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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 14 Apr 2020 : 22:43:44
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by AJA
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I personally think that there's a lot more clones running around, still -- but they've either gone to ground where they won't encounter other Manshoon clones, or they've left the Realms entirely, or they've changed to something other than a living Manshoon clone (undeath, shapechanging to some other race, etc).
As far as I am concerned, the only "true" Manshoon is the one from Ed's 2003 spin-a-yarn Only a Woman Can Take This Sort of Abuse, who forgot how to stasis clone but learned to like fishnets.
The exit ("just a jump to the left," purred Dove) the Sisters sent him through at the end took him to Earth, where he then spent the rest of his life trying to build a new, incredibly muscular and handsome clone (for umm...reasons) and took to calling himself Dr. Faerûnian-N-Furter.
And no, you can't convince me otherwise. 
So, does that make Fzoul=Riff and Sememmon=Magenta?
Boy this thread got weird quick. Must be from being cooped up in our homes for an extended period of time.
It's really quite astounding how this quarantine makes us feel like time is fleeting. I understand those who feel that madness takes its toll. |
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AJA
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Apr 2020 : 23:46:13
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
So, does that make Fzoul=Riff and Sememmon=Magenta?
Fzoul, definitely, although I think Semmemon (and Ashemmi) are better as Columbia and Meatloaf. And Volo is abso-lutely Dr. Scott.
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Must be from being cooped up in our homes for an extended period of time.
I told Wooly, I said hey, listen to me! Stay sane inside insanity. But he locked the door and threw away the key.
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keftiu
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Apr 2020 : 00:07:03
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As someone who devised an elaborate excuse for Eberron Rocky Horror, this makes me deeply happy.
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4e fangirl. Here to queer up the Realms. |
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
958 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2020 : 00:26:30
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| Greetings to all my equally cooped up scribes. So anyway, is Artor Morlin still at large in Waterdeep? He absolutely loathes any other vampire cutting in on his hunting grounds. As long as Vampshoon is cooped up in Undermountain, then Morlin is OK if he behaves himself. I'd sure hate to be in Morlin's shoes if he got caught trying to get Vampshoon ganked. |
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keftiu
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Posted - 15 Apr 2020 : 00:31:07
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Originally posted by Delnyn
Greetings to all my equally cooped up scribes. So anyway, is Artor Morlin still at large in Waterdeep? He absolutely loathes any other vampire cutting in on his hunting grounds. As long as Vampshoon is cooped up in Undermountain, then Morlin is OK if he behaves himself. I'd sure hate to be in Morlin's shoes if he got caught trying to get Vampshoon ganked.
Vampshoon wasn't in Undermountain and isn't the Waterdeep Manshoon. |
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Delnyn
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Posted - 15 Apr 2020 : 15:25:25
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Originally posted by keftiu
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Originally posted by Delnyn
Greetings to all my equally cooped up scribes. So anyway, is Artor Morlin still at large in Waterdeep? He absolutely loathes any other vampire cutting in on his hunting grounds. As long as Vampshoon is cooped up in Undermountain, then Morlin is OK if he behaves himself. I'd sure hate to be in Morlin's shoes if he got caught trying to get Vampshoon ganked.
Vampshoon wasn't in Undermountain and isn't the Waterdeep Manshoon.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Apr 2020 : 16:41:44
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| Wasn't there a series of Dungeon adventures concerning the not-so-good Mr. Morlin? Did he survive those adventurers? |
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Delnyn
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Posted - 16 Apr 2020 : 00:29:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Wasn't there a series of Dungeon adventures concerning the not-so-good Mr. Morlin? Did he survive those adventurers?
Unfortunately, I have no experience with Dungeon adventures and cannot give a reliable answer. But from what I heard from a professed Leiran worshipper... |
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AJA
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Apr 2020 : 00:55:40
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Wasn't there a series of Dungeon adventures concerning the not-so-good Mr. Morlin?
Eric L. Boyd's "Vampires of Waterdeep" trilogy in Dungeon Magazine: #126 "Blood of Malar," #127 "Dungeon of the Crypt," and #128 "The Fireplace Level."
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Did he survive those adventurers?
!!WARNING: SPOILERS!!
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Originally posted by the Concluding the Adventure section at the end of the "The Fireplace Level"
If the PCs succeed, the adventure ends with Artor Morlin either destroyed or driven from the City of Splendors.
