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Seethyr
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 Posted - 10 Nov 2020 : 01:16:31
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Is there any word whatsoever on what exists on Toril’s version of Antarctica? You’d think Auril would enjoy having an entire landmass that fits her modus operandi spot on.
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cpthero2
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Posted - 10 Nov 2020 : 01:37:06
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Senior Scribe Seethyr,
Are you referring to Osse? I just want to make sure I am on the same page as you.
Best regards,
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Ayrik
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Posted - 10 Nov 2020 : 01:49:47
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I think the answer is no. There is apparently no Realms-Antarctica. It looks like nothing there on any maps I could find. (Except for the one and only exception - a modified version of a map originally from the defunct Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas - which suggests a large ice shelf and perhaps the tip of a polar island/continent mass. I don't give it much credence because it's anomalous compared to every other map and because it also depicts a similar north polar ice shelf, one conspicuously absent in all sorts of "Arctic" Realmslore which should have certainly mentioned such an important thing.)
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2019/11/05/a-map-of-the-forgotten-realms/
http://worksheets.us/collection/map-of-abeir-toril.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJplYVdFjA
Although maps of the Realms have changed dramatically from edition to edition. Whole continents have appeared and vanished before.
It's noteworthy that Antarctica on Earth was not discovered or recognized as a continent under the ice until recent times. And it still remains largely unexplored, largely unknown, even with all our research stations and satellite mapping and NASA-grade survival technologies.
I think there should be a permanent south polar ice cap on the Realms globe, not only as a reflection of our familiar Earth but also because it's necessary to make the planet work in a scientifically valid way. Although of course this sort of ice cap is not explicitly shown on most Realms maps and our kind of science never applied to that world anyhow. |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Nov 2020 : 01:56:36
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Senior Scribe Seethyr,
Are you referring to Osse? I just want to make sure I am on the same page as you.
Best regards,
No not Osse. As Ayrik pointed out I mean the one from the Atlas which looks a lot like an Antarctica. If they do happen to update Spelljammer, this is something that should be at least known about.
I’d love(again like Ayrik mentioned) an unknown continent of ice. I mean we have the frozen north but this would add even more mystery.
Can anyone speculate what might be there? Beings from Toril’s ice age? Neanderthals wouldn’t really fit but perhaps... |
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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 10 Nov 2020 : 04:09:45
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Ayrik
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Posted - 10 Nov 2020 : 04:21:14
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NDA'ed as far as I know
When it comes to broad things like this - confirming the presence or absence of an entire continent within a setting which has already been in publication spanning multiple editions across a third of a century and hundreds of books - I'm seriously inclined to think of that quick response as dismissive handwavium. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 10 Nov 2020 : 13:03:26
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Hell, we've yet to see the two northernmost continents researched (I believe one of these two to be named Aurune as I think that's the only confirmed continent name Ed said at one point, but he didn't say where aurune was to my knowledge in reference to either the FRIA or scholar's guide). In fact, on the "2" northern continents from the scholar's guide they appear separate. But in the non-globe version in the FRIA, they appear to be separate but incomplete, and if you switch to the globe view, it shows those two northern continents somewhat unclearly and it looks like they're one continent. So, maybe it is just one continent, and its named Aurune. Similarly for the southern, the "maps" show a single smallish continent a little lower than Katashaka in both scholar's guide and the FRIA, but the globe view of FRIA kind of hints that it might be bigger.... or it might just be an iceberg and not land. The color difference is so vague as to be indefinite, so I'd choose to say that the southern portion isn't a continent, but rather just frozen water. That way it doesn't contradict the maps that we do have (i.e. both scholar's guide and FRIA "maps" not showing there being land there).
Myself though, when it comes to these "unclear" places, I'm only vaguely going to let the scholar's guide and FRIA guide what they're like. Literally, the globe view of say Katashaka shows some vague mountain forms. The map view has nothing. At the same time the coast of Anchorome shows very few islands in FRIA, and of very vague shapes and I plan to just place small islands (and maybe some not so small) willy nilly whereever I want them. Maybe they were in Abeir. Maybe they came over only after the second sundering. Since they've never developed it, it should be free reign.
