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Master Katarn
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 Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 16:50:44
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Just today, the comic book 'Dungeons & Dragons: Saturday Morning Adventures #1' went on sale, intended by WOTC and IDW to be a continuation of the tv show (when this takes place in relation to the audio play Reqiuem isn't clear, but possibly before that).
In literally the first page, it says in the prose recap "In the early 1980s, six kids... were enjoying a day at the amusement park. That is, until a fateful ride on a D&D themed roller coaster transported them to the Forgotten Realms!"
Isn't this a HUGE retcon? I think before now it was long assumed that the cartoon took place on some generic D&D setting, or maybe Greyhawk. Yes, the D&D cartoon protagonists have featured in Realms works before, notably the Grand Tour comic book with Elminster, a painting in Baldur's Gate 2 jokingly referring to them rumored to have been killed and most recently (minor spoilers for upcoming D&D movie)
unnamed people who look like them, with no lines, in Dungeons & Dragons Honor Among Thieves
However, in all of the above cases, it could be handwaved that the D&D protagonists traveled to the Realms AFTER the events of the cartoon, not that the cartoon was set in the Forgotten Realms itself.
Now however, this comic book outright says that the show was taking place in the Realms the whole time and appears to be the current official stance on the matter by WOTC. This would also retroactively make the cartoon the first Realms products as they came out 1983-1985, predating 1987's Darkwalker on Moonshae and even the Forgotten Realms Campaign set that debuted the whole setting!
Thoughts? Any cartoon/Realms experts who can point out any possible contradictions in this retcon?
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 17:30:50
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| I agree. My memory is too fuzzy on the cartoon, but where in the Realm did all of their adventures (the town of Helix for example) allegedly take place would be my question. Dungeon Master (and possibly Venger) could be a god or something else, fine, but I don't see how to fit all the cartoon locations into the Realms. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 17:48:29
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The Realms does not have a DM living in it, so that would strike me as a problem. Of course one might say DM was a deity/mage using a different name. The various adventures might also conflict. Venger could also have a different name.
A review of summaries of the episodes do not appear to cause any major conflict.
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 18:33:45
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Originally posted by TomCosta
I agree. My memory is too fuzzy on the cartoon, but where in the Realm did all of their adventures (the town of Helix for example) allegedly take place would be my question. Dungeon Master (and possibly Venger) could be a god or something else, fine, but I don't see how to fit all the cartoon locations into the Realms.
Does the twin planet of Abeir count as the Forgotten Realms? Maybe the cartoon takes place on there, then when a portion of Abeir was transported back to Toril, the protagonists were transported along with it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 18:39:42
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TSR didn't buy the Realms until 1986 or 1987. Therefore, a cartoon airing before then could not have been set there.
Even saying they were on one of the undescribed continents on Abeir-Toril still means TSR was using an IP they didn't own.
It's been a long time since I saw the cartoon, but from what I recall, there was absolutely nothing that specifically tied it to any specific D&D setting -- I don't recall if they even used any of the named spells, like any of the spells named for Bigby or Mordenkainen. The place was described as "the Realm" (not Realms, but singular), IIRC.
So yeah, this is a huge retcon, and it's another sign that the current "design" team just doesn't care about continuity and thinks the Realms is a salad bar they can pick and choose from and ignore anything they don't like.
I'm going to stick with my stance that the kids were stuck somewhere else, and eventually said "screw it" and hopped into one of the many portals they kept finding, and wound up in the Realms. I'm kinda leaning towards it being some sort of demiplane, with Venger also having been trapped there. |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 18:56:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
TSR didn't buy the Realms until 1986 or 1987. Therefore, a cartoon airing before then could not have been set there.
That's kind of quibbling, for example DC didn't own the original Captain Marvel/Shazam comic books from the 1940s owned by Fawcett Comics either, but once they bought the rights the official word became and remains that those comics took place in the DC Universe "all along".
I'd be curious what Ed Greenwood thinks about this. If he was game and an area assigned in the Realms for where the cartoon would've taken place, he'd be the one who should do it. |
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Werthead
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 21:48:42
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The Desert of Desolation modules were published in 1983 and Damara, Vaasa and the Bloodstone Pass in 1985, not to mention Kara-Tur, also in 1985, which were all later bolted into the Forgotten Realms setting (also Moonshae, developed by Doug Niles as their own setting a year or two before the Realms launched). Retconning other things into the Realms has a very long and honourable (?) history.
