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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 28 Sep 2021 : 20:19:06
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And the setting revisit (aka The new Forgotten Realms Campaign Book), is also coming in 2024. The 50th Anniversary of D&D is supposed to be a really big deal so this makes sense.
Thoughts?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Sep 2021 : 20:43:30
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| Okay, I'll bite. Where is it stated that there's a new Forgotten Realms campaign book coming out? Because the new info from the other day didn't say a thing about the Realms. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1625 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2021 : 21:33:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, I'll bite. Where is it stated that there's a new Forgotten Realms campaign book coming out? Because the new info from the other day didn't say a thing about the Realms.
I asked Ray Winninger on Twitter if the 2023 classic setting announced was the revisit setting (which was obviously FR for a variety of reasons) and he said no, it's for 2024. Which actually makes sense because because the Forgotten Realms ALWAYS gets a new Campaign Setting Book of some sort during a major or minor edition change to update lore and mechanics, without fail since it first came out.
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Sep 2021 : 21:35:13
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Gyor
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"Is the 2023 classic setting the revisited setting you mentioned earlier or was the revisited setting book dropped?"
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"It's different. Two classic settings next year and a third in 2023, none of which were covered by previous 5E products. We're looking at "revisiting" a setting in 2024."
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lordsknight185
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Sep 2021 : 21:44:44
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Originally posted by Gyor
Which actually makes sense because because the Forgotten Realms ALWAYS gets a new Campaign Setting Book of some sort during a major or minor edition change to update lore and mechanics, without fail since it first came out.
There was no 3.5 FRCS. The closest thing we got in 3.5 was Players Guide to Faerun which didn't replace but just gave minor updates. My experience with 5e so far, I don't see them releasing something like that. I reckon the best we will get is some reprinted updated, like the sword/mage updated in tasha's. I will remain sceptical until they flat out say there will be another Realms book, beyond adventures. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Sep 2021 : 22:02:35
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Originally posted by lordsknight185
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Originally posted by Gyor
Which actually makes sense because because the Forgotten Realms ALWAYS gets a new Campaign Setting Book of some sort during a major or minor edition change to update lore and mechanics, without fail since it first came out.
There was no 3.5 FRCS. The closest thing we got in 3.5 was Players Guide to Faerun which didn't replace but just gave minor updates. My experience with 5e so far, I don't see them releasing something like that. I reckon the best we will get is some reprinted updated, like the sword/mage updated in tasha's. I will remain sceptical until they flat out say there will be another Realms book, beyond adventures.
I count the Players Guide to Faerun ad the 3.5 setting book as not much changed between 3e and 3.5e in FR, so it didn't need to repeat things,so instead it updated what needed to be updated and expanded otherwise. The SCAG changed a ton, but then provided no details or Faerun map.
And I get your skeptical, it's been a source of major frustration for FR fans that all we've had for most FR regions was a way too sparse SCAG.
I'll also note the Sword Coast Adventurers Guide is no Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book, no a much more serious and bigger campaign setting book will be needed for 5.5e then the Player's Guide to Faerun.
But I understand the skeptism, it's well earned, but it's not something they can put off forever. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Sep 2021 : 23:27:45
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So we again have the vague "revisiting a setting" message. I said it the last time you were on this tear, and I'll say it again: that does not in any way, shape, or form prove that it's a Forgotten Realms book.
Until someone at WotC actually -- and EXPLICITLY -- says that a new FR campaign book is coming out, I'm not going to do this routine of "oh, something was announced, it's gotta be FR-related!"
I get it, you want a proper FR campaign book. We all do. But we've already done this once. I don't see why we're doing it again. |
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Sep 2021 : 01:11:07
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There's already a thread for this topic in the RPG News & Releases forum.
Personally, though, I think the odds are pretty good that we get a new Forgotten Realms campaign setting the same year as 5.5E (2024). FR is still sort of the default setting of 5E, so it makes sense to update them side-by-side.
That said, I'm not holding my breath. Wizards might just as likely decide that a new edition calls for a new default setting (hello, Greyhawk...?). |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Sep 2021 : 01:21:15
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Originally posted by HighOne
There's already a thread for this topic in the RPG News & Releases forum.
