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MayNovember
Acolyte
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 Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 02:09:20
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Greetings wise sages. I'm looking for any instance of an Elf Fighter/Mage/Thief in 1st or 2nd Edition FR. (Any NPC that is of this three way multiclass) Much thanks!
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 03:19:07
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I found these on the list of 1E/2E NPCs that Kuje made. I just copied these out of his spreadsheet and made the list a bit more presentable.
(I'm prolly going to be looking up a lot of these, myself, later!)
Ithlyn of the Five Fingers
F4/T6/M5
Male Half-drow, NG
Source: Skullport
Keris
F5/M5/T7
Male Half-elf, NE
Source: Ruins of Zhentil Keep
Maenoth Silversword
F6/M6/T7
Male Half-elf, NG
Source: Cult of the Dragon
Ilandra Wavemistress
F8/M7/T12
Female Half-Sea Elf, CN
Source: The Moonsea
Heldorn "Goldsun" Thaerntyl
F9/M8/T3
Male Human, NG
Source: Volo's Guide to the North
Rennyn Aelorothi
F9/M9/T9
Male Gold Elf, CG
Source: Elves of Evermeet
Lord Byronae Trilluach
F9/M19/T11
Male Half-elf, LN
Source: Skullport
Arlen of the Swiftstrike
F9/M10/C9/T11
Male Elf, CN
Source: Ruins of Undermountain II |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 03:30:52
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 04:39:26
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I recall some F/M/T kits in 2E PHBR8: Complete Book of Elves and some F/I/T kits in 2E PHBR9: Complete Book of Gnomes & Halflings. And I recall seeing a few triple-classed characters designed with these kits in FR novels.
I don't recall which characters or which novels, let alone any game stats, just that they were obvious and interesting inclusions of these kits into Realmslore.
I also recall reading an article in an ancient Dungeon or Dragon publication which offered a lot of triple-class rules and variations. Along with some new overpowered hybrid race/group of "Ultimists" who were always triple-classed. |
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MayNovember
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 05:04:50
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| My thanks Sages! All very helpful. Wooly Rupert, where might I find this list of 1E/2E NPCs? |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 06:10:34
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Great Reader Ayrik,
Indeed you are correct! There were two: the Infiltrator and the Collector.
Best regards,
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Higher Atlar
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 06:17:32
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Master Rupert,
Fantastic find! Damn, you really dug those up fast!
Assuming it is here at the Keep, do you have a link to it?
Best regards,
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Higher Atlar
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 11:10:36
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| I don't recall if Kuje linked those anywhere or just sent them to people who asked. I'll have to look around and see if he linked the files somewhere. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 12:43:04
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Arlen of the Swiftstrike
F9/M10/C9/T11
Male Elf, CN
Source: Ruins of Undermountain II
A quad-multiclass? And on a pure-strain elf? Is this an error?
Definitely disallowed in 1E and 2E (and "2.5E") rulesets.
The 2E PHBR5: Complete Psionics Handbook offered psionicist multiclasses, and I think it might have provided a few sample triple characters. I think Darksun also had a surprising number of triples, though they're obviously not part of (not really even compatible with) Realmslore. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4689 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 13:40:49
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Arlen of the Swiftstrike
F9/M10/C9/T11
Male Elf, CN
Source: Ruins of Undermountain II
A quad-multiclass? And on a pure-strain elf? Is this an error?
Definitely disallowed in 1E and 2E (and "2.5E") rulesets.
The 2E PHBR5: Complete Psionics Handbook offered psionicist multiclasses, and I think it might have provided a few sample triple characters. I think Darksun also had a surprising number of triples, though they're obviously not part of (not really even compatible with) Realmslore.
It appears correct or at least https://xaeyruudh.wordpress.com/tag/undermountain/ others say the elf is all of that, the source appears to be either The Ruins of Undermountain [1060]and/or
The Ruins of Undermountain II [1104]
Or even here Ruins of Undermountain II: Campaign Guide [1104a] page 114 |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 15:40:34
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Arlen of the Swiftstrike
F9/M10/C9/T11
Male Elf, CN
Source: Ruins of Undermountain II
A quad-multiclass? And on a pure-strain elf? Is this an error?
Definitely disallowed in 1E and 2E (and "2.5E") rulesets.
The 2E PHBR5: Complete Psionics Handbook offered psionicist multiclasses, and I think it might have provided a few sample triple characters. I think Darksun also had a surprising number of triples, though they're obviously not part of (not really even compatible with) Realmslore.