Also, not to mention that the FR first appeared in print with Ed's Dragon Magazine articles starting in 1979, even if it took a while to start getting the sense of a cohesive world out of them (Waterdeep isn't mentioned until 1982, for example).
Obviously this is a silly retcon, since Venger and Tiamat tearing up the Realms would (you'd assume) attract the attention of any number of Realms notables, but you could fit it in somewhere, especially going back thousands of years or choosing a different continent or even punting the whole thing onto Abeir or one of the other planets in Realmspace.
WotC also seem to be using the term "Forgotten Realms" increasingly very loosely. I've seen seen it used to refer to Sigil, Ravenloft and Spelljammer, making me think they're (mis)using the term to refer to "the entire D&D multiverse." |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 22:11:42
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Originally posted by Werthead
The Desert of Desolation modules were published in 1983 and Damara, Vaasa and the Bloodstone Pass in 1985, not to mention Kara-Tur, also in 1985, which were all later bolted into the Forgotten Realms setting (also Moonshae, developed by Doug Niles as their own setting a year or two before the Realms launched). Retconning other things into the Realms has a very long and honourable (?) history.
Also, not to mention that the FR first appeared in print with Ed's Dragon Magazine articles starting in 1979, even if it took a while to start getting the sense of a cohesive world out of them (Waterdeep isn't mentioned until 1982, for example).
Obviously this is a silly retcon, since Venger and Tiamat tearing up the Realms would (you'd assume) attract the attention of any number of Realms notables, but you could fit it in somewhere, especially going back thousands of years or choosing a different continent or even punting the whole thing onto Abeir or one of the other planets in Realmspace.
WotC also seem to be using the term "Forgotten Realms" increasingly very loosely. I've seen seen it used to refer to Sigil, Ravenloft and Spelljammer, making me think they're (mis)using the term to refer to "the entire D&D multiverse."
I read the first issue and the kids themselves in the comic refer to being in the "Forgotten Realms" in dialogue (not Faerun or Toril or Sword Coast). One even says "We saved the Forgotten Realms like a dozen times."
At the end of the issue, they cast some spell to try to take them back to Earth, and instead end up in Waterdeep. That's when the issue ends. It's not clear if they teleported themselves to another city within the same world they were already on or onto a different planet. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 23:09:14
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| Ummm... Sorry to burst so many bubbles, but the kids have been in the Realms since 1996 and in the comic book The Grand Tour when Presto tries to get Elminster to mentor him. Plus, there was images of them in Candlekeep in the Baldur's Gate II PC game. |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 23:16:51
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Ummm... Sorry to burst so many bubbles, but the kids have been in the Realms since 1996 and in the comic book The Grand Tour when Presto tries to get Elminster to mentor him. Plus, there was images of them in Candlekeep in the Baldur's Gate II PC game.
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Originally posted by Master Katarn
before now it was long assumed that the cartoon took place on some generic D&D setting, or maybe Greyhawk. Yes, the D&D cartoon protagonists have featured in Realms works before, notably the Grand Tour comic book with Elminster, a painting in Baldur's Gate 2 jokingly referring to them rumored to have been killed
However, in all of the above cases, it could be handwaved that the D&D protagonists traveled to the Realms AFTER the events of the cartoon, not that the cartoon was set in the Forgotten Realms itself.
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Mar 2023 : 23:18:41
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Originally posted by Master Katarn
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Ummm... Sorry to burst so many bubbles, but the kids have been in the Realms since 1996 and in the comic book The Grand Tour when Presto tries to get Elminster to mentor him. Plus, there was images of them in Candlekeep in the Baldur's Gate II PC game.
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Originally posted by Master Katarn
before now it was long assumed that the cartoon took place on some generic D&D setting, or maybe Greyhawk. Yes, the D&D cartoon protagonists have featured in Realms works before, notably the Grand Tour comic book with Elminster, a painting in Baldur's Gate 2 jokingly referring to them rumored to have been killed
However, in all of the above cases, it could be handwaved that the D&D protagonists traveled to the Realms AFTER the events of the cartoon, not that the cartoon was set in the Forgotten Realms itself.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 00:11:34
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Originally posted by Master Katarn
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Originally posted by TomCosta
I agree. My memory is too fuzzy on the cartoon, but where in the Realm did all of their adventures (the town of Helix for example) allegedly take place would be my question. Dungeon Master (and possibly Venger) could be a god or something else, fine, but I don't see how to fit all the cartoon locations into the Realms.
Does the twin planet of Abeir count as the Forgotten Realms? Maybe the cartoon takes place on there, then when a portion of Abeir was transported back to Toril, the protagonists were transported along with it.
