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moonbeast
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Posted - 30 Jun 2018 :  21:16:17  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
What the hell is it? It looks like a new category of Waterdhavian coin. That is how it is portrayed in Dragon Heist, with at least one artwork of Jarlaxle (??) throwing the damn coins around like he was some Faerunian billionaire.

But even in the OFFICIAL Lords of Waterdeep boardgame (canon material), the coin tokens used in that game does not have anything shaped like this new coin. This coin has what seems to be an "hourglass" shape (kinda like a stylized black widow hourglass shape).

Here is a link to the image, last used on Jeremy Crawford's Twitter feeds, which has the D&D logo in the center:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgpK47RU0AAy3MG.png


Here is the actual coin "portrayed" in Dragon Heist cover art, where Billionaire Jarlaxle and other Waterdeep nobles are surrounded by the prolific coins:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfDGfxGUwAECCwQ.jpg

Edited by - moonbeast on 30 Jun 2018 21:21:46

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The one question might be is it Waterdhavian? Other cities and counties have their own coins.

If is gold, silver, or other real metal there is value recognized for them. It might be Drow, eyc.

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And here is yet ANOTHER promotional banner art where (on left) Jarlaxle is jingling this hourglass-shaped coin with one hand. It's like he's a very very bored villain. Or something.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dey77tkV4AYGEjq.jpg
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I'm curious about the hooded Thanos wannabe.

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The hooded Thanos wannabe is a clone of Manshoon.
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Posted - 01 Jul 2018 :  05:25:43  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's a gold piece from Zhentil Keep known as a "glory" or "weeping wolf". Might be a hint as to where Jarlaxle's allegiances lie.

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George nailed it. I searched for Zhent currency, and indeed there is an official WotC illustration of the (gold) coin, the Zhent Weeping Wolf.

Here is the image link:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/6/61/Currency-5e.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161220171146


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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm curious about the hooded Thanos wannabe.



I'm curious about the third butterfly.... I suspect its a shapechanged wizard

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And maybe the goldfish (Xanathar's pet) is an unfortunate polymorphed Young Gold Dragon?
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Except that they're not embossed with the weeping wolf on the cover image, but rather with a dragon.

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How many times in the last hundred years has our own currency changed what's pictured on it, yet kept the same basic shape. If you don't look at the image of the coin in Jarlaxle's hand in this, but instead look at the coin images at the bottom corner.... the right side coin on each COULD be a wolf sitting on its butt howling. The other side... no clue, its like some weird blur... it could maybe be a face.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dey77tkV4AYGEjq.jpg

Oh, and the goldfish is not a polymorphed young gold dragon, because Xanathar is staring at it with his central eye open.

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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Oh, and the goldfish is not a polymorphed young gold dragon, because Xanathar is staring at it with his central eye open.



Maybe lunch or just a pet? *wink*
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

How many times in the last hundred years has our own currency changed what's pictured on it, yet kept the same basic shape. If you don't look at the image of the coin in Jarlaxle's hand in this, but instead look at the coin images at the bottom corner.... the right side coin on each COULD be a wolf sitting on its butt howling. The other side... no clue, its like some weird blur... it could maybe be a face.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dey77tkV4AYGEjq.jpg

Oh, and the goldfish is not a polymorphed young gold dragon, because Xanathar is staring at it with his central eye open.



Maybe the fishbowl is some exotic material that prevents magic (and beholder eyebeams) from passing thru it.

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Posted - 03 Jul 2018 :  15:49:52  Show Profile Send ElfBane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

It's a gold piece from Zhentil Keep known as a "glory" or "weeping wolf". Might be a hint as to where Jarlaxle's allegiances lie.

-- George Krashos


Hmmm, aren't the Zhentil Keep folks pretty much LE? Jarlaxle strikes me as NE on normal days, and approaching CN on days he wants to knock the Llolth crowd down a notch or five.
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quote:
Originally posted by ElfBane

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

It's a gold piece from Zhentil Keep known as a "glory" or "weeping wolf". Might be a hint as to where Jarlaxle's allegiances lie.

-- George Krashos


Hmmm, aren't the Zhentil Keep folks pretty much LE? Jarlaxle strikes me as NE on normal days, and approaching CN on days he wants to knock the Llolth crowd down a notch or five.



Coin is coin, especially for someone like Jarlaxle who is willing to make use of others.

And alignment isn't a factor for membership, and even less so for citizenship. I seem to recall a Harper that lived in Zhentil Keep, not long after the Time of Troubles.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 03 Jul 2018 17:21:35
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According to the WotC videos about the Xanathar products, the goldfish is just a goldfish, and it's Xanathar's most prized possession. Perhaps this fact is one of the indicators of Xanathar not being entirely right in the head (do you even call that thing a head when it's also the beholder's body?), but the goldfish isn't even the same goldfish. Xanathar's followers have had to take great pains in replacing it when the previous one passes without Xanathar's knowledge, for they fear that if he ever finds out that his pet goldfish died, shit would hit the fan.
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#1. This is one very dead Halfling rogue/thief. Trying to steal the Xanathar's pet goldfish is beyond brave….

