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Necro
Acolyte
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 Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 21:11:04
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Hi
I'm thinking of making Candlekeep the target of a powerful NPC in my campaign. This NPC will somehow try to steal certain books from the inner chamber of Candlekeep and the players must discover and prevent this. But I'm not sure how this NPC should pull it off. Candlekeep has a lot of wards and spells, and I heard it also contains a ghost dragon?? Does anyone have some info on this? I have Volo's Guide to the North, but it doesn't seem to mention this dragon. Some concrete info on the wards would also be great (the place is warded vs. fire and teleports (I think), but is there anything else?).
Thanks!
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Necro
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 21:17:49
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| By the way, would Candlekeep hold anything else besides books and scrolls (like wands, artifacts, ...)? |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 21:56:25
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Well Met
Candlekeep has magic in place to prevent any form of flame within its walls. Very powerful wards are in place to prevent any damage (malicious or accidental) to the many thousands of scrolls and tomes kept within. The actual substance of books and cloth is protected, IIRC, only candles themselves are permitted to burn. i.e. placing a candle flame on the edge of a scroll or tapestry will NOT burn the item!
Very little information has been documented officially for Candlekeep. The only details of which im aware (much of it is repeated) exists in:
3ed FRCS book
Volos Guide to the Sword Coast
Players Guide to the Forgotten Realms |
Alaundo
Candlekeep Forums Head Moderator
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 10:05:03
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| In addition to the sources mentioned by Alaundo, Candlekeep also features in one of the Godswar novels. IIRC, it is in Crucible or in the Trial of Cyric. |
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The Defence Minister
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
218 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 17:59:19
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That is quite a cool idea.
I can confirm no more that what Alaundo has already said but my simple solution is: Just make it up!!!!
As long as it's realistic an believable to stop you inventing wards and defences.
TDM |
- TDM (Candlekeep's most popular, experienced and handsome member) |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 20:19:25
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In cases such as the ones you speak of, Necro (DMing a way into an impenetrable fortress), I like to rely on good-old-fashioned greed to get us in.
In other words, I could see this NPC walking into Candlekeep with a huge, rare and highly expensive tome to donate. This will allow him entrance. After that, perhaps he (or she, let's not be sexist  ) is able to dupe one of the moderate-level scribes or even a lowly janitor or something into betraying Candlekeep to him...an item that will allow him to bypass the security wards, a secret underground tunnel that one of the scribes used to use to sneak controversial tomes in through, etc....
Yup, nothing breaks down the mighty walls of a fortress like a backstabbing peon I always say! |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Zacas
Learned Scribe
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 21:57:36
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*cough*bull<censored>*cough*
Suurrreee Alaundo... then what was that tome i saw you carrying the other day with a half-naked drowess on the front? Hmm..? Not controversial my hairy arse :P hehe... j/k |
I am like a superhero, with no powers or motivation.
I have gone to find myself. If I get back before I return, please keep me here.
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Necro
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 21:58:54
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Thanks for all the great answers. Using a book to get someone inside looks like one of the most promising plans. I like logic in my games, so I'm always trying to find realistic reasons why things happen (and in this case, how the NPC managed to steal the stuff). Actually, a complex plan like the one in the movie "Ocean's Eleven" is what I'm looking for. On one side, this will really "wow" the players once they find out, and on the other side, the need for such a crazy plan would explain why no one tried (or succeeded) in the past. It gives the whole thing a very big "oh my god, he did it"-factor. :)
I have quite some time to think this up (the group's just started, so it will take some months or even years when we get to the Candlekeep part), but I'll probably drop in some related early adventure hooks to make everything fall into place in the end (don't you just love it when the pieces of your campaign in the end all fall into place?). |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2002 : 10:10:53
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2002 : 14:18:32
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Wow.....
Uhm......
Sorry? |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Kitira Gildragon
Learned Scribe
USA
191 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2002 : 14:34:45
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Ehm... what is controversial about religious art depicting Elistraee?
Might sound a bit odd, but anyway:
Elistraee? I think Soulafein  from BG2 said something about her... Who is she again ? |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2002 : 00:28:30
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No offense taken, Alaundo...I just didn't foresee my comments bringing down the wrath of the gods....
