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LordofBones
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 Posted - 06 May 2023 : 07:54:43
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Athreeren
Learned Scribe
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1632 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2023 : 13:16:51
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Originally posted by redking
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So yeah, this is a huge retcon, and it's another sign that the current "design" team just doesn't care about continuity and thinks the Realms is a salad bar they can pick and choose from and ignore anything they don't like.
I am sick of hearing about how the current design team "loves the Forgotten Realms setting" as the excuse for every loathsome thing that they do to the setting. They may love the setting, but they don't respect it.
The Realm is great but it's a different setting that is worth exploring separately.
Finally watched the cartoon, dispite the name the realm, its not the Forgotten Realms so its left unexplained how they got FR,especially since only Presto was left in the Realm at the end.
I never saw the cartoons as a kid and then watched the entire series again last year. Retcons aside, "the Realm" is not Toril. It could be a demiplane as you say. It could even be another world on the prime material plane. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Jun 2023 : 14:54:51
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I saw those D&D kids running around a gaming arena/gauntlet in Neverwinter once ...
I suppose if the movie is canon set in the Realms, then the characters in the movie are canon set in the Realms.
I suppose the people I saw on screen might just be some randoms who happened to share physical appearances and costumes. Though the resemblance is strikingly and uncanny so I think they must be the cartoon characters.
I admit the short barbarian seemed older and tougher than I expected. Isn't he a 10-year-old kid in the cartoon? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Jun 2023 : 16:05:02
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I saw those D&D kids running around a gaming arena/gauntlet in Neverwinter once ...
I suppose if the movie is canon set in the Realms, then the characters in the movie are canon set in the Realms.
I suppose the people I saw on screen might just be some randoms who happened to share physical appearances and costumes. Though the resemblance is strikingly and uncanny so I think they must be the cartoon characters.
I admit the short barbarian seemed older and tougher than I expected. Isn't he a 10-year-old kid in the cartoon?
The movie credits list the kids by name, and it's the same names as the kids from the cartoon.
It could be a coincidence that they more or less look the same, have the same names, and wear the same clothes... But I for one won't put money on that possibility. |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 07 Aug 2023 : 20:16:26
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| The comic run has been over for some time now, yet none of the questions brought up here were ever answered. I guess it's just a given now that the kids were in the Realms the entire time, but even the timeframe is not clear nor is any attempt made in the comic to connect with the cameos in the movie. |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Aug 2023 : 23:22:54
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| Long story short: The Realm is not The Forgotten Realms. My stance is to use the Nick Fury quote from the Avengers movie about councils making decisions. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Aug 2023 : 01:27:52
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My headcanon is that they made it home, decided to go back to the Realm, and then later moved from the Realm to the Realms.
I say they made it home because there was an episode with a girl who dreamed of the future, and she dreamed of seeing Bobby at her school where he returned the necklace she'd given him. In my opinion, this makes it clear they returned home and back to their previous lives.
But the (horrible!) Grand Tour comic puts them in Shadowdale, and they're referenced in one or more of the Baldur's Gate games, and there's also the movie cameo... So either they left Earth and went to Toril, or they went back to the Realm and then took one of the gates there to Toril. I lean towards the latter since there seemed to be some long-lasting connection between the Realm and that theme park, and we know that both the Realm and the Realms have a lot of gates to other places.
As for why they would return to the Realm in the first place... This is all pure homebrew, not supported by anything at all:
I figure both Presto and Eric had some home situation they weren't happy with and wanted to get away from (because of their personalities). Everyone else had at the least normal home lives... But then there was an accident, and Bobby and Shiela lost their parents, and both of them suffered permanent injuries as well -- like a lost limb or paralysis. One of the other kids said something about wishing they were still in the Realm where healing magic was available, and the idea took hold. Bobby and Shiela no longer had anything tying them to Earth, and Presto and Eric were more than willing to bail, so Diana and Hank agreed, as well, and they all went back to the theme park and then to the Realm. Maybe there was some caveat about healing or their voluntary return meaning they couldn't leave, or maybe they just collectively preferred the Realm, but the end result was that they stayed there.
Again, pure homebrew, not supported by anything. It was just me trying to make everything make sense. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 09 Aug 2023 : 02:44:15
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Originally posted by Delnyn
My stance is to use the Nick Fury quote from the Avengers movie about councils making decisions.
Funny that there's an exactly opposite stance using a Mace Windu quote from the Star Wars movie about councils making decisions. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Aug 2023 : 05:40:58
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Originally posted by Delnyn
My stance is to use the Nick Fury quote from the Avengers movie about councils making decisions.
Funny that there's an exactly opposite stance using a Mace Windu quote from the Star Wars movie about councils making decisions.
I have a custom Lego Minifigure I made by putting the head of Nick Fury on the body of Mace Windu.
