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Arivia
Great Reader
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 Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 07:14:35
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Originally posted by Dargoth
The Great Worm Cavern (NW of Menzo)
Home of the Great Worm Uthgardt; the location of their ancestor mound.
Savage Frontier page 12, 24, & 54. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 08:14:48
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Originally posted by George Krashos
These four are from FR11 Dwarves Deep. They are the surviving clans of Oghrann in the Far Hills.
I've also managed to find one of Ed's references to a gnome kingdom (could have been deep gnomes also ..). It was called Oelerhode and was centred on present-day Owlhold in the Border Kingdoms. It was destroyed by orcs and existed "thousand of years ago". See Polyhedron#146.
-- George Krashos
Confound it George, you beat me to it  .
My first 'Border Kingdoms' reference, and I couldn't even make it  .
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 10:34:01
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Sounds like you got the parcel. Good-o.
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The Sage
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 11:16:14
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No, you didn't but I'm thinking (and usually that's dangerous) that where the gnomes have established a decent sized underground settlement, that deep gnomes link up for security/trade reasons. Basically, I think that deep gnomes are the proverbial fifth wheel. Gnomes are mostly underground dwellers - what's the need for "deep" versions? It's like having Deep Dwarves (which I suppose we have considering the urdunnir). So basically what I'm saying is that any sizable gnome settlement that is underground should have a deep gnome component or links with deep gnomes. But hey, that's my crackpot idea.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 11:37:32
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I don't think it's that much of a crackpot idea, a little "out there" maybe . It's a rather logical assumption actually.
Although, the fact that most deep gnomes would rather associate with forest gnomes over rock gnomes may limit the number of deep gnome communities that have links with the other communities of their kin. Races of Faerun states that, while deep gnomes - being as suspicious as they are - will usually shun outsider races, they will choose to interact with their forest gnome kin first, then with their rock gnomes cousins second.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 11:48:46
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Looks like I should have checked the extensive gnome section in Races of Faerun before posting my crackpot idea. The only thing that strikes me as odd is why svirfnebli would prefer their forest brethren over their rocky brethren ... 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 13:14:40
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I know, it doesn't make much sense. The deep gnomes share many traits with their rock gnome cousins. And, considering the fact that rock gnomes predominantly exist in underground communities, you'd think that the svirfnebli would look to them first, seeing the more culturally different, surface-dwelling forest gnomes as the outsiders.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 14:24:04
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Iritaskar (under the Sunset Mountains near Sshamath)
Sabrishon (Near Sshamath)
Therlarns fist (Near Sshamath)
Uestingpool (Near Sshamath)
These four are from FR11 Dwarves Deep. They are the surviving clans of Oghrann in the Far Hills.
I've also managed to find one of Ed's references to a gnome kingdom (could have been deep gnomes also ..). It was called Oelerhode and was centred on present-day Owlhold in the Border Kingdoms. It was destroyed by orcs and existed "thousand of years ago". See Polyhedron#146.
-- George Krashos
Thanks George
That leaves
Glanderultok
Morndivver
Nar'Vheen
Ullin'Tharnor
Ultoksurllur |
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Edited by - Dargoth on 28 Apr 2004 14:25:05 |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 15:07:11
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Glanderultok (under the Mountains South of the Turnback mountain range) --- still blanking, might be shield dwarves, look at Demihuman Deities, Major Centers of Worship for Abbathor
Morndivver (under the Starspire mountains) -- Shield Dwarves, mentioned in Lands of Intrigue
Nar'Vheen (Near Calaunt) -- Drow (I think) city detailed in LC RPGA play
The Great Worm Cavern (NW of Menzo) -- (Former) home of totem beast of one of the Uthgardt tribes, mentioned in FR5 - The Savage Frontier, The North, and FRCS.
Ullin'Tharnor (under the Great Glacier) -- Drow (I think) ... not sure why I put this one in there ... there was probably a reason, but I think it's on the list of drow city names in FOR2 - Drow of the Underdark
Ultoksurllur (Under the Starspire Mountains) -- Hmm probably shield dwarves or deep gnomes / mentioned in Lands of Intrigue, but I'm not really remembering
Also, not on the maps, is the drow city of Kiaransalee worshipers found under the Galenas and discussed in Demihuman Deities, in the write-up of Kiaransalee
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 01:46:03
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Thanks Eric
That fills in the last of the list
Im tempted to Scan the map in Underdark and try put the DGTU sites on it
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 14:21:45
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Found another Deep Gnome city Mycaern which is apparently under the Moonshae isles.
Anyone have any info on this city? (it may have appeared in the Druidhome series of Novels, which I done have access to) |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 15:21:22
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| Beneath the Galena Mountains is a cavern known as the Vault of Gnashing Teeth. In the center of a lake in the Vault is the drow city of V'elddrinnsshar, inhabited by Kiaransalee worshippers. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 15:57:56
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I thought the 2e Moonshae tome would have something on this deep gnome city Dargoth, but I couldn't find any references to Mycaern in it.