Personally, though, I think the odds are pretty good that we get a new Forgotten Realms campaign setting the same year as 5.5E (2024). FR is still sort of the default setting of 5E, so it makes sense to update them side-by-side.
That said, I'm not holding my breath. Wizards might just as likely decide that a new edition calls for a new default setting (hello, Greyhawk...?).
Oops, I didn't know about the other thread as I mostly just stick to general. |
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
1309 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2021 : 06:21:04
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Originally posted by HighOne
Wizards might just as likely decide that a new edition calls for a new default setting (hello, Greyhawk...?).
Good. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Sep 2021 : 08:49:07
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Originally posted by HighOne
Wizards might just as likely decide that a new edition calls for a new default setting (hello, Greyhawk...?).
We can only hope.
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
1309 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2021 : 23:55:30
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| While we're at it, can we get a last minute rewrite of the upcoming Dungeons & Dragons movie where any reference to The Forgotten Realms is replaced with Greyhawk/Oerth? |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Sep 2021 : 00:02:15
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Sep 2021 : 00:12:10
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| Looking back, the last time there was a significant gap between the debut of a new edition of D&D and a Forgotten Realms campaign setting guide/book/box was AD&D 2e: the game system debuted in 1989 and the 2e FRCS was released in 1993. If this latest news is true, that will mean there was a ten year delay from the start of 5e until the release of the 5e FRCS. That is insane. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 30 Sep 2021 : 12:04:00
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Originally posted by Azar
Looking back, the last time there was a significant gap between the debut of a new edition of D&D and a Forgotten Realms campaign setting guide/book/box was AD&D 2e: the game system debuted in 1989 and the 2e FRCS was released in 1993. If this latest news is true, that will mean there was a ten year delay from the start of 5e until the release of the 5e FRCS. That is insane.
Not when you consider how pissed off people were over the 4e one and its changes. That's why they've been slowly developing and seemingly getting feedback. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2021 : 14:02:16
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Azar
Looking back, the last time there was a significant gap between the debut of a new edition of D&D and a Forgotten Realms campaign setting guide/book/box was AD&D 2e: the game system debuted in 1989 and the 2e FRCS was released in 1993. If this latest news is true, that will mean there was a ten year delay from the start of 5e until the release of the 5e FRCS. That is insane.
Not when you consider how pissed off people were over the 4e one and its changes. That's why they've been slowly developing and seemingly getting feedback.
It's not about feedback at all. They're trying not to box themselves into any corners by not touching anything they don't have to. It's part of why they made a point of issuing that "it's not canon unless we wrote it" thing -- to shut people up who wanted lore continuity, regardless of whether it pertained to existing products or future ones. |
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
958 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2021 : 21:00:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It's not about feedback at all. They're trying not to box themselves into any corners by not touching anything they don't have to. It's part of why they made a point of issuing that "it's not canon unless we wrote it" thing -- to shut people up who wanted lore continuity, regardless of whether it pertained to existing products or future ones.
Sounds to me less the unreliable narrator and more Wizards DGAF. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Oct 2021 : 16:35:21
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I stopped trusting WotC years ago, especially where the Realms are concerned. But I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of them switching to a new core setting (such as Greyhawk). I know what's put out here at the keep by those who love the setting is better than anything they've done by a LARGE margin, but I don't want to see the Realms die a slow death due to lack of official support either.
I can only hope that if they switch to a new setting that they'll untie Ed's hands...but that won't happen because whatever he puts out will do far better than anything they release. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Oct 2021 : 08:55:02
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| do not forget about the one used by critical role. this very well could be the new core setting.... |
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2021 : 04:24:13
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Forget Wizards' awful products, you want to celebrate D&D's 50th? Head over to HeroForge and design a custom figure in bronze, looks close enough to gold. Make your all time favorite PC or your favorite character from the Realms, or any setting for that matter. You think it'll look a bit gaudy, it does but it will still put a smile on your face each time you see it. Still not your taste, you can print a colored mini they look great too. Or treat yourself to some Dwarven Forge to place minis in.