Also, since I also don't like to throw anything that other people might like away, I figure that Maztica is back, but Laerakond didn't leave. Either it was displaced slightly OR the idea that it was where Maztica was was a huge misunderstanding, and Laerakond is southwest of Maztica / west of northern Katashaka. But it didn't return to Abeir.
For those that might complain about the concept that Toril is just taking on additional land, it wouldn't bother me at all if a large portion of "Osse" just left to Abeir as part of the second sundering (i.e. a kind of trade of large amounts of land). There might even be some swapping in Osse and large amounts of loss at the same time such that maybe there's something there, but not even remotely the same size/shape. If this were done, we'd be much closer to having the whole world having at least some kind of definition. Now, I don't PREFER this to happen (because it means more large scale map changes), but honestly I don't even remotely have any ideas for realistically fleshing out Osse other than some ideas for some islands off the northeast coast as human islander cultures. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 11 Nov 2020 : 20:52:08
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Originally posted by sleyvas
For those that might complain about the concept that Toril is just taking on additional land, it wouldn't bother me at all if a large portion of "Osse" just left to Abeir as part of the second sundering (i.e. a kind of trade of large amounts of land). There might even be some swapping in Osse and large amounts of loss at the same time such that maybe there's something there, but not even remotely the same size/shape. If this were done, we'd be much closer to having the whole world having at least some kind of definition. Now, I don't PREFER this to happen (because it means more large scale map changes), but honestly I don't even remotely have any ideas for realistically fleshing out Osse other than some ideas for some islands off the northeast coast as human islander cultures.
-It's probably all gone but you might be able to find scraps of it searching the wayback machine but Markus, BatCatMan (I think?), myself, and a few others wrote a lot about potential Oslander culture in pretty large thread similar to our Kara-Tur and Utter East projects on the WotC formus. I unfortunately don't think I have any of it left other than a poorly hand-drawn map that looks kind of like an amoeba and a few vague memories of concepts. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 12 Nov 2020 : 00:42:24
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by sleyvas
For those that might complain about the concept that Toril is just taking on additional land, it wouldn't bother me at all if a large portion of "Osse" just left to Abeir as part of the second sundering (i.e. a kind of trade of large amounts of land). There might even be some swapping in Osse and large amounts of loss at the same time such that maybe there's something there, but not even remotely the same size/shape. If this were done, we'd be much closer to having the whole world having at least some kind of definition. Now, I don't PREFER this to happen (because it means more large scale map changes), but honestly I don't even remotely have any ideas for realistically fleshing out Osse other than some ideas for some islands off the northeast coast as human islander cultures.
-It's probably all gone but you might be able to find scraps of it searching the wayback machine but Markus, BatCatMan (I think?), myself, and a few others wrote a lot about potential Oslander culture in pretty large thread similar to our Kara-Tur and Utter East projects on the WotC formus. I unfortunately don't think I have any of it left other than a poorly hand-drawn map that looks kind of like an amoeba and a few vague memories of concepts.
If you could find it, I'd be interested in reading it. The ideas that were popping in my head were things like a place where giants pretty much still rule (but picturing more like the "giants" in the avatar ... blue people... movie) and humans live in the fringes, etc.. maybe dinosaurs and draconic type beings (not true dragons, but like wyverns, drakes, giant crocodiles, etc...) getting hunted like we would hunt a deer, etc... |
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BadCatMan
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 12 Nov 2020 : 01:36:58
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-It's probably all gone but you might be able to find scraps of it searching the wayback machine but Markus, BatCatMan (I think?), myself, and a few others wrote a lot about potential Oslander culture in pretty large thread similar to our Kara-Tur and Utter East projects on the WotC formus. I unfortunately don't think I have any of it left other than a poorly hand-drawn map that looks kind of like an amoeba and a few vague memories of concepts.
I don't recall talking much about Osse on the old WotC forums. I'm pretty sure most of my discussion was here on Candlekeep in the perennial threads on it. I like to fill Osse with fantasy versions of Australiana, of course, such as Aboriginal culture, wars against elemental fire and flood, and giant animal statue shrines that come to life. :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia%27s_big_things
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Nov 2020 : 02:07:06
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There was a video game in the 90s called Primal Rage where mankind had been relegated to barbaric and savage people who worshipped titanic beasts (kaiju of a sort). Dragon magazine even statted out a couple of the monsters which included a giant icy King Kong wannabe, some dinosaurs and a serpent-dinosaur creature known as Vertigo.
