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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 20 Jul 2020 : 21:58:38
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Poll Question:
I'm wicked curious as to what everybody thinks.
If ALL the Trickster deities gathered together we would have a list that would far exceed my ability to post them in order. I'll do my best in no certain order. lol.
Who do YOU consider the Head of the divine Tricksters Guild?
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 20 Jul 2020 : 22:19:14
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| Trick question, because there is no divine tricksters guild |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
1078 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2020 : 22:26:15
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Trick question, because there is no divine tricksters guild
Oh my... there isn't?? LOL! But if there was....??? |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1536 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2020 : 02:23:19
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| Garl. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
1078 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2020 : 03:41:30
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Why would gods need a guild?
You misunderstand my friend. It's a fellowship that has been around since 2ED. Demi-Human deities delves into this matter more. The Trickster gods once gathered together every season or so. They were at least united by mischief.
Gods don't need guilds silly.... But I bet you 1,000 platinum pieces that deities need the company of other like-minded deities.
An unaffiliated, unassociated sect of divine perseverance and commrodrie. Again... most thieves and rogues seek to better the other by sheer divine wishing and thoughts.
But in a game of the Multiverse where all trickster gods are fair game?
What is this new devilry?
Must only happen once or twice a year. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Jul 2020 : 05:26:09
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I'm relatively certain that most pantheons don't really care one way or another until their resident trickster decides to annoy someone.
Hermes is respected among the Olympians. Hades is one of the Big Three.
The Celts are lead by a trickster deity.
Loki and Odin are both trickster gods. Loki just gets into trouble more.
Sung Chiang is absolute master of the Lower Planar black market.
Mask is relatively inoffensive as far as trickster gods go.
Vhaeraun is more concerned about overthrowing Lolth.
Garl has responsibilities as pantheon head.
Beshaba isn't a trickster deity. She's nutso.
The big-name trickster deities generally seem to have more responsibilities or are simply more prestigious than the likes of Erevan or Brandobaris. Hades, for instance, is not a trickster in the traditional sense, but he wreaked havoc with his infamous helmet during the war against the titans. Hermes is entrusted with being the messenger of the Greek pantheon. Sung Chiang rules the lower planar black market. The Daghda rules the Celts. And so on. |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Jul 2020 : 07:00:15
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Originally posted by LordofBones
I'm relatively certain that most pantheons don't really care one way or another until their resident trickster decides to annoy someone.
Hermes is respected among the Olympians. Hades is one of the Big Three.
The Celts are lead by a trickster deity.
Loki and Odin are both trickster gods. Loki just gets into trouble more.
Sung Chiang is absolute master of the Lower Planar black market.
Mask is relatively inoffensive as far as trickster gods go.
Vhaeraun is more concerned about overthrowing Lolth.
Garl has responsibilities as pantheon head.
Beshaba isn't a trickster deity. She's nutso.
The big-name trickster deities generally seem to have more responsibilities or are simply more prestigious than the likes of Erevan or Brandobaris. Hades, for instance, is not a trickster in the traditional sense, but he wreaked havoc with his infamous helmet during the war against the titans. Hermes is entrusted with being the messenger of the Greek pantheon. Sung Chiang rules the lower planar black market. The Daghda rules the Celts. And so on.
I disagree with almost everything you just typed. Pagan what? Monotheistic huh? You did a combo of Forgotten Realms and Real World history there. Not sure how to respond.
I'm pretty sure everyone has a right to play as they see fit. Hence... I implore you to do the same. Open up a little and let CEV in.
Farseinfath damn you. lol. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2020 : 16:36:17
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Why would gods need a guild?
You misunderstand my friend. It's a fellowship that has been around since 2ED. Demi-Human deities delves into this matter more. The Trickster gods once gathered together every season or so. They were at least united by mischief.
Source info? While I have no problem picturing certain tricksters deities gathering with some other trickster deity for fun, and perhaps certain ones being pals across pantheons, I just can't see them having a yearly convention per se. Where is this mentioned in 2nd edition that this occurs? |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
1078 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2020 : 21:11:39
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Why would gods need a guild?
You misunderstand my friend. It's a fellowship that has been around since 2ED. Demi-Human deities delves into this matter more. The Trickster gods once gathered together every season or so. They were at least united by mischief.
Source info? While I have no problem picturing certain tricksters deities gathering with some other trickster deity for fun, and perhaps certain ones being pals across pantheons, I just can't see them having a yearly convention per se. Where is this mentioned in 2nd edition that this occurs?