According to the FRWiki, official word is Morlin did survive and "was intended to appear in Waterdeep: Dragon Heist, with several new pieces of concept art created, but wasn't included in the final version. Instead, he became a major NPC in Season 8 of the Adventurers League"
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2020 : 23:28:22
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Nevermind... I have gathered the info needed. By ALL accounts, in both game stats and novels, that The Vampire Manshoon IS a Vampire Lord.
He can walk in sunlight and have conversations with living humanoids without discovery. He utilizes NO magic to keep his affliction hidden and even powerful mages across Faerun seem to ignore him as he gives off no "radar" of UNDEAD power.
WOW... pretty cool. Pretty powerful. No Vampire in FR cannon has become so powerful in recent history. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2020 : 23:40:02
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Shyressa of the Twisted Rune would like a word.
As for Vampshoon, he's a wizard with a lot of time on his hands. A persistent protection from daylight spell of his own creation isn't out of bounds for him. Not every powerful vampire needs to be a vampire lord. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 01:25:26
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
Nevermind... I have gathered the info needed. By ALL accounts, in both game stats and novels, that The Vampire Manshoon IS a Vampire Lord.
He can walk in sunlight and have conversations with living humanoids without discovery. He utilizes NO magic to keep his affliction hidden and even powerful mages across Faerun seem to ignore him as he gives off no "radar" of UNDEAD power.
WOW... pretty cool. Pretty powerful. No Vampire in FR cannon has become so powerful in recent history.
Do you have canon sources that state that he's not using magic? Because it's very unlikely that a wizard isn't using magic or that a vampire gets that powerful in just a century. |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 01:37:52
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Shyressa of the Twisted Rune would like a word.
As for Vampshoon, he's a wizard with a lot of time on his hands. A persistent protection from daylight spell of his own creation isn't out of bounds for him. Not every powerful vampire needs to be a vampire lord.
I absolutely agree... but not every Vampire, nomatter their power, can do what Vampire Manshoon does.
Never once has he cast a single spell to ward off the daylight. The fact that he is epic powerful is simply because he's a Manshoon clone. Again... regarding books, novels, and stats, I'd place him as a Vampire Lord. Sorry you feel the urgent need to down-play that clone.
Who knows... Maybe LOB stats Manshoon as a 2'nd level druid in his game. I'm just going on what available data I have. |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 01:50:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
Nevermind... I have gathered the info needed. By ALL accounts, in both game stats and novels, that The Vampire Manshoon IS a Vampire Lord.
He can walk in sunlight and have conversations with living humanoids without discovery. He utilizes NO magic to keep his affliction hidden and even powerful mages across Faerun seem to ignore him as he gives off no "radar" of UNDEAD power.
WOW... pretty cool. Pretty powerful. No Vampire in FR cannon has become so powerful in recent history.
Do you have canon sources that state that he's not using magic? Because it's very unlikely that a wizard isn't using magic or that a vampire gets that powerful in just a century.
Do I laugh or weep? lol. Do YOU have any theory why he doesn't? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 01:57:50
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I don't have any theories for why he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature because I don't believe he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature.
Until you give me a canon source that says he's not using magic, I'm assuming that the obvious explanation is the correct one: that he is using magic. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 01:59:02
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The problem with the vampire lord theory is that Vampshoon can duplicate everything with magic, and he actually is a powerful wizard. A theoretical sunlight protection spell is something that he'd keep active passively as part of his daily routine.
Less "And lo,behold the end of the tyranny of the sun!" and more "cape's clean, robe's washed, sunblock up". |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:07:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't have any theories for why he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature because I don't believe he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature.
Until you give me a canon source that says he's not using magic, I'm assuming that the obvious explanation is the correct one: that he is using magic.
I'm truly sorry that you feel the ultimate go to is magic. So Vampire Manshoon HAS to use magic because you have no proof that he doesn't? WOW. Pretty faulty to say the least. It is soooo much more believable that he is a Vampire Lord and doesn't need his powerful magic to suppress his undead stature. But whatever... your the guy that thinks Erevan Ilesere is a really swell guy that would never do anything terrible to anyone. lol. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:11:52
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't have any theories for why he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature because I don't believe he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature.