If I were ever to head to this southern continent that’s exactly what I’d put there. |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 12 Nov 2020 : 20:01:07
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| Ok, so it sounds like you want to do with Osse a lot of what I want to do with the idea of nyama-nummo for Katashaka. Which, given that I actually do have a linkage I was writing up between those two continents in fact it could work well. I actually made a bit of a story that basically the humans of Katashaka got sent to Abeir, and they ended up on Osse. Later Osse got transferred to Toril, kind of like what happened with the spellplague. So, basically, Osse is stolen land. |
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Lord Karsus
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Seethyr
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Posted - 13 Nov 2020 : 03:35:10
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Originally posted by AuldDragon
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Originally posted by Seethyr
Can anyone speculate what might be there? Beings from Toril’s ice age? Neanderthals wouldn’t really fit but perhaps...
A Dohwar trading port, of course. ;D
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That would be awesome. They’d certainly handle the cold well. |
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cpthero2
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Posted - 13 Nov 2020 : 05:24:01
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Great Reader sleyvas,
quote:
If you could find it, I'd be interested in reading it. The ideas that were popping in my head were things like a place where giants pretty much still rule (but picturing more like the "giants" in the avatar ... blue people... movie) and humans live in the fringes, etc.. maybe dinosaurs and draconic type beings (not true dragons, but like wyverns, drakes, giant crocodiles, etc...) getting hunted like we would hunt a deer, etc...
I'd love to read that stuff too. I am extremely happy that at least so far, WotC hasn't taken those continents and tried to do anything with them to enter it into lore/canon. They need to stay away from things more often than not it seems like these days.
Best regards,
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 15 Nov 2020 : 01:11:20
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This is the "Table of Contents" I have. Some stuff got detailed, some didn't, so whatever you wanna know let me know so I can look.
Races of Osse
Major Races
Bullywug
Dream Dwarves
Goliath
Human, Oslander
Kodingobold
Tindrraynggwa
Minor Races
Gargun
Classes of Osse
Classes
Barbarian
Bard
Binder
Favored Soul
Ranger
Rogue
Scout
Shadowcaster
Spirit Shaman
Sorcerer
Witchdoctor
Prohibited Classes
…Cleric
…Monk
…Paladin
…Wizard
…A Note About Prohibited Classes
Character Options
New Skills
…Lucid Dreaming
Feats
Prestige Classes
Dream Walker
Kurdaitcha
Tattooed Soldier
Mystic Shaman
Timeline of Osse
Geography of Osse
Notable Flora and Fauna
…Baji Foam Algae
…Wapa-Yandi Flower
…Gariguu Plant
…Jamba Plant
Central Osse
Geographical Overview
Sites
…Lake Biruu’burundi (Big Hole Lake)
…Mlimli Mudlands
…Baranna’nugan
…Mantha Plains
Southeast Osse
Geographical Overview
Sites
…The Majadeem (The Guardians)
…Zurbawunda (Desert Ziggurat)
…Opaleis Desert
…Lake Ngambati
…Wenwolok Canyons
…Ruins of Kella-Thus
Western Osse
Geographical Overview
Sites
…Tolyiwandi Mountains
…Guda N'gepya Volcano
…Baranna’wendanim
…Waatikantri Swamp
…Bulaarri Lakes
…Wugulu Plains
The Forest of Dreams
Geographical Overview
Sites
Beneath Osse
…The Underdark
The Seas of Osse
…Rainbow Cove
Faiths and Religions of Osse
Bullywug
…Ophisternon
Dream Dwarves
…The Dreamheart
Goliath
…Animism
…Kivaki
Humans
…Animism
…Mother Osse (related to animism)
…The Voidcallers
Kodingobold
…Animism
Tindrraynggwa
Magic of Osse
Dream Weaver Magic
Elementalism
Incarnum
Psionics
Pact Magic
…Alcherin the Dreamer
…Byunjeeli the Traveler
…Daagan the Protector
…Kunjapipi the Life-Giver
…Tunbarum the Entertainer