There were clerics and paladins in the cartoon.
Oh, and I would be surprised if anyone in FR referred to it as the "forgotten" realms.... the realms maybe... Toril, Faerun, Realmspace, Abeir-Toril... maybe... but I just can't buy anyone in setting calling it "the forgotten realms". |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 01:19:46
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I think it's a great retcon and hopefully will result in them coming back.
But since they showed up in the Dungeons and Dragons movie, we can assume that it's the case.
Alternatively, they were on another world and then got themselves transported to the Realms sometime after the cartoon.
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 02:10:49
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 02:18:59
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Wolfhound75
Learned Scribe
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217 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 05:50:06
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Originally posted by Kentinal
The Realms does not have a DM living in it, so that would strike me as a problem. Of course one might say DM was a deity/mage using a different name. The various adventures might also conflict. Venger could also have a different name.
Not to date myself but, why not Mask? In the ToT/Avatar Series, he did disguise himself as a short sword known as Godsbane, which found it's way into Cyric's possession. Clearly, he's got a reputation. :D |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 06:27:42
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Originally posted by Wolfhound75
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Originally posted by Kentinal
The Realms does not have a DM living in it, so that would strike me as a problem. Of course one might say DM was a deity/mage using a different name. The various adventures might also conflict. Venger could also have a different name.
Not to date myself but, why not Mask? In the ToT/Avatar Series, he did disguise himself as a short sword known as Godsbane, which found it's way into Cyric's possession. Clearly, he's got a reputation. :D
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So this comic confirms he was talking to
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 13:46:11
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I don't see Dungeon Naster as anything weirder than the hundreds of other Epic Level wizards scattered across the Realms.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 13:57:46
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
I think it's a great retcon and hopefully will result in them coming back.
But since they showed up in the Dungeons and Dragons movie, we can assume that it's the case.
Alternatively, they were on another world and then got themselves transported to the Realms sometime after the cartoon.
THAT is more believable and easier to include. |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 16:14:32
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
I think it's a great retcon and hopefully will result in them coming back.
But since they showed up in the Dungeons and Dragons movie, we can assume that it's the case.
Alternatively, they were on another world and then got themselves transported to the Realms sometime after the cartoon.
THAT is more believable and easier to include.
Yeah but talk about yanking the dog's chain. They spend 20+ episodes trying to find a way off the world they were located on, succeed, and then end up on a DIFFERENT high fantasy world.
It even has an even blacker bit of humor that they've clearly met Elminster, probably after giving up getting home, and he explicitly knows how to get to reach our world from canon.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 18:21:37
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
I think it's a great retcon and hopefully will result in them coming back.
But since they showed up in the Dungeons and Dragons movie, we can assume that it's the case.
Alternatively, they were on another world and then got themselves transported to the Realms sometime after the cartoon.
THAT is more believable and easier to include.
Yeah but talk about yanking the dog's chain. They spend 20+ episodes trying to find a way off the world they were located on, succeed, and then end up on a DIFFERENT high fantasy world.
It even has an even blacker bit of humor that they've clearly met Elminster, probably after giving up getting home, and he explicitly knows how to get to reach our world from canon.
You MIGHT turn that blacker bit of humor into something nicer if you say that AFTER they met Elminster is when.... in helping them... he discovered the path to our world. Maybe the reports of their deaths are exagerrated, and periodically like the kids in Narnia, they come back to Toril. Whenever they pass through, they may even revert to a younger age... like the Narnian children.
In fact, we actually aren't sure of what year the kids went TO the place they went to in the first place. We have images of a roller coaster, and we can see how their dressed... but that COULD have been from the 1960's... maybe? Ed was born in 1959. He "invented" the realms in his mind in the mid-60's. If he wanted to announce that Bobby the barbarian was really his friend growing up.... I'd go with it.. Or even if he announced that "Presto" was his nickname and THAT'S how he met Elminster (if that were the case and Presto was 14, that would put the date of going on the roller coaster ride to 1973). Would it be corny? Yes. Would I accept it? Yes.
Ironically... If Ed WERE supposed to be Presto... and if Presto supposedly appears in the new movie... then someone portraying Ed would be performing a cameo in the new movie. Or I might just be being silly. |
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Wolfhound75
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 18:44:18
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Yeah but talk about yanking the dog's chain. They spend 20+ episodes trying to find a way off the world they were located on, succeed, and then end up on a DIFFERENT high fantasy world.
