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cpthero2
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 Posted - 28 Feb 2020 : 22:21:21
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Great Reader Dargoth,
First off: that is a fantastic moral dilemma. I am going to read that book now. Awesome!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Dargoth
WARNING CONTAINS DRAGON HEIST SPOILERS
The Cassalanters have sold their childrens soul to Asmodous for Material gain and when the Child reaches a certain age he claims the soul and then transforms their boldy into a Devil, this has already happaned to the Eldest child and time is running out for the remaining 2 children. There is an out for the remaining 2 children if the Cassalanters Sacrifice 1 Million gold and.... 100 Innocent people to Asmodous in exchnge for releasing their childrens souls...
So Im left thinking the "best" solution is for the Players to murder the children before they reach the age where Asmodous can claim them. While the children are dead there souls at least arent damned to the 9 Hells for all eternity.
Other potential options
Getting the Children to Pledge their souls to another deity before the contract runs out (Is there a minimum age for Pledging your soul to a deity)
Plane shifting the children to another plane or Gods realm where they'd ignore the terms of the Faustian Pact (CG Plane or deitiy would be ideal)
Thoughts? Anyone run this and if so what did the players do?
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Feb 2020 : 22:37:25
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Great Reader Kentinal,
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Murder should never be an answer
It depends on if we're really talking about murder or killing. The two are quite different depending on motive.
That being said: it depends on one's ethic. How are you analyzing the choice? Certainly you are not advocating that everyone perceives things the same way? I would also imagine you are not going to evaluate that kind of situation as being "evil" or "good" without justifying how such an ethical and moral evaluation came about?
For example: when John Allen Chau (a.k.a. the idiot who went and got killed on the Senegal Isles) went onto the Senegal Isles and was ventilated with arrows until he laid dead on the ground, some called it killing, others called it murder. How are we judging the Senegal tribesman? By Indian law? U.S. law since he was a U.S. citizen? Does anyone have the "right" or legal privilege to come after the Senegal for killing John? It's there land. Were they justified? Was it ignorance that led to the death, or absolute conviction based on their outlooks/values/ethics/morals?
Another example: when General Manius Manilius laid siege to Carthage in 149 B.C., citizens killed their kids out of kindness for what was to be visited upon them by the Roman's. The Roman's did everything they imagined too: raped, tortured, mutilated and killed everyone except the 50,000 slaves taken who had similar treatment.
Yet another example: At Laderan Banadero during WWII, Japanese soldiers and civilians committed suicide to the tune of thousands of people, including women with their infants by jumping off the cliffs because they had been told that "American devils were raping and devouring Japanese women and children." Of course, absolutely ludicrous, but they decided to end the lives of their children and themselves because they thought the alternative was worse.
The point is, sometimes mercy comes in crazy ways.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Murder should never be an answer, there though might be inadvertent death as result of treatment.
The goal is to save a soul, being more important then the body.
The option of the children pledging their own souls interesting and might be possible. The children however one need to be of age of reason (That might be as young as twelve in the view of some). There however is a bug here, the children must be sincere in such a dedication and at a young age commitment of that degree of importance is had to make or keep.
There will be the remaining problem of if the parents manage to break their pledge to Asmodous, they will be billed in some way to replace the loss. Maybe their own souls if those or still free of Asmodous' claim already.
Exile for the entire family might work, however I suspect even other plane escape would result in pursuit. Asmodous will send others to extract punishment.
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When murdering 2 Children is the best solution...