Until you give me a canon source that says he's not using magic, I'm assuming that the obvious explanation is the correct one: that he is using magic.
I'm truly sorry that you feel the ultimate go to is magic. So Vampire Manshoon HAS to use magic because you have no proof that he doesn't? WOW. Pretty faulty to say the least. It is soooo much more believable that he is a Vampire Lord and doesn't need his powerful magic to suppress his undead stature. But whatever... your the guy that thinks Erevan Ilesere is a really swell guy that would never do anything terrible to anyone. lol.
Actually, I'm saying Vampshoon isn't a vampire lord, because a powerful wizard known for creative uses of his magic is the more obvious explanation.
And again: if you're going to keep saying he's not using magic, PROVE IT. |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:14:16
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The problem with the vampire lord theory is that Vampshoon can duplicate everything with magic, and he actually is a powerful wizard. A theoretical sunlight protection spell is something that he'd keep active passively as part of his daily routine.
Less "And lo,behold the end of the tyranny of the sun!" and more "cape's clean, robe's washed, sunblock up".
But wait... that sounds like Homebrew talk. That cannot be possible coming from such a black and white guy such as yourself right?
Whatever... Not to be a jerk, but you're all trolls. YOU, moderators, and that's pretty much it. You all question my homebrew (which is awesome and by the rules), but then you make up your own homebrew crap and think I'm going to fall for that?
I've been playing D&D since you were both crapping in your diapers. I'm old. Go troll somebody else. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:25:53
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| Vampshoon actually is a wizard. He doesn't need to be an ultravampire when, at his core, he's a wizard who also happens to have a skin condition. |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:31:47
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't have any theories for why he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature because I don't believe he doesn't use magic to disguise his nature.
Until you give me a canon source that says he's not using magic, I'm assuming that the obvious explanation is the correct one: that he is using magic.
I'm truly sorry that you feel the ultimate go to is magic. So Vampire Manshoon HAS to use magic because you have no proof that he doesn't? WOW. Pretty faulty to say the least. It is soooo much more believable that he is a Vampire Lord and doesn't need his powerful magic to suppress his undead stature. But whatever... your the guy that thinks Erevan Ilesere is a really swell guy that would never do anything terrible to anyone. lol.
Actually, I'm saying Vampshoon isn't a vampire lord, because a powerful wizard known for creative uses of his magic is the more obvious explanation.
And again: if you're going to keep saying he's not using magic, PROVE IT.
OMG! NO it's NOT! That is NOT Obvious at all. To whom is this obvious? lol. To most D&D players, it is blatantly obvious that Manshoon is a Vampire Lord and has no need for magic as he walks the streets of Arabel in the daylight.
The Vampire Lord Manshoon would have contingency, upon contingency, upon contingency placed upon himself with no worry. But to place spells and magicka upon himself to replicate living in the daylight seems beneath him as the Badass I have known him to be.
To have constant "Living" spells in effect so others think you're alive is asinine.
I mean, for F's sake.... Read The Herald... The Vampire Manshoon is a Vampire Lord by all accounts of the template. A Regular vampire couldn't fill those boots. But the Vampire Lord template is almost exact with what is written in the novels.
But hey... you obviously have something against the undead to begin with. cool. just keep your narrow views in the same closet as I put Erevan Ilesere. lol. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:38:45
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The problem with the vampire lord theory is that Vampshoon can duplicate everything with magic, and he actually is a powerful wizard. A theoretical sunlight protection spell is something that he'd keep active passively as part of his daily routine.
Less "And lo,behold the end of the tyranny of the sun!" and more "cape's clean, robe's washed, sunblock up".
But wait... that sounds like Homebrew talk. That cannot be possible coming from such a black and white guy such as yourself right?
Whatever... Not to be a jerk, but you're all trolls. YOU, moderators, and that's pretty much it. You all question my homebrew (which is awesome and by the rules), but then you make up your own homebrew crap and think I'm going to fall for that?
I've been playing D&D since you were both crapping in your diapers. I'm old. Go troll somebody else.
I'm just as old as you. And asking you for canon references is not trolling. |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:40:57
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Vampshoon actually is a wizard. He doesn't need to be an ultravampire when, at his core, he's a wizard who also happens to have a skin condition.
