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BARDOBARBAROS
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Greece
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 Posted - 08 Jul 2018 : 18:20:44
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hi!!! I can not install the AD&D core rules 2.00 in my windows 10 pc?? Why is this happening??Can anyone help me??
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2018 : 18:31:55
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| Lol, how many years old is that CD? 20? |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2018 : 18:33:38
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| yes 20!!! but until windows 8 was working fine..Now what is happened i do not know!!! |
BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2018 : 02:02:41
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I've had all the old software working on Windows 7. Haven't tried on my Win10 box -- there hasn't been a need. Heck, I barely used that software on the XP machines I installed it on.
Perhaps you could offer a description of what is happening, beyond "Why is this happening??" Without knowing what "this" is, it's hard to offer any help.
Without any information at all, I'd say to go into the Program Files and locate the executable for the program, right-click on it and go to Properties, go to the Compatibility tab, check "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and pick something from the dropdown. Hit OK and then try again. You may have to try a couple of different earlier OS's to get it.
Keep in mind that Windows has changed a hell of a lot since that software was written. You're trying to watch VHS in an age of Blu-Ray and streaming, there.
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2018 : 02:04:44
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| Try to install it in wine. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2018 : 02:14:35
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Unless I'm mistaken, it will not work on the platform. Win 10 ended a lot of the backwards compatibility they were hanging onto. Damn kids and the new-fangled machines. :)
The simplest solution is to build a virtual XP Machine for stuff like that. I recommend virtual box. Its free and easy to do. You can download XP virtual disks for that from many places online for free as well. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2018 : 03:20:34
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The Core Rules 2.0 will install and work on Windows 10. I just installed the program from the CD (as soon as I dug it out!), and once I was thru the tutorial, went partway thru character creation.
And I didn't have to do anything in particular to get it to run, either. It did throw an error at the end of the installation, about installation languages, but I figured that was safe to ignore.
For an encore, I installed the Interactive Atlas from CD, as well. It also runs on Windows 10.
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 09 Jul 2018 03:21:15 |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2018 : 08:23:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've had all the old software working on Windows 7. Haven't tried on my Win10 box -- there hasn't been a need. Heck, I barely used that software on the XP machines I installed it on.
Perhaps you could offer a description of what is happening, beyond "Why is this happening??" Without knowing what "this" is, it's hard to offer any help.
Without any information at all, I'd say to go into the Program Files and locate the executable for the program, right-click on it and go to Properties, go to the Compatibility tab, check "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and pick something from the dropdown. Hit OK and then try again. You may have to try a couple of different earlier OS's to get it.
Keep in mind that Windows has changed a hell of a lot since that software was written. You're trying to watch VHS in an age of Blu-Ray and streaming, there.
I tried many times to execute the autorun and setup files..in all different choices of compatibility. it asks if i want to let this app from an unknown publisher to make changes on this device, I press the yes button and then seems to start running thed programme and stops without doing anything.. which vesrion of windows 10 has your pc(youcan see it on systeom option in the control panel) |
BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
Edited by - BARDOBARBAROS on 10 Jul 2018 09:28:01 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2018 : 10:18:15
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Version 1803, OS Build 17134.112.
Anything being logged in the Event Viewer for why it's stopping?
And something else to try: I've seen times that software just would not install from a CD, but worked perfectly well if copied to the hard drive and then installed. Just make a folder, copy everything from the CD to that folder, and then try the setup files.
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2018 : 17:52:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Version 1803, OS Build 17134.112.
Anything being logged in the Event Viewer for why it's stopping?
And something else to try: I've seen times that software just would not install from a CD, but worked perfectly well if copied to the hard drive and then installed. Just make a folder, copy everything from the CD to that folder, and then try the setup files.
 the same version i use also....
from where i see the the Event Viewer???
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2018 : 22:27:04
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You can search for it under Settings, or go into the Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Event Viewer. Look in Application, under the Windows Logs. There's going to be a metric buttload of stuff in there, so you may want to try the install, then immediately go into the Viewer to see if it gives more info about the failure.
Also, try my other suggestion of copying everything from the CD to a local folder on the computer and running it from there. Worst case scenario, you get the same error and have to delete the folder.
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 10 Jul 2018 22:28:14 |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 Jul 2018 : 01:04:22
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Try creating a launch shortcut for the old game, right-click on it and enable Compatibility Mode (for Win9x, WinXP, VGA 640x480, whatever works). Win7/8/10 all contain an embedded WinXP VM which is supposed to automatically kick in (with minimal user configuration) whenever needed.
If the game uses a 3D engine then you might need to install the DirectX 9.0c runtime (because DX10 onwards have replaced some important old components with new ways of doing things, but Microsoft helpfully caused no issues with installing DX9.0c on a DX12/Win10 machine). Or you can try DxWnd (which is far more powerful and versatile in getting old games to run on new systems, but it can also be far more complicated).
If the game is native to MS-DOS or Win95 and is limited to x86 (16-/32-bit etc), then DOSBox can always get it running, though some tinkering can be required for best emulation. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jul 2018 : 03:28:44
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
The simplest solution is to build a virtual XP Machine for stuff like that. I recommend virtual box. Its free and easy to do. You can download XP virtual disks for that from many places online for free as well.
Simplest compared to installed wine in Linux? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2018 : 04:15:24
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
The simplest solution is to build a virtual XP Machine for stuff like that. I recommend virtual box. Its free and easy to do. You can download XP virtual disks for that from many places online for free as well.
Simplest compared to installed wine in Linux?
