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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 18 Jan 2018 : 20:25:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Just don't do a Codpiece of Winter. That would be... problematic.
"I'm telling you, it's because of this artifact!"
So shrinkage is the curse? I’ll take the Bag of Devouring and stick my hand in it instead tyvm. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2018 : 21:04:04
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I can see how that could theoretically lead to the creation of an 'Ice Queen'. 
I'm just now seeing (because of the stuff I had to look up earlier) that Silvanus is now in charge of 'the furies'. I like that - it makes sense to me. Especially since we KNOW at least one of them is Fey (Auril), and there is a VERY good chance Umberlee is as well (while looking for Auril's name, I came across some stuff in the Frostmaiden article that doesn't mention Umberlee by name, but definitely hints that she is right there - as a fey power - as well). Malar could easily be folded into the 'fey' as a primal hunter aspect.
And I am liking less and less having to refer to gods by (mortal) 'race' names. There really isn't such a thing as 'fey Gods' they Are NOT fey - the pre-existed the Fey. Same goes for most of the others all (the mutispheric ones, at any rate).
I would say their really should have been just three main groups at the beginning (and I am using the term 'groups' very loosely). The 'good' gods, which would be asscoiated with light (Selûne, Pelor, etc), the Seldairne, who should be more about 'balance' and nature,and the 'ebil Gods'.
But as I said, that's an extremely loose interpretation. Many of the neutral gods would be leaning toward 'good', if for no other reason than to help counter the evil gods. I think the Gray Lords broke-off from the Seldarine early on, possibly right after the Dawn War (so 'true neutral' from neutral good). Also, a lot of the evil gods never work together, even though it would benefit them. However, a good chunk of them are directly related to the elder Evil Eye and its many incarnations, so there's that. In fact, the more I think about it, the more i think that 'Seldarine' is just an elven term for the original Estelar, and then as time went on, they 'pruned' certain gods from their pantheon.
So basically, I'm just back to saying that pantheons themselves are a mortal fabrication, and meaningless on a cosmic level. Like companies, special interest groups, and politicians - each situation is different, and who is siding with who depends on the agenda of each individual at that time, on that one particular subject. Thus, different aspects of the same archtypes could be staunch allies on most things, and bitter enemies on a couple of others. There really is no 'this is how it always is', except in the minds of mortals, because they need that reassurance (otherwise, their own existence is nothing more than as a pawn in a cosmic game.. which it is). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2018 : 02:12:19
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Originally posted by Markustay
And why the hell doesn't the Wiki contain Auril's REAL NAME under her entry? Thats the third time in 2 days I've gone to the wiki for a piece of directly related information and the Wiki was sorely lacking (like not having the actual meaning of the word 'Drow' under the drow entry, for example). For awhile there I was really starting to find it useful, but now I'm back to not being able to find the crunchy stuff I need.
For the 100th time, can someone once-again tell me her name? I couldn't even find it in Brian's article on the Frostmaiden (which is pretty weird - where else could it be?) this time I will WRITE IT DOWN, I promise. 
However, I did find something else not related (I think) in the Wiki entry - the folk of the Great Glacier call her Saukuruk - isn't that oddly close to 'Sarrukh'? 
Aurilandur.... its in the article on Sarifal, that's why you couldn't find it. |
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Fineva
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 : 06:42:36
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You are all wonderful! I'm so glad I asked here, the insights...!
Here's another one, the dragon masks were to be assembled to help free Tiamat. She then eats their owners. As much as this seems wrong, did the masks make them her chosen (for digestion)? There are other areas where chosen didn't fit the god/goddess choosing them, Auril being one above.
(The "Chowsen?")
http://slyflourish.com/running_rise_of_tiamat.html
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2018 : 09:03:00
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Originally posted by Bakra
The second reveal is in the right hands it can bring a global winter.
The Ring has always had this legendary power. In one source it says that doing this would exhaust the ring and it would be destroyed. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2018 : 09:05:57
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Originally posted by sleyvas
However, I did find something else not related (I think) in the Wiki entry - the folk of the Great Glacier call her Saukuruk - isn't that oddly close to 'Sarrukh'?
Nah - go read the great glacier book, basically every word sounds kinda like that. I think it was an attempt at making a guttural language. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 : 18:50:20
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
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Originally posted by Bakra
The second reveal is in the right hands it can bring a global winter.
The Ring has always had this legendary power. In one source it says that doing this would exhaust the ring and it would be destroyed.
Yes I know. I thought some people were questioning about whether or not the 5E version could still do this; because it appears to be underpowered compared to the previous version. Even in the ‘other properties’ description from ToA it was considered a rumor. The new lore trumps the old lore..etc…etc..the ring can only be used for good, now it is chaotic evil. |
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(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2018 : 19:16:17
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I would say that that 'power' can only manifest if someone had all the artifacts of the Regalia of Winter, and had to be of at least demi-power status (so a Chosen COULD do it, if they got their hands on the other Winter items).
There really should be a scepter of some kind. I like scepters. Then we can just say Auril always had the scepter. Lets see, Ring of Winter, Ice Necklace, Frost Crown... Snow Scepter? Sounds a bit silly. Not really 'menacing', know what I mean? Snowflake Scepter sounds MUCH worse. I don't even want to GO THERE. 
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'Hoar Scepter' sounds like a different kind of item entirely. 
'Rime Scepter' sounds cool (and menacing), but its really just the same word as 'frost'.
Speaking of Hoar, I wouldn't mind saying Auril and him have something going on in 5e. Maybe he is helping to 'redeem' her (he's not really about 'being good' either, so it makes some sense). Maybe its just me, but I always thought having a character named 'Hoar' and NOT connecting him to cold was such a waste. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2018 : 20:29:25
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Originally posted by Markustay
I would say that that 'power' can only manifest if someone had all the artifacts of the Regalia of Winter, and had to be of at least demi-power status (so a Chosen COULD do it, if they got their hands on the other Winter items).
To me its more interesting if activation of this kind of power requires some action. A huge quests that makes everything come together just right.
One of the (very few) things I liked about the Blackstaff novel was they had a major magical effect that required everything to be just right and took literally centuries of precise planning and manipulation.
There was a book some time back that kind of touched on this idea (badly, but you know) calling such things Legacy items. Special actions are required to allow the item to realize its potential.
Presumably, all the precise planning and such has been done by Auril. She just needs the ring-wearer to fulfill the proper actions to set it all into motion. |
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