Yeah, thought it was odd, myself, but there have been some odd, one-off cases in the Realms.
I just looked at my revised 2E book -- there's one triple-class option open for elves, and another for half-elves, and that's it - and none of the elven multiclass options included clerics.
Though the one that got me from the list was Heldorn "Goldsun" Thaerntyl -- as a human, he'd've had to dual-class to be F9/M8/T3. And dual-classing twice like that means he had at least three scores higher than 17. At least, per rules as written. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4689 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 16:54:50
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| I roll eighteens all the time *wink* |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
1289 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 17:00:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Arlen of the Swiftstrike
F9/M10/C9/T11
Male Elf, CN
Source: Ruins of Undermountain II
A quad-multiclass? And on a pure-strain elf? Is this an error?
Definitely disallowed in 1E and 2E (and "2.5E") rulesets.
The 2E PHBR5: Complete Psionics Handbook offered psionicist multiclasses, and I think it might have provided a few sample triple characters. I think Darksun also had a surprising number of triples, though they're obviously not part of (not really even compatible with) Realmslore.
Yeah, thought it was odd, myself, but there have been some odd, one-off cases in the Realms.
I just looked at my revised 2E book -- there's one triple-class option open for elves, and another for half-elves, and that's it - and none of the elven multiclass options included clerics.
Though the one that got me from the list was Heldorn "Goldsun" Thaerntyl -- as a human, he'd've had to dual-class to be F9/M8/T3. And dual-classing twice like that means he had at least three scores higher than 17. At least, per rules as written.
Maybe that is an unlisted modification to the base D&D rules. In The Drow of the Underdark, Ed states that Drow priests and wizards have no level limits (page 9). |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 17:35:44
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A triple-classed human might've started off as an elf or half-elf. Some strange polymorph, shapechange, potion, curse, or whatever. Some crazy magic things happen after enough years of adventuring.
This human might have dual-classed (er, triple-classed) instead of triple-multiclassed, as allowed in those edition rules. Like Lord Chess and some others. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 17:54:15
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Great Reader Ayrik,
All I know is that I am extremely happy we're past those days of limits on such things as classes, etc., as they were in 1st and 2nd edition.
Best regards,
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 18:33:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
I roll eighteens all the time *wink*
I managed to beat a set of loaded dice at GenCon, once... They were set up with a little demo tray to roll them in. I rolled them close to the side of the tray, and they hit the wall before they had a chance to tumble to the weighted sides.
I was amused. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 19:38:03
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| I think there is at least one of them in Elves of Evermeet, but I may be wrong. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 15 Sep 2020 19:38:33 |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4689 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 20:00:54
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Barastir,
Great call. Indeed there is:
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Rennyn Aelorothi stormy as the seas that she sails. Many suspect that Lady Ryllae counts a sea elf: Elf (F9/W9/T9, Infiltrator)
Best regards,
Not sure what you are quoting as Rennyn Aelorothi is a Handsome Male Gold Elf. Elves of Evermeet page 100 1994 (First printing? ) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 20:52:28
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Originally posted by Kentinal
quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Barastir,
Great call. Indeed there is:
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Rennyn Aelorothi stormy as the seas that she sails. Many suspect that Lady Ryllae counts a sea elf: Elf (F9/W9/T9, Infiltrator)
Best regards,
Not sure what you are quoting as Rennyn Aelorothi is a Handsome Male Gold Elf. Elves of Evermeet page 100 1994 (First printing? )
Either way, I did list Rennyn Aelorothi -- the sixth one on my list. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4689 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 21:19:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
Not sure what you are quoting as Rennyn Aelorothi is a Handsome Male Gold Elf. Elves of Evermeet page 100 1994 (First printing? )
Either way, I did list Rennyn Aelorothi -- the sixth one on my list.
Yes I did notice that, as I also too late noticed that Arlen of the Swiftstrike source was also in the list. All I managed to add was a page number. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 21:56:52
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Master Rupert,
haha...it looks like I stole some thunder there. I completely overlooked that. My bad!
Thanks for calling it out though!
Best regards,
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Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2020 : 13:18:59
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"Rennyn Aelorothi stormy as the seas that she sails. Many suspect that Lady Ryllae counts a sea elf: Elf (F9/W9/T9, Infiltrator)"
In fact, Lady Ryllae is one character (female sea elf) and Rennyn is another one (male gold elf, he is the infiltrator). Strange quote...
EDIT: And sorry for missing your mention, Wooly! |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 24 Sep 2020 13:49:11 |
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Are there any Elf F/M/T's in 2e products?