I call him Darth Fury. |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
1254 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2023 : 20:08:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
My headcanon is that they made it home, decided to go back to the Realm, and then later moved from the Realm to the Realms.
I say they made it home because there was an episode with a girl who dreamed of the future, and she dreamed of seeing Bobby at her school where he returned the necklace she'd given him. In my opinion, this makes it clear they returned home and back to their previous lives.
But the (horrible!) Grand Tour comic puts them in Shadowdale, and they're referenced in one or more of the Baldur's Gate games, and there's also the movie cameo... So either they left Earth and went to Toril, or they went back to the Realm and then took one of the gates there to Toril. I lean towards the latter since there seemed to be some long-lasting connection between the Realm and that theme park, and we know that both the Realm and the Realms have a lot of gates to other places.
As for why they would return to the Realm in the first place... This is all pure homebrew, not supported by anything at all:
I figure both Presto and Eric had some home situation they weren't happy with and wanted to get away from (because of their personalities). Everyone else had at the least normal home lives... But then there was an accident, and Bobby and Shiela lost their parents, and both of them suffered permanent injuries as well -- like a lost limb or paralysis. One of the other kids said something about wishing they were still in the Realm where healing magic was available, and the idea took hold. Bobby and Shiela no longer had anything tying them to Earth, and Presto and Eric were more than willing to bail, so Diana and Hank agreed, as well, and they all went back to the theme park and then to the Realm. Maybe there was some caveat about healing or their voluntary return meaning they couldn't leave, or maybe they just collectively preferred the Realm, but the end result was that they stayed there.
Again, pure homebrew, not supported by anything. It was just me trying to make everything make sense.
Here’s an addition with slight alterations. Presto remained in the Realm after with the redeemed Venger when all the kids went home in Requiem.
Perhaps Presto, slightly older and having been mentored by Venger, found his way to Toril through a portal.
Here he tried to apprentice to Elminster like mentioned in that awful book, but then when setting out on his own he came across a threat he couldn’t overcome in his own, thus using his magic to contact his old buddies back on Earth using Els contacts. Voila
It seems they also got their weapons back which perhaps Venger helped with. |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Aug 2023 : 01:11:37
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So we have an appearance in the 1300s with Elminster in the Grand Tour comic, and then suddenly the kids are still alive in 1490s Faerun for the movie. All alive too, despite a very deadly Spellplague in between that should've turned Presto at least into a goner.
I'm guessing they got home and were on Earth at least during the Spellplague. How or why they came back in time for the movie is still unclear. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Aug 2023 : 02:16:04
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Originally posted by Master Katarn
So we have an appearance in the 1300s with Elminster in the Grand Tour comic, and then suddenly the kids are still alive in 1490s Faerun for the movie. All alive too, despite a very deadly Spellplague in between that should've turned Presto at least into a goner.
I'm guessing they got home and were on Earth at least during the Spellplague. How or why they came back in time for the movie is still unclear.
It's possible that they were in the Realms for over a century, and like many others, found some convenient "keep them in play" McGuffin that brought them back after the Spellplague.
But I think it's all a moot point. The comic retcons the cartoon and prior appearances by them in the Realms, and thanks to WotC's stance on canon, the comic, the movie, and the current published Realms are all different canons -- so they're not even going to think about explaining anything. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Aug 2023 : 23:55:20
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| Did anyone actually read these new comics! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Aug 2023 : 04:40:07
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Originally posted by Gyor
Did anyone actually read these new comics!
I read the first one. It was not enough to motivate me to get the rest. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 19 Dec 2025 : 16:29:16
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(Threadis Necromantis>
Rather than create a new thread, figured I'd add to this old one. I just found that on the Roku Channel you can watch this series for free. In the back of my mind, I've kind of felt that it might be a good idea to simply link this cartoon to Abeir to fill out that world. They could then come to Toril during the second sundering. So, that being said, to simply play with the idea, I'm rewatching these episodes today, and with each episode I'm taking some notes. BTW, if anyone knows where anyone has done something like the FR Wiki in relation to this cartoon, let me know.
S1 E1 NOTES
Town of Helix assaulted by dragons over a millenia ago. Saved by a "Merlin" who banished the dragons and protected the town with a spell. Said spell could only be reversed by a good magician. Venger tricked Presto by posing as Merlin and changing the description for the spell that releases the dragons, such that Presto believed the spell would make a portal home. It actually seemingly opened a "portal" to wherever the dragons (I'd call them drakes more like) were banished.
Other notes:
Tiamat appears in the world and is challenged by beings as puny as the party. I would assume that this is some lesser aspect of Tiamat trapped in this world .... possibly something akin to the godkings of Unther ... could potentially link this manifestation actually TO Unther and its godkings.