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NanqvM6aOxQ/maxresdefault.jpg


#2. Official D&D Merchandise baubles are coming….. that Waterdeep hour-glass shaped coin will be embossed with…. things other than a wolf. See sceeenshots below (from Twitter). Hell, I might want to buy one of these coins, but first I'd like to know a bit more background on this Waterdeepian currency.


Oops sorry. Waterdhavian.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeyU8rXVQAE-xhX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeyU8rWUEAAQp8B.jpg

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeyU8rXVQAE-xhX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeyU8rWUEAAQp8B.jpg





Okay, unless those coins are like $20 a piece, I'm going to be buying at least a couple of them -- those are cool.

I made a point of buying these because of their resemblance to Waterdhavian currency:

http://www.fantasycoin.com/Water-Helm_c_61.html

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 07 Jul 2018 16:06:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by ElfBane

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

It's a gold piece from Zhentil Keep known as a "glory" or "weeping wolf". Might be a hint as to where Jarlaxle's allegiances lie.

-- George Krashos


Hmmm, aren't the Zhentil Keep folks pretty much LE? Jarlaxle strikes me as NE on normal days, and approaching CN on days he wants to knock the Llolth crowd down a notch or five.



Coin is coin, especially for someone like Jarlaxle who is willing to make use of others.

And alignment isn't a factor for membership, and even less so for citizenship. I seem to recall a Harper that lived in Zhentil Keep, not long after the Time of Troubles.


Similarly, Allegiance and Alignment are not the same thing. Zhents range many alignments. Most drow are CE, but that's certainly not universal.
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Posted - 08 Jul 2018 :  01:00:13  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

#1. This is one very dead Halfling rogue/thief. Trying to steal the Xanathar's pet goldfish is beyond brave….

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NanqvM6aOxQ/maxresdefault.jpg


#2. Official D&D Merchandise baubles are coming….. that Waterdeep hour-glass shaped coin will be embossed with…. things other than a wolf. See sceeenshots below (from Twitter). Hell, I might want to buy one of these coins, but first I'd like to know a bit more background on this Waterdeepian currency.


Oops sorry. Waterdhavian.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeyU8rXVQAE-xhX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeyU8rWUEAAQp8B.jpg





Ah, that's a much clearer picture. It confirms its a dragon... with tentacles like an illithid?

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It looks like a brass dragon... Don't some dragons have like tendrils hanging from their chins?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

It looks like a brass dragon... Don't some dragons have like tendrils hanging from their chins?



Yes. D&D gold dragons are sometimes portrayed this way…. I remember, since I collect all the published D&D illustrations (so that I could show my players the creatures they encounter).

https://www.aidedd.org/dnd/images/dragonGold.jpg


Also the Kara-Tur lung dragons are portrayed having long tendrils/whiskers.
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Ah, good call. I didn't think to look at the illustrations of golds.

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It seems that this coin will be part of the (expensive!) Platinum Edition of Waterdeep Dragon Heist. Not just the coins, but also some metallic faction "badges". The pictures coming out of GenCon confirms all this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjsSeKyUcAAc78I.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjmKdKrUwAIcpmq.jpg:large
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quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

It seems that this coin will be part of the (expensive!) Platinum Edition of Waterdeep Dragon Heist. Not just the coins, but also some metallic faction "badges". The pictures coming out of GenCon confirms all this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjsSeKyUcAAc78I.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjmKdKrUwAIcpmq.jpg:large



That Waterdeep badge is beautiful... The rest, meh.

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What's the ring….. which faction? Wonder Twin Powers?
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Lords Alliance?

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I'm guessing Waterdeep is the Lord's Alliance. The others are the Zhents, Emerald Enclave, and the Harpers, so I'm guessing the ring is the Iron Gauntlet by process of elimination unless, they are not depicting all of the trinkets, in which case the Waterdeep badge could be its own thing, and the ring could be the Lord's Alliance as Brimstone suggests.
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I Looked the Symbols up in Rise of Tiamat. Order of the Gauntlet is missing. The Ring is upside down. It's Lords Alliance.


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Yes, I also checked the faction symbols as they were presented in the AL books (Adventurers League). You are right, the ring is the Lords Alliance, since the Lords Alliance symbol is that of a crown. The Order of the Gauntlet symbol is…. predictably, a gauntlet clutching a sword.

Edited by - moonbeast on 07 Aug 2018 02:27:41
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The coin is definitely a coin, and it's called a gold(en) dragon. A bunch of us held it in-hand at the convention. It's weighty and wonderful.

Remember, for the lore-minded, that:
-Waterdeep calls gold pieces "dragons"
-In previous editions, Waterdeep did not mint its own gold coins, having more than enough from other sources
-They were ruled for a couple of centuries by the wizard Ahghairon

There's no reason, following the rise of Laeral as Open Lord, that the city couldn't have started minting its own gold coins, with Ahgairon on the face. It's what I might do, given the opportunity...
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