Just a random opinion but, given the time the cartoon was being aired - D&D and Loony Tunes totally made it worth getting up Saturday mornings as a kid - I've always viewed what you describe as "jumping to a different crystal sphere" which contained one of the other D&D worlds, e.g. Greyhawk, Oerth, etc.
Probably not correct in the strictest sense, but it worked for the mega campaign I was building and helped explain the cartoon series in a way that at least took more than a passing effort at explaining it as 'canon' even if it was for my personal game.
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 20:01:10
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If we're taking EVERYTHING as canonical and, being nerds, of course we are.
Then the D&D children either died and got resurrected or the stories of their demise were greatly exaggerated due to them appearing post-Spellplague as twenty-somethings.
Perhaps getting shot forward in time. |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 20:19:23
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I’d like it to be true but I’m just not buying it. I have watched those cartoons recently dozens of times with my kids and in the hundreds of miles the kids covered, dozens of kingdoms they got involved with or helped end a threat towards, not a single one resembled anything remotely known Realmsian. Could it have been unknown lands? Sure that would work I guess but only as a major stretch.
I do like them there though. If there is a way to story them in I’m all for it. Maybe somewhere along the line someone will write a comic or story equivalent of Rogue One for the DND cartoon and the kids in the Realms. Maybe Ed! That would make me smile for certain |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 20:30:58
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Originally posted by sleyvas
You MIGHT turn that blacker bit of humor into something nicer if you say that AFTER they met Elminster is when.... in helping them... he discovered the path to our world. Maybe the reports of their deaths are exagerrated, and periodically like the kids in Narnia, they come back to Toril. Whenever they pass through, they may even revert to a younger age... like the Narnian children.
In fact, we actually aren't sure of what year the kids went TO the place they went to in the first place. We have images of a roller coaster, and we can see how their dressed... but that COULD have been from the 1960's... maybe? Ed was born in 1959. He "invented" the realms in his mind in the mid-60's. If he wanted to announce that Bobby the barbarian was really his friend growing up.... I'd go with it.. Or even if he announced that "Presto" was his nickname and THAT'S how he met Elminster (if that were the case and Presto was 14, that would put the date of going on the roller coaster ride to 1973). Would it be corny? Yes. Would I accept it? Yes.
Ironically... If Ed WERE supposed to be Presto... and if Presto supposedly appears in the new movie... then someone portraying Ed would be performing a cameo in the new movie. Or I might just be being silly.
Their hair and attire was 80's. And there's no way a D&D roller coaster would have existed in the 60's when D&D wasn't even around.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 20:38:59
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Yeah but talk about yanking the dog's chain. They spend 20+ episodes trying to find a way off the world they were located on, succeed, and then end up on a DIFFERENT high fantasy world.
It even has an even blacker bit of humor that they've clearly met Elminster, probably after giving up getting home, and he explicitly knows how to get to reach our world from canon.
They did make it home in the cartoon, in one episode. But Venger followed them and their weapons were useless in the real world, so they went back.
But also, in one episode, there was a girl who saw the future in her dreams -- and Dungeon Master showed Bobby her last dream before going home, and it was him greeting her at school and returning her necklace.
So if that did happen, maybe the kids did make it home, but decided for some reason not to stay, and either went back to the Realm and transited to the Realms from there, or they went to the Realms, instead.
(It should also be noted that the final episode ended with them having to choose between staying and redeeming Venger, or going home. This episode was never aired, though, and may not have even made it past the script stage, so I'm comfortable leaving it out of the equation.) |
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Gelcur
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 22:03:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Yeah but talk about yanking the dog's chain. They spend 20+ episodes trying to find a way off the world they were located on, succeed, and then end up on a DIFFERENT high fantasy world.
It even has an even blacker bit of humor that they've clearly met Elminster, probably after giving up getting home, and he explicitly knows how to get to reach our world from canon.
They did make it home in the cartoon, in one episode. But Venger followed them and their weapons were useless in the real world, so they went back.
But also, in one episode, there was a girl who saw the future in her dreams -- and Dungeon Master showed Bobby her last dream before going home, and it was him greeting her at school and returning her necklace.
So if that did happen, maybe the kids did make it home, but decided for some reason not to stay, and either went back to the Realm and transited to the Realms from there, or they went to the Realms, instead.
(It should also be noted that the final episode ended with them having to choose between staying and redeeming Venger, or going home. This episode was never aired, though, and may not have even made it past the script stage, so I'm comfortable leaving it out of the equation.)