It was an old Dragon Magazine or Dungeon Magazine article titled something like "The Tricksters regret" or "A room full of thieves" or something. No matter how hard I search on the internet I cannot seem to locate the article. I know I'm not imagining things, lol. Or am I? |
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Archfey of Debauchery
Acolyte
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Posted - 03 Aug 2020 : 18:04:03
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Archfey of Debauchery
Acolyte
23 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2020 : 18:06:18
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
I'm wicked curious as to what everybody thinks.
If ALL the Trickster deities gathered together we would have a list that would far exceed my ability to post them in order. I'll do my best in no certain order. lol.
Who do YOU consider the Head of the divine Tricksters Guild?
For some reason it won't let me take the poll. Has copper elven vampire disabled polling? |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1847 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2020 : 02:04:05
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| Voted Erevan for this one. Might have gone with Garl but I think Erevan fills the role more completely. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2020 : 12:32:06
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| Of all the ideas I saw this fellow come up with and try to put forward as canon, this was one that I found the least believable. To note, CEV tried to call this a canon meeting and could never provide the details, and he threw the concept back to second edition so that people would question it less. This was one thing I used to get annoyed with was him making up things and quoting them as canon, and he wouldn't admit that it was homebrew. Now, if someone can point me to this supposed dragon article, I'll eat my words. I just can't buy a group of trickster deities trusting each other so much that they would form a GUILD. Getting together as a group because of some looming issue that threatens them all is one thing, making a guild is another entirely. I've seen the movies like Ocean's 11, etc.... and while a group of thieves might get together for a heist, they're not going to work together repeatedly. Also, getting together is almost against their natures as the quintessential chaotic entities of the cosmos. The idea that they would get together repeatedly AND pick one of their number to LEAD them (and thus elevate another god above themselves when they don't need to)…. its hard for me to accept... and the fact that I come up with some REALLY off the wall stuff sometimes says something about that statement. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2020 : 19:38:16
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Of all the ideas I saw this fellow come up with and try to put forward as canon, this was one that I found the least believable. To note, CEV tried to call this a canon meeting and could never provide the details, and he threw the concept back to second edition so that people would question it less. This was one thing I used to get annoyed with was him making up things and quoting them as canon, and he wouldn't admit that it was homebrew. Now, if someone can point me to this supposed dragon article, I'll eat my words. I just can't buy a group of trickster deities trusting each other so much that they would form a GUILD. Getting together as a group because of some looming issue that threatens them all is one thing, making a guild is another entirely. I've seen the movies like Ocean's 11, etc.... and while a group of thieves might get together for a heist, they're not going to work together repeatedly. Also, getting together is almost against their natures as the quintessential chaotic entities of the cosmos. The idea that they would get together repeatedly AND pick one of their number to LEAD them (and thus elevate another god above themselves when they don't need to)…. its hard for me to accept... and the fact that I come up with some REALLY off the wall stuff sometimes says something about that statement.
That's why I didn't vote, myself. Not because it was an ArchCEV idea, but because I can't see all of these deities working together for even a one-off goal, much less forming a guild. I can't see any group of deities forming a guild, but a chaotic, cross-pantheon group of wildly varying alignments? Nope, not happening.
(Yes, I think they could work together if there was a big enough threat -- but it would have to be something huge, like a "destroy all of Realmspace" kind of threat. And even then, I don't see why you'd have a group of all-rogue deities coming together; it'd be more likely that you'd have entire pantheons working together, instead.) |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Aug 2020 : 05:32:32
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In his Realms it was Canon, thus that made it Canon for all of the Realms in his mind.
Really over the top for the LOL's we're chaotic trickster deities, meeting for s***s and giggles, cause we're chaotic and s***. LOL... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2020 : 06:11:47
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| I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he thought it was a viable option, this hypothetical guild. I just don't understand why he would have thought that. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Aug 2020 : 12:02:13
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The thing is that most trickster gods generally have better things to do with their time. The big name trickster gods already have their own powerbases and legendary deeds.
I'll put it like this: Sung Chiang runs the lower planar black market. Erevan gets drunk during Titania's parties. |
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see
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Aug 2020 : 23:54:44
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| Obviously Leira, the one tricky enough to not get listed . . . at least, not under her real name. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2020 : 00:26:13
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Originally posted by see
Obviously Leira, the one tricky enough to not get listed . . . at least, not under her real name.
No, she was the one that created the myth that they all needed to show up. |
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Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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The Head of The Tricksters Guild of Deities.