Specific Spells/Powers
...Illusory Dreamscape
...Illusory Dreamscape (Greater)
...Lucid Dream
Life in Osse
Bullywug
…History
…Physical Description
…Outlook
…Society
…Language and Literacy
…Names
…Magic and Lore
…Spells and Spellcasting
…Magic Items
…Deities
…Relations with Other Races
…Equipment
…Arms and Armor
…Animals and Pets
…Abilities and Racial Features
Dream Dwarves
…History
…Physical Description
…Outlook
…Society
…Language and Literacy
…Names
…Magic and Lore
…Spells and Spellcasting
…Magic Items
…Deities
…Relations with Other Races
…Equipment
…Arms and Armor
…Animals and Pets
…Abilities and Racial Features
Goliath
…History
…Physical Description
…Outlook
…Society
…Language and Literacy
…Names
…Magic and Lore
…Spells and Spellcasting
…Magic Items
…Deities
…Relations with Other Races
…Equipment
…Arms and Armor
…Animals and Pets
…Abilities and Racial Features
Humans
…History
…Physical Description
…Outlook
…Society
…Language and Literacy
…Names
…Magic and Lore
…Spells and Spellcasting
…Magic Items
…Deities
…Relations with Other Races
…Equipment
…Arms and Armor
…Animals and Pets
…Abilities and Racial Features
Kodingobold
…History
…Physical Description
…Outlook
…Society
…Language and Literacy
…Names
…Magic and Lore
…Spells and Spellcasting
…Magic Items
…Deities
…Relations with Other Races
…Equipment
…Arms and Armor
…Animals and Pets
…Abilities and Racial Features
Tindrraynggwa
…History
…Physical Description
…Outlook
…Society
…Language and Literacy
…Names
…Magic and Lore
…Spells and Spellcasting
…Magic Items
…Deities
…Relations with Other Races
…Equipment
…Arms and Armor
…Animals and Pets
…Abilities and Racial Features
Organizations in Osse
The Guardians
Za-Renn
Monsters of Osse
Bunyip
Burrunjor (Dinosaur- wiki)
Con Rit (fish, wiki)
Dire Animal, Dingo
Dire Animal, Emu
Dire Animal, Monitor Lizard
Globster (fish, wiki)
Gunni (wombat like marsupial, wiki)
Marsupial Lion (wiki)
Whirlwind Devil (Tazmanian Devil)
Spirit (Animal)
Spirit (Place)
Yowie (Bigfoot like, wiki)
Items of Osse
Dizheri
Dreamstone
Oneirium
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 15 Nov 2020 : 02:01:40
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| I'd be interested in seeing the magic section and the flora/fauna stuff if you have those written at all. Also, is that a weird name for kobold (kodingobold)? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Nov 2020 : 02:59:51
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Um... Not to rain on anyone's parade, but Ed was recently asked about wombats, and said this:
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Wombats came through gates from our Earth, long ago. There is no Realms analogue for Australia (be misled not by talk of “Osse,” for it is quite different).
#Realmslore
Obviously, you can do what you want, there, and I'll not say that you're wrong, in absence of published lore -- but given Ed's quote, I myself would go in a different direction. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 15 Nov 2020 : 16:57:32
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Here's what I have for flora. I've got nothing for fauna lol:
Baji Foam Algae
Baji foam algae is a type of algae that grows in the Waatikantri Swamp and in certain parts of the Mlimli Mudlands. Like normal algae, this type is greenish-yellow in color, and grows on standing water. Unlike normal algae, baji foam algae contains within it trace amounts of onierium, and when enough is extracted, can be synthesized into a usable form.
Wapa-Yandi Plant
The wapa-yandi plant mainly grows on the coastlines of Osse, across the island continent. The plant itself is a small shrub, reaching a maximum height of two feet or so, and a maximum width of about the same size. The flowers of the wapa-yandi plant grow from the tips of each branch. The flowers are a pastel yellow color, and are very small, about the size of a thumbnail. The small amount of pollen that these flowers produce contain trace amounts of onierium, and when enough is extracted, can be synthesized into a usable form.