OMG "He doesn't need this" "He doesn't need that." lol. I'm going by what I'm reading as an intelligent human being reading words written in english. Every single appearance in any novel since the Manshoon Wars, has placed The Vampire Manshoon as a Vampire Lord, on top of being a 20'th + level arcane caster.
Done arguing with trolls. Sleep tight. Don't let real gaming give fright. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:42:17
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
OMG! NO it's NOT! That is NOT Obvious at all. To whom is this obvious? lol. To most D&D players, it is blatantly obvious that Manshoon is a Vampire Lord and has no need for magic as he walks the streets of Arabel in the daylight.
The Vampire Lord Manshoon would have contingency, upon contingency, upon contingency placed upon himself with no worry. But to place spells and magicka upon himself to replicate living in the daylight seems beneath him as the Badass I have known him to be.
To have constant "Living" spells in effect so others think you're alive is asinine.
I mean, for F's sake.... Read The Herald... The Vampire Manshoon is a Vampire Lord by all accounts of the template. A Regular vampire couldn't fill those boots. But the Vampire Lord template is almost exact with what is written in the novels.
But hey... you obviously have something against the undead to begin with. cool. just keep your narrow views in the same closet as I put Erevan Ilesere. lol.
Not obvious at all -- except to everyone in this discussion except you. Yeah, expecting a wizard to use magic, especially when he has a history of doing that -- so illogical!
And not being willing to make wild, unfounded assumptions is not having a thing against undead. Again, if he's not using magic, then prove it. If you can give me canon proof that he's not using magic, I'll gladly proclaim I was wrong.
The only narrow view here is your own: you can't conceive of any possibility other than the one you favor. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:43:55
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Vampshoon actually is a wizard. He doesn't need to be an ultravampire when, at his core, he's a wizard who also happens to have a skin condition.
OMG "He doesn't need this" "He doesn't need that." lol. I'm going by what I'm reading as an intelligent human being reading words written in english. Every single appearance in any novel since the Manshoon Wars, has placed The Vampire Manshoon as a Vampire Lord, on top of being a 20'th + level arcane caster.
Done arguing with trolls. Sleep tight. Don't let real gaming give fright.
Every single one of those novels, plus every sourcebook, has placed him as a powerful wizard. There is literally no reason at all not to assume he's using magic. |
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LordofBones
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 04:48:21
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Yes, he's a very powerful wizard who happens to be a vampire. There's no reason for him to be a vampire lord when in universe his wizardry already explains why he's not bothered by sunlight.
Although, if you're so hung up on it, there are these lines in the template;
"A vampire lord was formerly a vampire under the control of another vampire (not a vampire lord) and has slain its creator. Further, the vampire lord must have created at least 10 vampires and survived an assassination attempt by one of its subjects before achieving vampire lord status."
So who was Vampshoon's boss, who were his ten creations, and who tried to kill him? |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 08:30:06
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| To be honest I have no clue why you even bother to argue with Copper Elven Vampire. Each of his posts read like they have been written by an 8 year old and it's getting really annoying... |
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Bane of the Harpers
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 14:34:45
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To calm everyone down, here are the properties of Manshoon's Bloodmask (4th ed, FRCM p. 57)
"- If you are undead, your vulnerability to radiant is negated while you are wearing the bloodmask.
- If you are a vampire, you can regenerate even while exposed to sunlight"
So yeah, he's a badass wizard capable of creating items to protect his vampire butt! :) |
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Gareth
Seeker
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Posted - 21 Apr 2020 : 18:30:18
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The Vampiric Manshoon (Vampshoon) is "A “unique” vampire, it should be noted, of mutable, slowly shifting vampiric abilities."
Ed Greenwood- Forging the Realms: Manshoon the Manyfaced
https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/manshoon-manyfaced
"He's never been vulnerable to sunlight, as most vampires are, but then again, he can't charm as a true vampire does either"
Ed Greenwood- Spellstorm
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Derulbaskul
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Posted - 22 Apr 2020 : 07:22:43
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Manshoon is statted up as a vampire AND a wizard in the 4E FRCG. I know 4E is hated here but that's still canon.
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To be honest I have no clue why you even bother to argue with Copper Elven Vampire. Each of his posts read like they have been written by an 8 year old and it's getting really annoying...
It might be best if we all ignored him. There are clearly some mental health issues being revealed indirectly in his posts. |
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