Point is D&D has grown well beyond Wizards at this point, you can still support your hobby/addiction without supporting Wizards bad decisions. |
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Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Oct 2021 : 10:28:46
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Originally posted by Gelcur
Forget Wizards' awful products, you want to celebrate D&D's 50th? Head over to HeroForge and design a custom figure in bronze, looks close enough to gold. Make your all time favorite PC or your favorite character from the Realms, or any setting for that matter. You think it'll look a bit gaudy, it does but it will still put a smile on your face each time you see it. Still not your taste, you can print a colored mini they look great too. Or treat yourself to some Dwarven Forge to place minis in.
Point is D&D has grown well beyond Wizards at this point, you can still support your hobby/addiction without supporting Wizards bad decisions.
I was momentarily confused because your post started out as an advertisement . |
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deserk
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2021 : 11:54:15
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| I hope they change the default setting of DND to something else than FR. It's odd that WotC hasn't already done it, because it's clear that no one at Wizards has any passion for the Realms. They use FR simply for it's recognizable brand. At this point I would say Larian Studios (video game developers of BG3) have more passion, competency and knowledge about the Realms than anyone at WotC. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2021 : 13:18:47
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Originally posted by deserk
I hope they change the default setting of DND to something else than FR. It's odd that WotC hasn't already done it, because it's clear that no one at Wizards has any passion for the Realms. They use FR simply for it's recognizable brand. At this point I would say Larian Studios (video game developers of BG3) have more passion, competency and knowledge about the Realms than anyone at WotC.
You've just answered yourself: "They use FR simply for it's recognizable brand."
The Realms will remain the default setting as long as they think it'll move a few more units. As soon as they decide some other setting will move more units, then that other setting will be the default. |
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2021 : 13:52:28
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Originally posted by Azar
I was momentarily confused because your post started out as an advertisement .
Sorry about that. I have no association with either company and only have first hand experience with one of those products. Another option for celebrating would be to reach out to old gaming groups and get something on the books well in advance. No purchase necessary there.
I just feel Wizards' poor choices shouldn't sour something that we should be celebrating, it's not often hobbies survive this long. |
The party come to a town befallen by hysteria
Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good. |
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Oct 2021 : 15:02:28
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Originally posted by deserk
At this point I would say Larian Studios (video game developers of BG3) have more passion, competency and knowledge about the Realms than anyone at WotC.
I'm not so sure about that. As someone else said...
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I think this all goes back to just how UN-Forgotten Realms this game is. Elves are humans with pointy ears (and there aren't sun elves/moon elves...merely generic "high elves"), Drow aren't Sunlight Sensitive, Phase Spiders teleport around like they all know a super version of Misty Step, Intellect Devourers don't devour intellect or use body thief or pounce on single individuals but act like standard Mind Flayer thugs, Imps have no resistance and are easy, level 1 noob enemies, Mud Mephits and their allies don't have proper stats or act like they should, the First Druid of the grove is a weak level 5 noob scrub who can't handle a bunch of goblins and needs you to rescue him, even though he's supposed to be a super awesome accomplished healer and everybody acts like he's an incredible fighter who saved a bunch of Tieflings on the road against a pack of Gnolls all by himself, the Hobgoblin warlord isn't a Hobgoblin warlord, the Drow Cleric of the Absolute (Minthara) is a pretty weak piece of nothing who can easily be beaten, Minotaurs don't act like Minotaurs, and Hook Horrors don't act like Hook Horrors or have proper stats, and everyone jumps around like super heroes and shoves people three hundred feet off cliffs.
I'd say that sums up the issue. The whole game needs some serious Forgotten Realms infused into it. Right now, it's a great game, and I love it, but it is so UN-Forgotten Realms. The more I play it and analyze it, the more I can understand why so many feel it is a Divinity - Original Sin 3 as opposed to a Baldur's Gate 3. Story and settings SAY it is Baldur's Gate 3, but mechanics and models say something else.
