ehlonna is a human goddess in Greyhawk, but she has a pretty close equivelant in FR named Mielikki. |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 21:19:39
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With regard to the non-human gods, they do not have to be the same on every world, game designers have just done that so far. They also aren't necessarily the same from world to world -- compare Lolth of Faerun to Lolth from Greyhawk.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 22:32:08
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Originally posted by Sarta
With regard to the non-human gods, they do not have to be the same on every world, game designers have just done that so far. They also aren't necessarily the same from world to world -- compare Lolth of Faerun to Lolth from Greyhawk.
Sarta
'Tis true. And not all of the racial deities are present on all worlds, either. Oerth doesn't have Eilistraee or Vhaeraun for the drow... And Krynn only has one pantheon, for all the races. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 22:44:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
'Tis true. And not all of the racial deities are present on all worlds, either. Oerth doesn't have Eilistraee or Vhaeraun for the drow... And Krynn only has one pantheon, for all the races.
Actually it's been pointed out to me for 3/3.5 that Vhaeraun does exist in Greyhawk now according to the RPGA...... He's listed as a official deity in the deity file found on the link below.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/downloads |
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Edited by - Kuje on 08 Jun 2004 22:50:59 |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 23:09:55
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| For me it all comes back to my theory that all the fantasy races evolved somewhere, and their gods either took on aspects to identify with their people, or rose to divinity from among them, though my money is on thelatter. Over time they migrated across the planes, and even possibly to earth briefly. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 02:35:06
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Originally posted by kuje31
Actually it's been pointed out to me for 3/3.5 that Vhaeraun does exist in Greyhawk now according to the RPGA...... He's listed as a official deity in the deity file found on the link below.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/downloads
They give a reason for this change? My cynical mind can think of one, but I'm wondering if another explanation was provided. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 03:14:53
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
They give a reason for this change? My cynical mind can think of one, but I'm wondering if another explanation was provided.
I'm not sure. I didn't believe it until someone on the FR boards corrected me, when I said that neither Eilistraee and her brother existed in Greyhawk. But evidently her brother does now. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 04:01:49
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Originally posted by kuje31
I'm not sure. I didn't believe it until someone on the FR boards corrected me, when I said that neither Eilistraee and her brother existed in Greyhawk. But evidently her brother does now.
Love to hear the rationale behind taking one but not the other. |
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Jarren Longblade
Seeker
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 08:21:29
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| Hey Gion what is going to be the basis of your campaign? |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 10:32:04
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I actually wouldn't recommend Mielikki personally. She's only had druids within the ranks of her priesthood since 1368. I'd go with Silvanus for a more reclusive druid and Chauntea for one that deals more with urban settings.
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Sarelle
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 11:13:29
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Well, Vhaeraun (and not Eilistraee) was listed as a drow god in Monster Mythology, the 2e generic monster deity sourcebook. However, FR was the setting that adapted most of the deities in it (Seldarine, Dark Seldarine, Underdark deities, Dwarf, Halfling, Gnome, Orc and Giant pantheons as well as oddballs like Trishina), just not others (for unspecified reasons)  .
Sorry. 
But I wonder if Carl Sergeant was TOLD to steal Vhaeraun off Ed? |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
730 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 19:01:11
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Originally posted by Jarren Longblade
Hey Gion what is going to be the basis of your campaign?
I haven't thought about it well, yet... But i'm thinking something about inestability of common magic (wich i hate), and the natural magic as the resource to discover and solve the problem. |
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"I THINK I JUST HAD ANOTHER NEAR-RINCEWIND EXPERIENCE"- Discworld's Death frustrated after Rincewind scapes his grasp... again.
"I am death, come for thee" - Nimbul, from Baldur's Gate I just before being badly spanked
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Edited by - Thelonius on 09 Jun 2004 19:02:00 |
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Jarren Longblade
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Posted - 10 Jun 2004 : 03:20:36
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| sounds interesting keep us posted |
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Arteris
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Jun 2004 : 04:42:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ehlonna is not an FR deity -- she is a Greyhawk deity.
Speaking of which. I was reading the FR Faiths and Pantheons. And in Mielikkis write up under "Other Divine Powers" it says "As an intermediate deity, 'Ehlonna' recieves a 20 on any check"
Hehe, I found a typo 
But as far as woodland dieties go. Mielikki, Silvanus, and the Seldarine are the way to go. But for core dieties... I'd have to refer to the Dieties and Demigods book that I let my friend borrow >.< Ill get back to you a.s.a.p. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 10 Jun 2004 : 05:32:40
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Originally posted by Arteris
Speaking of which. I was reading the FR Faiths and Pantheons. And in Mielikkis write up under "Other Divine Powers" it says "As an intermediate deity, 'Ehlonna' recieves a 20 on any check"
Hehe, I found a typo
Or a subtle message attempting to make the Realms more generic. |
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