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Originally posted by rabindranath72

Dear all,
I am planning on running Under Illefarn using 3e (3.0) rules, and I was wondering if anyone had already done a conversion.
I am aware of Eric Boyd's "magnum opus" Under Illefarn Anew, but that material goes way above and beyond of what I need (though I'll definitely borrow hooks and plot ideas). In particular, I am not keen on all the splatbook classes and prestige classes that Mr. Boyd has used, and I don't agree with some conversions (e.g. he converted Redeye the lizard man to a Barbarian, whereas in the source material he is a cleric; I definitely want to make him a cleric). I only want to use the 3.0 core books (PHB, DMG, MM), the FRCS book, and possibly Monsters of Faerun and MM2 (I also have Silver Marches and Lords of Darkness). Looking at the material in Under Illefarn, it looks like pretty much should be convertible straight away, but I thought I'd ask if someone had done it already from way back when 3e was new.

Thanks in advance,
Antonio

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

No worries. Different strokes for different folks.

FWIW, I changed Redeye's class because I was trying to split the difference between the original Under Illefarn's write-up (1e) and how he was described in The North boxed set (2e) and how he was described in the FRCS (3e). My reasoning is discussed in the annotated version of UIA in the comments.

Here's the comment of interest:

In N5 – Under Illefarn, page 25, Redeye is listed as a N male lizardfolk Clr7 (primarily to give him access to tongues to speak with the PCs). In The North: The Wilderness, page 65, and The North: Daggerford, page 5, he is rumored to have been killed by adventurers and risen as a lich who is now extorting Daggerford for gold. In FRCS (3e), page 224, he is listed as a CE male lizardfolk Bbn11/Chm5 of Talos. I decide to favor the first source in terms of alignment and the last source in terms of his eventual abilities, but introduce a story arc that would explain the alignment transformation, leadership of a mega-tribe, and hunger for metal weapons.

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Originally posted by rabindranath72

Dear all,
I am planning on running Under Illefarn using 3e (3.0) rules, and I was wondering if anyone had already done a conversion.
I am aware of Eric Boyd's "magnum opus" Under Illefarn Anew, but that material goes way above and beyond of what I need (though I'll definitely borrow hooks and plot ideas). In particular, I am not keen on all the splatbook classes and prestige classes that Mr. Boyd has used, and I don't agree with some conversions (e.g. he converted Redeye the lizard man to a Barbarian, whereas in the source material he is a cleric; I definitely want to make him a cleric). I only want to use the 3.0 core books (PHB, DMG, MM), the FRCS book, and possibly Monsters of Faerun and MM2 (I also have Silver Marches and Lords of Darkness). Looking at the material in Under Illefarn, it looks like pretty much should be convertible straight away, but I thought I'd ask if someone had done it already from way back when 3e was new.

Thanks in advance,
Antonio

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Originally posted by rabindranath72

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

No worries. Different strokes for different folks.

FWIW, I changed Redeye's class because I was trying to split the difference between the original Under Illefarn's write-up (1e) and how he was described in The North boxed set (2e) and how he was described in the FRCS (3e). My reasoning is discussed in the annotated version of UIA in the comments.

Here's the comment of interest:

In N5 – Under Illefarn, page 25, Redeye is listed as a N male lizardfolk Clr7 (primarily to give him access to tongues to speak with the PCs). In The North: The Wilderness, page 65, and The North: Daggerford, page 5, he is rumored to have been killed by adventurers and risen as a lich who is now extorting Daggerford for gold. In FRCS (3e), page 224, he is listed as a CE male lizardfolk Bbn11/Chm5 of Talos. I decide to favor the first source in terms of alignment and the last source in terms of his eventual abilities, but introduce a story arc that would explain the alignment transformation, leadership of a mega-tribe, and hunger for metal weapons.