Gariguu Plant
The gariguu plant is a plant that grows in large clusters across Osse, primarily near bodies of water, where they can get a large amount of water. The plant grows very tall, reaching heights of six or seven feet, while, at the same time, it is very thin, with a width of only a foot or so. The plant reminds me very much of sugarcane, in it’s appearance. The outer layers of the plant’s stalk are shaved off, because they contain trace amounts of onierium, and when enough is extracted, can be synthesize into a usable form.
Jamba Plant
The jamba plant is a fruit-bearing tree that grows all over Osse, primarily on the plains. The tree grows about five or six feet in height, one or two feet in thickness, and resembles somewhat a small, thick willow tree, because it tapers into various, umbrella-like branches that hang down. The fruits that the tree puts out resemble small gourds, because they are orange in color, and are fairly similar to gourds in terms of shape and thickness. Inside, the flesh of the fruit is red, and is quite juicy and sweet.
Dreamstone
Dreamstone is some kind of magical stone that is found primarily in the Tolyiwandi Mountains. While I was not able to see the rock myself, I am told that it grows in large clusters, and is very similar looking to purple crystal. Dreamstones have some kind of connection to the Plane of Dreams, and are the reason that the Dream Dwarves came to Osse centuries ago. The stone is used simply, apparently, by touching it, and is not imbibed or consumed in any way by the user.
Oneirium
Oneirium is a substance that, like Dreamstones, help those who possess it enter into the Plane of Dreams. Oneirium, unlike Dreamstones, is a substance that must be imbibed or consumed for its effects to be felt. It is a sticky, gooey substance extracted from a few plants that grow naturally across Osse. When consumed, the effects of Oneirium manifest, and the user slowly drifts into the world of dreams. Most commonly, a dab of the substance is added into pipe weed, and smoked. The amount used directly influences how strong its effects are. More…“enterprising” individuals chew on the sticky substance directly in their mouths, eliciting a very strong effect.
-Kodingobold are a tauric kobold/dingo creature (similar to wemic) that were introduced by Elaine Cunningham in her early Elven writings. Might be natural creatures, might be creatures that were created by Ka'Narlist (or some other powerful magician from way back when). "They were nasty, odorous, rat-tailed creatures-ugly things with four-footed, doglike bodies that were topped with scrawny humanoid torsos and sly, bug-eyed faces. Gray of skin and of soul, they seemed to possess neither conscience nor ambition. Kodingobolds lived solely on whatever they could steal. They were cowards who fought only if they greatly outmassed and outnumbered their prey. And they had a particularly fondness for the flesh of young wemics. In years past, many an adventurous and wandering wemic cub had fallen prey to the disorderly packs of kodingobolds that ranged the savannah." |
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Seethyr
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Posted - 15 Nov 2020 : 17:07:24
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Originally posted by sleyvas
I'd be interested in seeing the magic section and the flora/fauna stuff if you have those written at all. Also, is that a weird name for kobold (kodingobold)?
Ka’Narlist used to experiment on these altering their bodies and I believed at some point claimed to have created the kobold from them - something which has since been contradicted dozens of times with all of their dragon connections. IMHO kodingobolds (which we’re also extinct not long after) would make an excellent explanation for the early edition kobolds which were dog faced. |
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Seethyr
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Posted - 15 Nov 2020 : 17:10:54
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| As far as Wombats are concerned two talking wombats (awakened maybe?) named Bert and Lugg featured heavily in the Ring of Winter and claimed to hail from an island of talking wombats. |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 16 Nov 2020 : 02:06:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Um... Not to rain on anyone's parade, but Ed was recently asked about wombats, and said this:
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Wombats came through gates from our Earth, long ago. There is no Realms analogue for Australia (be misled not by talk of “Osse,” for it is quite different).
#Realmslore
Obviously, you can do what you want, there, and I'll not say that you're wrong, in absence of published lore -- but given Ed's quote, I myself would go in a different direction.
Just curious, when was that? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Nov 2020 : 03:49:00
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Originally posted by sleyvas
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Um... Not to rain on anyone's parade, but Ed was recently asked about wombats, and said this:
quote:
Wombats came through gates from our Earth, long ago. There is no Realms analogue for Australia (be misled not by talk of “Osse,” for it is quite different).