Maybe George or Faraer can help...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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The Sage
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 17:52:49
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I forgot all about that deep gnome city under the Moonshaes.
All information about the Underdark of the Moonshaes can be found in the novel "Black Wizards" (due to be re-released this year, I believe) and in the Forgotten Realms Atlas by Karen Lynn Fonstad.
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 18:19:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
I think Alaundo may have mentioned something. Although I can't remember where...
Well met
Hmmmm, not about these deep gnomes cities, Sage. Although I have been collating a personal list whilst reading this scroll anyway so indeed will include it in the next update Thank ye for the nudge  |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 01 May 2004 : 01:26:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So, has anyone collated all this stuff into one list?
I have it all on an excel spread sheet
Im thinking of doing a map that combines the cities on the Drizzts guide to the Underdark map and the new 3ed Underdark source book (See my thread in General chat forum) |
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Edited by - Dargoth on 01 May 2004 02:20:56 |
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The Sage
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 May 2004 : 12:36:53
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Originally posted by The Sage
Dargoth, will you be making this information (the Excel listing) available to Candlekeep at all?.
yeah I sent it to Alaundo around 10 minutes ago. (I was going to send it in with Underdark map) |
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The Sage
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 May 2004 : 12:50:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
Excellent  . Hopefully Alaundo will include the file in the next Candlekeep update.
Thats what he said
(And now back to T1, Arnies about to visit the Police station, Ill be Back :-) |
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Alaundo
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 May 2004 : 23:37:58
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| I do not no if this counts since it is a game. But characters mentioned some hidden gnome city in the deepes areas of Icewindale. More of a refugee camp from some tyrant. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 05 May 2004 : 14:22:47
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I found Zanhoriloch - Rand's Travelogue on the WotC FR website: Underdark and the Vast. It's a dwarven city.
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Baalster
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Jun 2004 : 20:28:34
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Glanderultok (under the Mountains South of the Turnback mountain range) --- still blanking, might be shield dwarves, look at Demihuman Deities, Major Centers of Worship for Abbathor
The mountains are called White Peaks. In addition to the Glanderultok, it also contains Folharn, a gnome city detailed in Demihuman Deities under Flandal.
Any further details on Glanderultok (and Folharn for that matter) would be highly appreciated.
And kudos to all here for the splendid work you are doing here at the library. A true treasure chest for us who seek knowledge.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 15:58:24
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Does anyone know of any Deep Gnome cities?, other than Blingdenstone (destroyed by the Drow)
I`m not sure that blidgenstone could technically be called destroyed. The svirfneblin in the city fled before the drow even came close.
Edit. Damn, I didn`t notice that there were other pages on this topic. Just ignore what I said. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 20:41:01
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Vendui!
Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but what does ...
ericlboyd
Llacerellyn .... illithids ... EE:THM / SK
... the bolded letters stand for?
As for drow cities, there is indeed a list in The Drow of the Underdark, which is expanded in Underdark:
Abaethaggar, Abburth, Baereghel, Charrvhel'raugaust, Chaulssin (100 miles west of Citadel Adbar), Ched Nasad (High Gap, Graypeak Mountains), Cheth Rrhinn, Dusklyngh (200 miles north of the Frozen Forest & 100 miles east of Anauroch), Eryndlyn (120 miles east of Illefarn), Faneadar, Guallidurth (70 miles WNW of Calimport), Haundrauth, Ithilaughym, Jhachalklyn, Karsoluthiyl (200 miles west of Baldur's Gate), Llurth Dreier (140 miles west of the northern tip of the Great Rift, Shaar), Luihaulen'tar, Maeralyn (20 miles west of Tharsult), Maerimydra (100 miles west of Zhentil Keep, beneath Daggerdale), Menzoberranzan (100 miles west of Silverymoon), Orlytlar, Sschindylryn (220 miles north of Elversult), Sshamath (200 miles east of Scornubel), Sshanntynlan, Szithlin, Tlethtyrr, T'lindeth (Dambrath), Tyrybblyn, Uluitur, Undraeth, Undrek'Thoz (beneath Thay), V'elddrinnsshar (West Galena Mountains), Waerglarn, Waethe Hlammachar, Yuethindrynn
(sources mentioned above)
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 22:37:16
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Originally posted by Zanan
Vendui!
Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but what does ...
ericlboyd
Llacerellyn .... illithids ... EE:THM / SK
... the bolded letters stand for?
Not sure about EE:THM, but SK is for Serpent Kingdoms, and the reference in that tome is on page 110.
Also not sure if it has been mentioned.
Ss'zuraass'nee, The City of Abominations, lies in the depths of the northern Serpent Hills, about 1/2 mile below the lizardolk kingdom of Kalran.
So looks like we have a Lizardfolk and an Yuan-ti city, near an Illithid city. All mentions in SK on page 110. |
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