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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 25 Jan 2020 : 17:43:04
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In lore, I have read that certain events have happened so far back that they are outside of time somehow. I even read that more recent events happened outside of time, like the Dawn War (though I think that has since been given a date).
But without time, I cant find a way to order these things in my mind and frankly the concept seems like a bit of a cop out in order to avoid having to answer some difficult questions. What I mean is, if you had to use a DR date, when was Aos creation of Realmspace? When did Tyche get split in two? When did Selune and Shars battle create Mystra? Where in this sequence events (because there has to be an order) did the aboleth rule?
In other words, if the Grand History were to be rewritten and expanded upon, what would really be on the first page?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 Jan 2020 : 18:17:39
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Me, I also hate the "outside of time" thing and refuse to use it -- especially when we do have enough info for a date range for something.
The Dawn Cataclysm is one of those "out of time" things... But we know that Tyche split into Beshaba and Tymora during the DC, and that Tyche's church split into the churches of Beshaba and Tymora in the 700s DR. And there are references to the Dawn Cataclysm presaging the fall of Myth Drannor, which happened in 712-714 DR. That puts a pretty tight timeframe on an "outside of time" event. |
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Zeromaru X
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Colombia
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Posted - 25 Jan 2020 : 18:53:11
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Mmm... this is something hard to convert to DR. According to the 4e FRCG, the Dawn War lasted for epochs (that if I understand the concept well, each epoch is like a geological age?) before the start of the Days of Thunder. But, if I have to guess, a likely order would be:
Beginning of Time:
Ao/Asgorath (Io)/Ouroboros the World Serpent creates Realmspace (the creator of the universe changes depending on who you ask).
Awakening of the gods (eons ago):
The first native gods awaken. Again, which gods depend on who you ask. Current Faerūnians will tell you Shar and Selūne, while a dragon may mention Zotha. The awakened gods then begin the ordering of Realmspace. Shar and Selūne are credited with the creation of the planets and such, giving birth to Chauntea and the first Primal Spirits when they created Abeir-Toril.
The Blue Age:
Abeir-Toril begins as a watery world. Piscaethes appears on the world around this time, dropping the city of Xxiphu and the Eldest (the first aboleth of Abeir-Toril) on the planet. Some years laters (maybe even centuries) the first, basic forms of life begin to manifest (I guess, as a creation of the aboleths) in the oceans. Sensing the birth of life, Chauntea begs for a sun
The War of Light and Darkness:
The fabled war between Shar and Selūne after the creation of the first sun starts around here. Birth of Lurue with the awakening of magic (she is the original goddess of magic, after all); and of Mistryl, if you believe in Netherese propaganda. Some other gods begin to manifest as well.
Around this time, the weavers also appear on the Realms (perhaps wandering from another universe?)
The coming of the Primordials:
The Primordials, beings of pure elemental energy or manifest entropy, begin to appear on the other, barren planets of Realmspace. Some reshape them, while others just want to chill out and destroy planets. The Primodials either arose from these planes or came from the Elemental Chaos (the plane from which the creator of the universe drew the matter and energy to create the universe). Sources are conflicting on the matter.
The Dawn War:
When the Primordials try to reshape Abeir-Toril, Shar and Selūne decide to make a truce and to face the Primordials in a unified front. As the Primordials were more powerful than the gods, the twin goddesses began to summon gods from other universes (also ravaged by the Dawn War, that was a multiversal conflict) to create a more effective army to protect the mortal worlds.
At some point of this period the Primordial Nehushta build the fortress of Glaur in Abeir-Toril, to serve as an important outposts for the Primordials in the multiverse-spanning conflict.
The Shadow Epoch:
After eons of fighting, a Primordial known as Dendar the Night Serpent devours the first sun, killing all the life forms of watery Abeir-Toril (sans the aboleths) and starting a Ice Age that lasted for a geologicalage (enough time for the formation of landmasses, mind you).
During this bitter age of the war, Ouroboros the World Serpent is said to be the leader of the ancient gods, but this can be sarrukh propaganda.
The Dawn War fininshed in Abeir-Toril when the Primordial Ubtao betrayed their fellows for a place among the gods in the new order. Presumably the surviving gods created a new sun (the current one), ending the Ice Age.
-35000 DR - The Days of Thunder:
With the Ice Age gone, some sarrukh guys appear in the now full-formed continents, and begin to create their empires and that stuff. This is the beginning of recorded time.
I guess that stuff like the tale of Tyche and Moander must happen during the time of recorded history. |
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Edited by - Zeromaru X on 25 Jan 2020 21:48:49 |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jan 2020 : 20:44:52
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| Where does the Sundering fit into that? |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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Posted - 25 Jan 2020 : 21:38:37
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Originally posted by Arivia
Where does the Sundering fit into that?
All three Sunderings happen within the timeframe of recorded history:
The Tearfall (the original Sundering) in -31000 DR; the so-called First Sundering in -17000 DR; and the Second Sundering in the timeframe of 1482 DR to 1487 DR. |
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Edited by - Zeromaru X on 25 Jan 2020 21:44:45 |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 26 Jan 2020 : 00:18:43
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| These are fantastic answers, thank you everyone. I keep saying little prayers that GHotR will be updated and expanded one day. Id love to see stuff like this included in addition to the recent 100 years and new events that have come to light from within the date range of the book. |
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