#Realmslore
Obviously, you can do what you want, there, and I'll not say that you're wrong, in absence of published lore -- but given Ed's quote, I myself would go in a different direction.
Just curious, when was that?
It was a recent post. I don't believe I got a date on it, though.
And again, I don't want to say that people can't go that route, if they want. I wouldn't, but we all have our own personal version of the Realms that deviates from canon. Mine ignores most everything after like 1372. |
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Posted - 16 Nov 2020 : 04:00:11
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Um... Not to rain on anyone's parade, but Ed was recently asked about wombats, and said this:
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Wombats came through gates from our Earth, long ago. There is no Realms analogue for Australia (be misled not by talk of “Osse,” for it is quite different).
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Obviously, you can do what you want, there, and I'll not say that you're wrong, in absence of published lore -- but given Ed's quote, I myself would go in a different direction.
Just curious, when was that?
It was a recent post. I don't believe I got a date on it, though.
And again, I don't want to say that people can't go that route, if they want. I wouldn't, but we all have our own personal version of the Realms that deviates from canon. Mine ignores most everything after like 1372.
Ah, I was more curious if the date corresponded to any interest from around here. Honestly, I don't want to see australia on Toril, but I wouldn't mind some of its ideas discussed and possibly imported. That's why my interested in the magic topics mentioned by others. Australia has some studies of dream magic, and since Abeir does as well, it might help fit some pieces. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Nov 2020 : 05:25:35
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Dream magic, as a D&D concept, has been around for a while -- I recall reading, in Dragon magazine, at least one specialist mage class/kit focused on dream magic back when 2E was going strong.
Just so long as it's not too much a ripoff of the Dreaming, I don't see a problem with it in the Realms.
(And it's my understanding that the Dreaming/Dreamtime isn't best described in such terms, anyway, and that it's more of a poor translation, at best) |
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Delnyn
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Posted - 16 Nov 2020 : 11:09:10
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sleyvas
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Posted - 16 Nov 2020 : 15:06:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dream magic, as a D&D concept, has been around for a while -- I recall reading, in Dragon magazine, at least one specialist mage class/kit focused on dream magic back when 2E was going strong.
Just so long as it's not too much a ripoff of the Dreaming, I don't see a problem with it in the Realms.
(And it's my understanding that the Dreaming/Dreamtime isn't best described in such terms, anyway, and that it's more of a poor translation, at best)
Yeah, we get "hints" of "dream magic" all over the place (I think the article you're talking about might have been something like the Oineromage or something... I barely remember it, but I do remember an article). But, we don't have any good resources that I know of. Part of me would like to link dream magic and psionics (as in psionics is a power someone uses almost like they're in a "waking dream"... they take their mind to a different state to effect reality....). At the same time, many telepathic disciplines also represent themselves as making one "hyper alert", so maybe its only certain styles of psionics. Illusion also fits well with dream magic, and to another degree enchantment. But I don't think anything we've seen really gets down to a nitty gritty of what it is and how exactly its different, and how it might be a fully fledged school like evocation, etc... |
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cpthero2
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Posted - 17 Nov 2020 : 19:29:01
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Senior Scribe Delnyn,
That is a really great question. I went and checked the Epic Level Handbook to reread about the Dream Larva again, and it just says that it comes from the dreams. I would imagine that would mean it is coming from the Plane of Dreams. However, I think oneirium (correct spelling) just like dreamstones would just make it to where you would be able to be detected by dream larva, just as much as anything. I don't think it would specifically attract attention though, at least from my readings.
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 18 Nov 2020 : 01:25:56
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Does imbibing onierium (sp) attract hostile attention from dream larvae?
-If they're monsters from the Plane of Dreams, I'd say that nothing inherently about consuming it would attract them any more or less than anyone else having their consciousness extend to said plane. I envisioned it, and dreamstone, as basically automatically allowing someone to lucid dream. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 18 Nov 2020 : 03:41:38
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Can't say I like the notion of "oneirium", a tangible material "dreamstuff".
Because it invites material substances to condense all sorts of other intangibles ... "elysium", "monadium", "infinitium", "pandemonium", "solarium", "chronium", "psychometrium", etc ... things which are better left intangible. Things a character should not be able to stuff into a container and carry around. |
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