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The Realms will remain the default setting as long as they think it'll move a few more units. As soon as they decide some other setting will move more units, then that other setting will be the default.
Don't forget Salvatore and his apparently inexhaustible supply of steam.
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Originally posted by Azar
I was momentarily confused because your post started out as an advertisement .
Sorry about that. I have no association with either company and only have first hand experience with one of those products. Another option for celebrating would be to reach out to old gaming groups and get something on the books well in advance. No purchase necessary there.
I just feel Wizards' poor choices shouldn't sour something that we should be celebrating, it's not often hobbies survive this long.
For what it's worth, I didn't truly believe you were formally associated with them; consider my raspberry emoticon me having a bit of fun with you. Honestly, I agree...between the wealth of gold old school material available, online forums where I've seen Forgotten Realms ideas that rival or even surpass modern official supplements and the "used" tabletop gaming market, there is scarcely any reason for me to patronize Wizards of the Coast. |
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2021 : 17:03:10
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| Could you link me to where that BG3 critique is from? |
The party come to a town befallen by hysteria
Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Oct 2021 : 07:40:46
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BG3 has plenty of issues, ranging from Larian being unable to make a 5e game without Larianizing it to barrelmancy. WotC banking heavily on nostalgia and bringing back or outright retconning characters doesn't help/
At this point I'd suggest that anyone who wants to play a BG2 successor should go ahead and play Wrath of the Righteous. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Oct 2021 : 06:17:06
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| Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous are both solid games. |
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TKU
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Oct 2021 : 17:55:50
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| BG III is amazing for the character interactions and the amount of reactivity for the players actions in conversations, quests etc. I'm less sold on the plot-It seems like it's promising world, or even universe-changing events pretty much barely out of the prologue when we are still scrapping with goblins for most of act I. I think I would have preferred something a little less grandiose in scale at least for the early game, and I'm a little concerned that BG III is setting up the next big RSE. Divinity was their playground and I respect their decision to kill off gods and level continents or whatever for their game world-but I really hope nothing on the scale of DOS2 happens in BGIII. |
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Oct 2021 : 00:09:10
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Originally posted by Gelcur
Could you link me to where that BG3 critique is from?
In the near future, please check your Private Messages.
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Originally posted by LordofBones
BG3 has plenty of issues, ranging from Larian being unable to make a 5e game without Larianizing it to barrelmancy. WotC banking heavily on nostalgia and bringing back or outright retconning characters doesn't help/
At this point I'd suggest that anyone who wants to play a BG2 successor should go ahead and play Wrath of the Righteous.
Replicating the zeitgeist that made the Baldur's Gate series iconic is, well, if not impossible then nearly so, but with writers both skilled and dedicated enough, we could have received a Baldur's Gate 3 truer to the tone of its predecessors. Instead, we appear to be handed something trying to be its own beast while clothed in the Baldur's Game name. Oh well...c'est la vie.
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BG III is amazing for the character interactions and the amount of reactivity for the players actions in conversations, quests etc. I'm less sold on the plot-It seems like it's promising world, or even universe-changing events pretty much barely out of the prologue when we are still scrapping with goblins for most of act I. I think I would have preferred something a little less grandiose in scale at least for the early game, and I'm a little concerned that BG III is setting up the next big RSE.
I too dislike the explosive opening that's more than a little Michael Bayesque.
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Divinity was their playground and I respect their decision to kill off gods and level continents or whatever for their game world-but I really hope nothing on the scale of DOS2 happens in BGIII.
When a particular excerpt of an interview involving a BGIII developer came my way, I got a bad feeling about this game's direction.
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... so, the chance to do that, and to bring what basically is our RPG identity to Baldur's Gate as a franchise was an opportunity too good to resist. And so, what it will do for us... uh, what we think it will do for us is it's going to show a larger segment of people, because I think Baldur's Gate 3 will reach more people than Divinity will have done... it will show a larger segment of the population what our RPGs feel like and hopefully bring them to play our other games also.
There was a general emphasis on "How Baldur's Gate 3 will pimp our name." instead of "How we plan to honor this cherished CRPG franchise." |
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