| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
keftiu
Senior Scribe
656 Posts |
 Posted - 11 Feb 2020 : 02:26:13
|
Found out recently that 3.5 had enough of the archmage lingering on for there to be a Vestige that Binders had access to, and while chewing on the character potential of that, it made me wonder; how would he view the shade-warped, Shar-worshiping descendants of the empire he worked so hard for?
Im not an expert on Netherese lore, especially the older material, but I have to wonder if his old disdain for Mystryl might similarly color his opinion of Shar, and that he might rankle at seeing the Netherese so thoroughly in her sway.
|
4e fangirl. Here to queer up the Realms. |
|
|
Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2020 : 03:03:19
|
Karsus would likely think of modern Netherese much the same way he'd think of ancient Netherese: as (inferior) peers, underlings, vassals, pawns, and servants - or as threats and adversaries to be confronted. Assuming these Netherese had any abilities which would make them useful, of course.
Karsus was always a brilliant fanatic. And in the end he suffered from world-shattering god-killing megalomania, arrogance, and insanity. |
[/Ayrik] |
 |
|
|
sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11883 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2020 : 17:25:47
|
| I see Karsus favoring the Halruaans over the Netherese in modern day. Both are ancestors of Netheril mind you. BTW, there are "Karsites" as a race in Tome of Magic, as humans with a lack of magic potential, and if I were to place them anywhere it would be Halruaa. The monks of Halruaa that Elaine created that are very magic resistant would make perfect "descendants" of this race (I forget the name of them). |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
Edited by - sleyvas on 11 Feb 2020 17:27:43 |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36821 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2020 : 19:08:36
|
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
Karsus would likely think of modern Netherese much the same way he'd think of ancient Netherese: as (inferior) peers, underlings, vassals, pawns, and servants - or as threats and adversaries to be confronted. Assuming these Netherese had any abilities which would make them useful, of course.
Karsus was always a brilliant fanatic. And in the end he suffered from world-shattering god-killing megalomania, arrogance, and insanity.
I'm inclined to favor this view... The whole idea of Karsus as some sort of benevolent madman was something that came later; he was originally depicted as an egomaniac.
I think a reborn Karsus would be most concerned with how anyone -- Netherese or otherwise -- could aid his goals. He might be more favorably inclined towards those of Netherese descent, but he'd also regard them as having fallen from what the Netherese once were. Even the Shades and Halruaans would be lessers, in his view, since the Netherese were somewhat disdainful of deities. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen!  |
|
|
|
Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2020 : 19:23:20
|
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm inclined to favor this view... The whole idea of Karsus as some sort of benevolent madman was something that came later; he was originally depicted as an egomaniac.
I think a reborn Karsus would be most concerned with how anyone -- Netherese or otherwise -- could aid his goals. He might be more favorably inclined towards those of Netherese descent, but he'd also regard them as having fallen from what the Netherese once were. Even the Shades and Halruaans would be lessers, in his view, since the Netherese were somewhat disdainful of deities.
Indeed. I also think Karsus wold be disappointed in Telamont Tanthul, seeing he was once his student, and Telamont became a god's (Shar's) servant. |
|
|
|
_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
Germany
584 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2020 : 22:07:56
|
quote:
Originally posted by Baltas
I also think Karsus wold be disappointed in Telamont Tanthul, seeing he was once his student, and Telamont became a god's (Shar's) servant.
Good point.
I don't know what he would think about Shade, but I guess he would stay away from them like Larloch or Ioulaum where doing. Trying to watch them without them knowing about him and waiting for an opurtunity to get some benefits out of them. |
|
|
|
BrennonGoldeye
Learned Scribe
105 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2020 : 16:32:10
|
quote:
Originally posted by keftiu
Found out recently that 3.5 had enough of the archmage lingering on for there to be a Vestige that Binders had access to, and while chewing on the character potential of that, it made me wonder; how would he view the shade-warped, Shar-worshiping descendants of the empire he worked so hard for?
Im not an expert on Netherese lore, especially the older material, but I have to wonder if his old disdain for Mystryl might similarly color his opinion of Shar, and that he might rankle at seeing the Netherese so thoroughly in her sway.
Hmm... Let me see if I can summon him up.... LK? Are you there LK? |
Sam |
|
|
|
Storyteller Hero
Learned Scribe
USA
329 Posts |
|
|
ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2077 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2020 : 16:49:18
|
My opinion is that there has been far too much emphasis on the "named" arcanists of Netheril and far too little on the Netherese society at large.
My son and I were having a discussion the other day about the Realms. He pointed out that every other dungeon should have a sign that says "Yet another dwarfhold overrun by orcs." And that every other magical beast should have a sign that says "Yet another Netherese arcanist in a lab coat behaving irresponsibly."
Made me laugh, at least. :-) |
--
http://www.ericlboyd.com/dnd/ |
Edited by - ericlboyd on 12 Feb 2020 18:12:55 |
|
|
|
BrennonGoldeye
Learned Scribe
105 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2020 : 16:58:57
|
quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller Hero
I'm tossing in a shout for the Netherese ancestors and descendants living in Selunarra, the enclave that was saved by Selune during the Folly.
I'm still trying to get together the years of stuff I have on Opus. It was a base of operations in a decade long Epic Campaign of ours. It's just such a massive pain to get "DMs Guild" ready. |
Sam |
|
|
|
Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3745 Posts |
|
|
Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2020 : 02:42:36
|
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-No sir, I don't like 'em. Don't like 'em one bit.
Well, there it is folks! |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
|
|
|
LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1546 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2020 : 05:47:02
|
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
My opinion is that there has been far too much emphasis on the "named" arcanists of Netheril and far too little on the Netherese society at large.
My son and I were having a discussion the other day about the Realms. He pointed out that every other dungeon should have a sign that says "Yet another dwarfhold overrun by orcs." And that every other magical beast should have a sign that says "Yet another Netherese arcanist in a lab coat behaving irresponsibly."
Made me laugh, at least. :-)
My new headcanon is that all Netherese arcanists speak with a heavy, almost unintelligible German accent. |
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
What would Karsus think of the modern Netherese?