Considering that not everyone knows Linux and its many distros, and that we're talking about installing a program intended for Windows-based computers on an existing Windows computer, then yes, it would be easier than installing wine on the Linux box he likely does not have. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2018 : 04:30:15
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Yeah, was talking for his windows 10 machine. He'd also need the compatibility pack if memory serves, but that should bypass all his problems.
I've found that even those programs that are backward compatible with Win 8 and 10 still sometimes have issues, so this is my go to solution. I have a WinXP virtual box premade for any time I want to do it. Also a dosBox for even older things (can't break myself of my Zork and Oregon Trail fixations :) )
I've tried to do the same with a Hackintosh but have failed. Beyond my abilities I'm afraid. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2018 : 04:47:55
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quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Yeah, was talking for his windows 10 machine. He'd also need the compatibility pack if memory serves, but that should bypass all his problems.
I've found that even those programs that are backward compatible with Win 8 and 10 still sometimes have issues, so this is my go to solution. I have a WinXP virtual box premade for any time I want to do it. Also a dosBox for even older things (can't break myself of my Zork and Oregon Trail fixations :) )
I don't know if they're still out there, but I know that several years ago, I found standalone executable versions of the Zork games, freely downloadable from the original company. Those should still be parked on my NAS somewhere, but I'm not sure where -- I'm something of a digital packrat. 
Edit: Okay, my bad, not standalone executables, but still, simple downloads from Infocom. It doesn't seem to want to run on 64 bit Windows, though... Have to fiddle with that in my not-so-copious spare time. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 11 Jul 2018 04:56:01 |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
523 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2018 : 05:06:32
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| If you have an abundance of old software I would suggest running a virtual machine with something like Windows XP. Make sure to disable its access to the internet for security reasons. This way you know your software will always run as intended going forwards. That is how I actually run the interactive atlas since I bailed one windows long ago. |
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Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good. |
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enchantedworld
Acolyte
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Posted - 12 Oct 2023 : 13:10:49
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| If all else fails, you could try downloading the installer again from a trusted source, just to make sure you have a clean copy. Sometimes, a corrupted installer can cause installation problems. I hope this helps you get AD&D up and running on your Windows 10 PC! |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2024 : 15:35:22
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(continues to watch the horror comedy with morbid curiosity)
"Mice got pricked, wept, but did not stop eating the cactus" indeed.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Simplest compared to installed wine in Linux?
Considering that not everyone knows Linux and its many distros, and that we're talking about installing a program intended for Windows-based computers on an existing Windows computer, then yes, it would be easier than installing wine on the Linux box he likely does not have.
Asking people who know or simply searching internet is not for "everyone", indeed. Just for the people with common sense.
Besides, the nu-Windoze for most part is just a horribly mangled, less user-friendly clone of Linux anyway (after they ran into the ground NT, which was their mangled clone of VMS).
If you don't know which distro to try... IDK, try Xubuntu? It has user-friendly features added by default, neither bare-bones nor overloaded with bells & whistles. Also, instead of Unity (contortion from Apple fanboys) dropped on mainline Ubuntu, the default desktop environment is XFCE. If you like a thin wide "application menu + taskbar + indicators" panel like in Windoze and a silly application tray (like on tablets), that's default, keep them. It already works reasonably well for an user as much as familiar with Windoze 3 era WIMP interface.
But it's readily customizable and you could do cool things with it. Even just via right-click menus... script or messing with CSS and other config files allows really crazy stuff, of course. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2024 : 16:14:04
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In the years since my last response, I have discovered PCem.
It is basically the equivalent of owning 20-year old hardware. It will run things that Windows Compatibility Modes, WINE, DxWnd, and DOSBox won't run.
I mention it for future visitors who will be sent here by the search engines. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2024 : 00:01:22
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
Were you able to get the core rules running using PCem.
Have you tried the FR interactive atlas. Can you install the patches easily using it.
I've also installed this, without issue, on Win10. |
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nblanton
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2024 : 03:15:43
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I’ve got FRIA, CR2.0 including the *.hlp files, and the Dragon Magazine Archive working on my Surface Pro 7 on Win11.
The only one that required any fiddling with was getting the *.hlp working. The three updates for FRIA were not as straightforward as it would seem, but I got them.
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Gary Dallison
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2024 : 04:21:25
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
Would you be willing to share some instructions on it.
I managed to get it working on windows 10 without a cd rom a few years back but it was a lot of work and the software i used to mount a folder as a fake cdrom to install the patches doesnt work on windows 11.
That seems like a lot of work... The last several systems I've installed the software on, I just went to a folder on my hard drive, where I'd copied everything from the CD, and just ran it from there. It's worked for me with the Core Rules and the Interactive Atlas. |
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nblanton
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2024 : 05:17:28
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For basic Core Rules 2.0, you will need to either have the physical CD or mount an image of the disc in a virtual drive.
That’s not really hard at all to do.
The only thing complicated whatsoever is getting the hlp files to work. |
It is the spirit of the game, not the letter of the rules, which is important. Never hold to the letter written, nor allow some barracks room lawyer to force quotations from the rule book upon you, if it goes against the obvious intent of the game.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2024 : 14:14:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison
Were you able to get the core rules running using PCem.
Have you tried the FR interactive atlas. Can you install the patches easily using it.
I've also installed this, without issue, on Win10.
same, and maybe windows 11 too (need to look at my other box to confirm that). That being said, I do also have campaign cartographer installed on both as well, and with that program you can also open the maps. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2024 : 21:10:00
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| All of my ancient software runs on PCem. Most of it without any finicky tweaking and twiddling. Click, run, enjoy. It just works. |
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AD&D Core Rules v2.00 CD and Windows 10
