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lookatroopa
Acolyte
Netherlands
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 Posted - 20 Mar 2020 : 01:52:24
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| If it ever comes to a reorganization of the pantheon, I think it might be neat for Luthic to take charge, which happens to be a possibility hinted at in an aside on page 82 of Volo's Guide to Monsters. |
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keftiu
Senior Scribe
656 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2020 : 02:25:14
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Originally posted by lookatroopa
If it ever comes to a reorganization of the pantheon, I think it might be neat for Luthic to take charge, which happens to be a possibility hinted at in an aside on page 82 of Volo's Guide to Monsters.
Good catch, I hadn't seen that! And such a den mother goddess might well be a better patron for nation builders than a Chaotic war deity.
It's strange that Many-Arrows still exists in 5e, yet gets no mention anywhere in that section... |
4e fangirl. Here to queer up the Realms. |
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AuldDragon
Senior Scribe
USA
578 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2020 : 04:19:22
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I like the idea of Gruumsh being a more multidimensional deity rather than just a "GRAR Fight everything everywhere!" deity, and willing to try out different things, at least occasionally.
This is not at all canon, but I was thinking about Dukagsh and the Scro a while ago, and trying to mesh him, the scro, and the standard orcish pantheon together while fitting the canon. I see Baghtru as the "common orc's god," Ilneval the "orog's god," and Dukagsh was elevated to be the "scro's god." But Gruumsh also elevated him to essentially try a new approach to conquering, with a more intelligent and strategic view. The orcish nation on Faerun could fit into that.
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"That sums it up in a nutshell, AuldDragon. You make a more convincing argument. But he's right and you're not." |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
991 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2020 : 13:37:56
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| I'm fine with orcs being CE, though I see Ilneval, at least as being more NE if not outright LE (perhaps the same for dumb Baghtru who just does what mommy and daddy tell him). My only beef was Obould becoming an exarch of Gruumsh. I would have been more comfortable with him being an exarch of Ilneval. |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
USA
1044 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2020 : 17:51:17
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Originally posted by keftiu
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Originally posted by lookatroopa
If it ever comes to a reorganization of the pantheon, I think it might be neat for Luthic to take charge, which happens to be a possibility hinted at in an aside on page 82 of Volo's Guide to Monsters.
Good catch, I hadn't seen that! And such a den mother goddess might well be a better patron for nation builders than a Chaotic war deity.
It's strange that Many-Arrows still exists in 5e, yet gets no mention anywhere in that section...
As long as it is not Baghtru. 1M gp muscles, 1 cp brain. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1570 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2020 : 05:32:49
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
Shargaas should be more prevalent in the Realms. Very cool Orc deity.
If Shargaas could backstab and slay Gruumsh, he would in a heartbeat.
Maybe Shargaas should be the new head of the Orc Pantheon.
Shaargas doesn't have the metaphysical might of Gruumsh to keep the pantheon in line, not to mention that the resulting schism is hardly something they need when they're next door neighbors to Maglubiyet and his servants. |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
USA
1044 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2020 : 05:49:58
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
If Shargaas could backstab and slay Gruumsh, he would in a heartbeat.
As the Spartans replied to Philip of Macedon's threats: "IF". That is why Gruumsh is still in charge.
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1570 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2020 : 07:48:29
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| That's also assuming he wants to head the pantheon. He doesn't; Shargaas isn't an orc trickster god. Shargaas is the orc Nerull. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12075 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2020 : 13:24:23
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| It could be interesting too if some orcs start following a non-orc deity who is also non-humanoid. That way they aren't seen as necessarily "race betrayers". For instance, I could see some orcs that follow a beast cult for wolves/dire wolves/winter wolves or a beast cult that is devoted to a boar deity (as the original 1e orcs were very piggish/Gamorrean Guard in appearance). Also, if it ever came out that Luthic had cheated on Gruumsh with Grumbar, might some orcs gain some respect for the earth god. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2020 : 15:40:37
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Learned Scribe keftiu,
I couldn't tell you, but I know from discussions you and I have had in the past about the broken alignment system, I would go with what I see to be your correct outlook on not using the one as it is current and skip by it. It sounds like you probably use a good subjective system for alignment as is, which is frankly how the myriad of people's morals and ethics are in the world are.
Best regards,
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Changing the Orc Pantheon