This.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
You MIGHT turn that blacker bit of humor into something nicer if you say that AFTER they met Elminster is when.... in helping them... he discovered the path to our world. Maybe the reports of their deaths are exagerrated, and periodically like the kids in Narnia, they come back to Toril. Whenever they pass through, they may even revert to a younger age... like the Narnian children.
In fact, we actually aren't sure of what year the kids went TO the place they went to in the first place. We have images of a roller coaster, and we can see how their dressed... but that COULD have been from the 1960's... maybe? Ed was born in 1959. He "invented" the realms in his mind in the mid-60's. If he wanted to announce that Bobby the barbarian was really his friend growing up.... I'd go with it.. Or even if he announced that "Presto" was his nickname and THAT'S how he met Elminster (if that were the case and Presto was 14, that would put the date of going on the roller coaster ride to 1973). Would it be corny? Yes. Would I accept it? Yes.
Ironically... If Ed WERE supposed to be Presto... and if Presto supposedly appears in the new movie... then someone portraying Ed would be performing a cameo in the new movie. Or I might just be being silly.
And this.
Seeing something similar done by WotC would make me happy. But that would require work and time and heaven forbid research. The sad part is if the person in charge of this came here and asked for an info dump on the D&D cartoon, they would have some of the most knowledgeable sages doing most the work for them. They could pose as a DM looking for help for as much as I care.
Something like this happened with the Transformers Beast Wars cartoon in the 90s, after a season of making whatever the creators actually went to some boards on this new thing called the internet and found an online community that was big G1 fans and they started picking their brains and incorporated a lot of it into the following seasons. It made that show amazing. |
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Master Katarn
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 22:45:08
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I'm wondering how many people here have read the comic in question, which is available digitally, isn't that expensive, and is rather short, because points brought up here in this thread are answered in the comic itself already.
The comic makes it clear the cartoon was supposedly set in the Forgotten Realms all along, as I mentioned in my original post. Furthermore, the kids themselves in the comic call the land they're in the Forgotten Realms, which is really strange since in-universe no one describes their world that way, they say Toril, Faerun, etc.
The comic also makes it clear that the kids are from early 1980s Earth in the first page. Not 1960s or whatever. Even more interesting is that in the Grand History of the Realms, as seen at https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/1357_DR , 1357 DR was equated with Earth 1987. Meaning that if you do the math, the kids had to have been running around circa 1350 DR something in the Forgotten Realms (the kids' ages are given in the comic, which indicate that no more than a year has passed since their initial arrival).
They teleport to Waterdeep at comic's end, but it's not clear if it's meant to be another planet or just a new city in the same world.
Abeir might work as a retcon, if you count it as Forgotten Realms somehow, but isn't Abeir's sun supposed to be blue? The sun in the D&D cartoon isn't, I don't think.
If we follow 1357 DR equaling 1987, then the D&D movie takes place in the late 1490s DR, meaning the Earth year equivalent would be late 2090s. If these are the same D&D kids they'd be well over 100 years old. |
Edited by - Master Katarn on 30 Mar 2023 22:46:28 |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 23:14:45
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We also have them appearing in the 1370s Realms, though, given the Baldur's Gate reference and that atrocious Grand Tour comic. The only ways to fix that issue are to make them somehow very long-lived, or put them on ice for a while.
Given that the cartoon was clearly not set in the Forgotten Realms, and the stuff from the cartoon itself (like their promised return home), I'm sticking with them having gone home, spent time there, then left. It's possible that when they left Earth the third time -- maybe even using the same roller coaster -- it brought them to the Realms instead of the Realm. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 30 Mar 2023 23:15:07 |
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Master Katarn
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Posted - 30 Mar 2023 : 23:52:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We also have them appearing in the 1370s Realms, though, given the Baldur's Gate reference and that atrocious Grand Tour comic. The only ways to fix that issue are to make them somehow very long-lived, or put them on ice for a while.
Given that the cartoon was clearly not set in the Forgotten Realms, and the stuff from the cartoon itself (like their promised return home), I'm sticking with them having gone home, spent time there, then left. It's possible that when they left Earth the third time -- maybe even using the same roller coaster -- it brought them to the Realms instead of the Realm.
Pretty sure the Grand Tour comic is mid-1360s, and the Baldur's Gate reference is only a painting. They'd be 20 something, hardly problematic.
They outright go to Waterdeep at the end of the comic, which has to take place before Requiem. I assume we'll get more clues next issue if they show this to be 1300s Waterdeep or 1400s Waterdeep. |
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D&D cartoon IDW comic say show set in FR all along