That foreseeing stuff is for you to do, right? |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Zacas
Learned Scribe
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2002 : 03:54:29
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Eilistraee is the "Goddess of Song and Beauty", "The Dark Maiden", "Lady of the Dance"
Her portfolio involves: Song, beauty, dance, swordwork, hunting and moonlight.
domains: Chaos, Charm, Drow, Elf, Good, Moon and Portal
Basically she's the goddess of "Good Drow" on the surface world... she's the one that urges her followers to get the drow back to living on the surface world in peace with the surface elves.
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For those that haven't read Evermeet:Island of Elves... she's technically Lloth's Daughter (back when Lloth was known as araushnee, Corellon's wife). When Araushnee(Lloth) had plotted a war against the Seldarine (Elven Pantheon) Eilistraee (inadvertantly) was caught in the middle of plot with her brother Vhaeraun (Now god of drow... often thieves and others with agendas on the surface world), who willingly helped Araushnee plot against Corellon and the rest of the pantheon... basically Eilistraee refused her father's pardon for her inadvertant part in the plot... saying she'd keep an eye on Lloth and Vhaeraun in Faerun... the three deities were banished from the elven pantheon and are in a sense mainly for Faerun. |
I am like a superhero, with no powers or motivation.
I have gone to find myself. If I get back before I return, please keep me here.
People like you are the reason people like me are on medication. |
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Captain Louis
Acolyte
USA
26 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2002 : 02:14:34
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2002 : 10:47:41
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No insects in Candlekeep...? Tell that to Alaundo. He keeps us cleaning up cobwebs all the time. |
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Zacas
Learned Scribe
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2002 : 20:59:46
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Probably cause Alaundo's the one that planted the cobwebs... just to keep you janitors busy (hehe) so that you won't find out about his secret harem down in the deep deep deep down basement... with all the nekkid drowesses from those magazines he collects... hehe... j/k
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I am like a superhero, with no powers or motivation.
I have gone to find myself. If I get back before I return, please keep me here.
People like you are the reason people like me are on medication. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2002 : 22:42:51
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what the?!?! Youre right Mumadar, there ARE insects around, I think I see a retchid bookworm right over there!! if i sneak up on it....... like this.......i.......can.......WHAM! there, stamped on it real good! Oops, hold on, its not a bookworm, it was Zacas!!!
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Alaundo
Candlekeep Forums Head Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
An Introduction to Candlekeep - by Ed Greenwood
The Candlekeep Compendium - Tomes of Realmslore penned by Scribes of Candlekeep
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Zacas
Learned Scribe
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 04:12:16
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| OWCH! dagnabbit... i'm gonna file a formal complaint... here i am... an innocent bystander and you come and stomp on me... prepared to beat me with your drow por... er swimsuit magazines... *coughs* Hrmph... see if i ever recommend this place to any of my friends... hehe... |
I am like a superhero, with no powers or motivation.
I have gone to find myself. If I get back before I return, please keep me here.
People like you are the reason people like me are on medication. |
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Frey
Learned Scribe
130 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2002 : 18:14:34
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| Spider are not insects... |
- Imagine ... there's no imagination. -
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2002 : 05:48:00
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Hmmmmm.....Zacas, I see I'm not the only Drow around here anymore, and It's about time!!!
And NO, spiders are not insects, the are equals, Lloth's children, you better not kill them, or the Naked Drow below in you Harem will revolt, trust me, you don't want a bunch of pissed off Drow coming after you, ecspecially the females!
"Long live the Drow!"
The Great Drizzt
P.S.-has anyone seen King Tiax around lately, is he still alive!? |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2002 : 17:46:06
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Originally posted by Frey
Spider are not insects...
But they do eat insects. There would not be so many spiderwebs if they could not survive inside Candlekeep, so there must be insects inside as well. |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2002 : 06:42:58
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Hhmmm.....the man brings up a good point!
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Salius Kai
Learned Scribe
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2002 : 04:31:31
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| Do we know for certain that there are even spiders in Candle Keep, or was that just something said when it got off topic a little ways back(I'm too lazy to check). |
"Welcome to these walls of infinite knowledge."
Salius Kai |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2002 : 02:34:16
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Originally posted by Salius_Kai
Do we know for certain that there are even spiders in Candle Keep, or was that just something said when it got off topic a little ways back(I'm too lazy to check).
I am pretty sure there are spiders in Candlekeep because I've heard of cobwebs in books about Candlekeep so there must be spiders. Well, anyway, sorry for the off-topic post. |
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Candlekeep defenses
Theres certainly no "sneaking" in of "controversial tomes", our scribes are never "duped" and we definately dont employ "lowly janitors"!! 
