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cpthero2
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 Posted - 14 Dec 2020 : 20:34:24
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Master LordofBones,
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That is, until 4e turned the Royal Family of Baator into a byzantine semi-incestous soap opera.
haha, so true. 4e just sort of went... full idiot, from my perspective.
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2020 : 00:37:25
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The world is full of many fantastic mythologies. I agree that us "Yanks" don't draw enough on what is here though (I myself am interested in Japanese mythology).
Oh thread topic: As Sleyvas quoted, I think the multispheric deities are aware of their various "personas", at least to some extent. |
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Returnip
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Dec 2020 : 08:26:28
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
The world is full of many fantastic mythologies. I agree that us "Yanks" don't draw enough on what is here though (I myself am interested in Japanese mythology).
Oh thread topic: As Sleyvas quoted, I think the multispheric deities are aware of their various "personas", at least to some extent.
I should add that some do allow themselves to become inspired by northern american culture to great effect. The understanding of frontier life is one of the things that makes the Silver Marshes so interesting to me. Politics of keeping small states together in a larger union another. And if we go back, revolution, civil war, native culture clashing with the expansion of civilisation, native mythology and so on.
And if we stretch ourselves geographically and include the middles, we've got pirates, and before that golden temples, human sacrifice and sun worship.
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Mirtek
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Dec 2020 : 19:44:10
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Ye olde 1E Deities & Demigods had "rules" which defined the abilities of deities. Lesser deities could create Avatars of themselves. Greater deities could create Aspects of themselves - essentially a "cloned" or "spawned" or "forked" version of themselves, one invested with a portion of the deity's power and portfolios. Realmslore described Azuth as an Aspect of Mystra - he was an ascended mortal given part of Mystra's power and her dominion over wizards.
I would consider deities like Realms-Tyr and Realms-Tyche to be "aspects" of Norse-Tyr and Olympian-Tyche - initially "copies" of the originals, very similar though not quite identical - evolved over time (and Faith) into slightly different deities with very different histories and slightly different powers.
They may or may not be aware of their "meta" antecedents, descendants, and counterparts. I think it really boils down to their mythology in the Realms ... Realms-Tyr has a faith which describes his arrival in the Realms but makes no mention of where (or what) he came from before, it seems likely they just assume he is the one and only Tyr in the cosmos, that he left some other world to arrive on Toril ... while Realms-Tyche was barely described at all, her origins on Olympus are not mentioned at all, it seems the faithful of the Realms believe she has always (and only) been one of the goddesses manifested by Ao. I'm guessing the identities and understandings of these deities are themselves shaped by the faiths which worship and sustain them. Remember that deities can manifest new powers and portfolios and personalities when enough faith is provided - so it seems like they might also lose powers and portfolios and identity when faith in these old things has vanished.
Well, in 2e they considered to be exactly the same entities, just watching multiple worlds in a "multi-skype-call"
Tyche's split into Beshaba and Tymora (which may have been nothing but a scheme to escape Zeus' brutal ironfisted rule over the olympian pantheon) left the fellow olympian confused about where Tyche vanished to, why her realm was decaying and even her proxies found themselves suddenly powerless and none the wiser about what happened to their deity.
Would likely have caused a planar pantheon war if Zeus' had ever found out who "stole" one of his subjects |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2020 : 00:49:29
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Dec 2020 : 02:15:09
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Tyche's split was detailed in novel lore ... and was unrelated to Zeus in any way.
True. But in the Planescape book On Hallowed Ground, it says the Greek pantheon doesn't know where Tyche is and that Hermes and Pan are actively looking for her.
Though I don't think Zeus would care all that much; the book says she was basically being shoved aside, anyway. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 17 Dec 2020 : 13:01:35
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Originally posted by Returnip
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
The world is full of many fantastic mythologies. I agree that us "Yanks" don't draw enough on what is here though (I myself am interested in Japanese mythology).
Oh thread topic: As Sleyvas quoted, I think the multispheric deities are aware of their various "personas", at least to some extent.
I should add that some do allow themselves to become inspired by northern american culture to great effect. The understanding of frontier life is one of the things that makes the Silver Marshes so interesting to me. Politics of keeping small states together in a larger union another. And if we go back, revolution, civil war, native culture clashing with the expansion of civilisation, native mythology and so on.
And if we stretch ourselves geographically and include the middles, we've got pirates, and before that golden temples, human sacrifice and sun worship.
Like, there's a whole setting right there.
If you are into that kind of thing, you should check out the stuff Seethyr (and me to a smaller degree) have been doing with Anchorome that's up on DM's Guild. He's been more into exploring the "existing" cultures of Anchorome/Maztica/Lopango with an eye towards native american cultures, shamanism, spirit worship, etc... but he's also doing some development with Fort Flame. I've been somewhat exploring the idea of western cultures starting to make a dent in the area. Unlike the original Maztica stuff however, I don't see them making a sweeping impact on the continent and just seizing large amounts of territory. I see it kind of more of them taking a small area, getting it under control despite outside forces, and then expanding while incorporating local cultures into their own so that they're no longer like the culture that arrived. At present, my thoughts are simply Fort Flame and possibly some islands off the coast where the Faerunians can build in relative peace while exploring inland and having a place to retreat back to (until the sea races that noone ever thinks about become a problem for them). |
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