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Originally posted by rabindranath72

Dear all,
I am planning on running Under Illefarn using 3e (3.0) rules, and I was wondering if anyone had already done a conversion.
I am aware of Eric Boyd's "magnum opus" Under Illefarn Anew, but that material goes way above and beyond of what I need (though I'll definitely borrow hooks and plot ideas). In particular, I am not keen on all the splatbook classes and prestige classes that Mr. Boyd has used, and I don't agree with some conversions (e.g. he converted Redeye the lizard man to a Barbarian, whereas in the source material he is a cleric; I definitely want to make him a cleric). I only want to use the 3.0 core books (PHB, DMG, MM), the FRCS book, and possibly Monsters of Faerun and MM2 (I also have Silver Marches and Lords of Darkness). Looking at the material in Under Illefarn, it looks like pretty much should be convertible straight away, but I thought I'd ask if someone had done it already from way back when 3e was new.

Thanks in advance,
Antonio

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! I suspected there must have been an "evolutionary" thinking behind the change, to accommodate both the source and what's reported in the FRCS. The info in the 2e material is interesting, but I don't have any 2e sources to build on. I think I may have an old version of Under Illefarn Anew, is the annotated version available for download?

The plan is to run the material for my kids, but they are quite young, they don't care a lot about mechanics, so everything beyond the core material is really overkill, both for them, and for me (I never liked splatbooks, and always tend to gravitate towards the simplest stuff; even prestige classes leave me a little "cold", so to speak, and even back in the day I allowed them only rarely.)

Thanks,
Antonio

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Originally posted by rabindranath72

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I suspected there must have been an "evolutionary" thinking behind the change, to accommodate both the source and what's reported in the FRCS. The info in the 2e material is interesting, but I don't have any 2e sources to build on. I think I may have an old version of Under Illefarn Anew, is the annotated version available for download?

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The plan is to run the material for my kids, but they are quite young, they don't care a lot about mechanics, so everything beyond the core material is really overkill, both for them, and for me (I never liked splatbooks, and always tend to gravitate towards the simplest stuff; even prestige classes leave me a little "cold", so to speak, and even back in the day I allowed them only rarely.)

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Originally posted by rabindranath72

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I suspected there must have been an "evolutionary" thinking behind the change, to accommodate both the source and what's reported in the FRCS. The info in the 2e material is interesting, but I don't have any 2e sources to build on. I think I may have an old version of Under Illefarn Anew, is the annotated version available for download?

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http://www.candlekeep.com/downloads/UnderIllefarnAnew.pdf
http://www.candlekeep.com/downloads/UnderIllefarnAnewAnnotated.pdf

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The plan is to run the material for my kids, but they are quite young, they don't care a lot about mechanics, so everything beyond the core material is really overkill, both for them, and for me (I never liked splatbooks, and always tend to gravitate towards the simplest stuff; even prestige classes leave me a little "cold", so to speak, and even back in the day I allowed them only rarely.)

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I wrote UIA with George for my kids. Great adventure for that.

In general, reversing the "splatbooks" is easy. If they are a fighter 5 / prestige class 4, make them a fighter 9.

Like sleyvas, I prefer making the NPCs as unique as a I can, so I enjoy making use of the full range of published material, but all styles of play are fun.

--Eric

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

With a very small group like that, I might propose 2 major shifts in the "action."

1) Make more of the encounters something that can be resolved through talking (if humanoid) or scaring the monster away (through barking or drawing a sword). The wolf in particular ought to be able to scare monsters away by looking fierce.

2) The D&D fight system is kind of clunky. It's also not a good representation of the kind of fights you see in movies.

I would suggest giving both the ranger and the wolf one attack per opponent per round. I would suggest that all opponent attacks that hit do 1 point of damage. It's still the same basic mechanics, but together they can make a 2-person party of novices the equal of a typical 4 person party of experienced gamers.

Just some thoughts from when I ran it for my kids.

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

I wrote UIA with George for my kids. Great adventure for that.

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

I wrote UIA with George for my kids. Great adventure for that.

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You know I'm often asked what adventure I would suggest to someone DMing kids. I always suggest The Heroes of Hesiod, it is simple for even a non-DM to run and it is good for Ages 6+.

But I always wish I had a follow up and something to get people hooked on the Realms. What starting age would you suggest for UIA?

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