At one point, we see two "white lights" like suns, but not yellow, in the sky. Potentially, just like in Toril, people may have discovered means to make localized suns. This may be why some areas are devastated wastelands.
Venger (posing as Merlin) owns a cloud castle that he can fly about.
Earthmotes are seen floating all over the "wasteland". This kind of thing is partly what makes me want to link the cartoon to Abeir.
S1 E2 - Eye of the Beholder
First scene shows 4 white lights in the sky like "suns" rather than just the two mentioned previously. 3 are smaller than the primary one. They are specifically referred to as 4 suns, and it is noted that the place is way hotter than normal.
Some "cowardly knight" named Sir John (Jon, Jonh, Jahn, Jawhn) is at the start, and he says he's from the village of Pendrake. His son is named Timothy (Timothee, Timothie, Timuthee). The leader of this town specifically wears a large sun amulet on a golden chain.
The "Valley of the Beholder" was once lush, but the beholder came up from the underdark and made the place desolate by destroying "all things of beauty". Dungeon Master says "only beauty can defeat the eye of beholder"
The kids somehow enter a place filled with giant mushrooms, that's dark, and filled with snail people. So, I would presume that at some point they entered the underdark that the beholder came from in an effort to get away from the devastating heat of the sun. These snail folk are adversely affected by light. In this place, Diana picks some purple flower that she gives to Sir John.
Venger blackmails Sir John into betraying the "young ones" by holding Timothy captive. Presto summons a garbage can lid to serve as Sir John's shield. The purple flower, when shown to the beholder, somehow deflates it and opens a portal to the "young ones" home. Venger turns on Sir John. The "young ones" come to Sir John's aid and chase off Venger rather than return home. The "deflated" beholder slides through a crack in the earth into the underdark and suddenly the land is lush again.
Personal Notes: so this beholder isn't standard fare apparently, and the place seems somehow cursed, such that when the beholder is "deflated" the curse is removed. So, backstory of why/how this was all setup is wide open for development
S1 E3 - Hall of Bones
opens on some forested landscape and the "young ones" are being attacked by brown furred flying monkeys or something akin to Alaghi with wings. The wings are bat like, so they could be demonspawn ... or have been bred by a similar figure of power like Camazotz, demipower of bats who Ed placed in the realms. Or could simply be a creation of Venger's or something like half-draconic alaghi. Possibly having Camazotz "somehow" enhancing some Alaghi, and could play with this as being Anchorome transferred to Abeir during the spellplague years .... and the place being the Adusgee Forest in Anchorome that me and Seethyr had developed.
The kids special weapons need to get recharged, and they have to get recharged in the Hall of Bones. Its in some mountains surrounded by the bones of some of the land's greatest fallen warriors.
The kids enter some village with medeival cobblestone buildings and a huge mix of races (bugbears, lizard folk, orcs, trolls, ogres, hobgoblins, etc..). At first thought, if Fort Flame has a "sister city" of exiled Thayans (what I've shown as the city called the "Balduran Bay Trade Enclave"), they might have a lot of these types of humanoids as servitors brought over from Faerun.
In this village, they get led into the underdark in an alleyway by a pale-skinned woman who ends up being "Lolth, Demon Queen of Spiders" and is working in league with Venger. The kids fall into a spider web above a bottomless pit with some kind of portal looking light at the bottom, and Venger sends the "flying monkeys"/"flying alaghi" to steal their magic items. The kids escape, Lolth falls into the bottomless pit.
So, that being said... Thayan enclave gets built atop an unholy site with a "pit" like many that we see in Faerun. If this is post spellplague in Abeir, having Lolth and Tiamat both having weak powered "aspects" of themselves in the world works with a lot of the story lines I've discussed over the last few years ... and this makes it more palatable that the "young ones" encounter them and survive if these beings are way underpowered.
Moving on, the "young ones" travel through the underdark until some kind of earthquake suddenly opens a way to the surface. They find Venger and Tiamat fighting, with Venger using the magic items he acquired (but he finds out they need a recharge). In theory, the two of them fighting blasted the hole that the kids came out of. Venger flees with Tiamat chasing, and a shadow demon in service of Venger discovers that the kids are going to the "Hall of Bones".
The children meet a halfling named Hector the halfling on a lush, flowered road, and he offers to lead them to the "Hall of Bones", which leads to a series of rocky canyons. Eventually, a castle in the shape of vaguely skull like shape with "rib" like spokes poking out and a long bridge to it is seen. A volcano is in the background. In the Hall of Bones is a "primordial head sized" skull known as "The Skull of Power" that's said to be infused with the power of the dead warriors that surround the Hall. |
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Edited by - sleyvas on 19 Dec 2025 18:44:44 |
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D&D cartoon IDW comic say show set in FR all along
