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zezia
Acolyte
Canada
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2017 : 19:31:14
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In the Cult of the Dragon book it states Alustriel possibly had a daughter with a Witch of Rashemen:
"The Sorority of the Silver Fire was founded in the Year of
Bright Nights (985 DR) by the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia
Ledora, said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand, and
Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran."
Is this even possible even for a Chosen?
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2017 : 20:12:20
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Never assume a Chosen's gender... which is malleable.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2017 : 20:34:15
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Originally posted by zezia
In the Cult of the Dragon book it states Alustriel possibly had a daughter with a Witch of Rashemen:
"The Sorority of the Silver Fire was founded in the Year of
Bright Nights (985 DR) by the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia
Ledora, said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand, and
Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran."
Is this even possible even for a Chosen?
Interesting find.
It doesn't say that Alustriel was the man, nor does it say Yhelfana isn't a hermaphrodite (which in and of itself would open up some interesting questions). Plus, noone has ever said that polymorph magic makes one sterile with certainty. That being said, it very well could also be something like Cassana and Alias. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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Starshade
Learned Scribe
Norway
279 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2017 : 21:57:38
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| I assume someone made an mistake, and thought Alustriel was a guy? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 00:40:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Starshade
I assume someone made an mistake, and thought Alustriel was a guy?
Absolutely not. This was done on purpose for exactly this reason. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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BadCatMan
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 01:52:03
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Uh. Look at the commas and look at full passage:
"The Sorority of the Silver Fire was founded in the Year of Bright Nights (985 DR) by the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia Ledora, said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand, and Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran. In the decade prior to their first meeting, the two incantatrixes independently confronted the enduring legacy of Sammaster's madness in the form of powerful dracoliches which sought to ravage their homelands: Everlund and Rashemen, respectively. Both women felt compelled to track down the source of this blasphemous contamination of the Weave, a trek which led them to Sembia and the secret temples of the Keepers of the Secret Hoard."
It's pretty clear that the Sorority was founded by Fetitia Ledora and Yhelfanna the Masked together.
The statement "said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand" is just a parenthetical statement enclosed by commas. Read it instead as "the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia Ledora (said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand) and Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran." |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 03:10:50
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Well gee, you're no fun at all.
And my internet search of 'lesbian witches' had turned up such wonderful research material, too.  |
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BadCatMan
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 03:38:51
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I hold out more hope for the Ladies of Elversult.  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 03:43:31
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BadCatMan is right. Always important to check those commas. As I recall the info on the Sorority was first featured in Eric Boyd's incantatrix 2E article in Polyhedron.
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BadCatMan
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 04:01:51
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Yeah, not checking the punctuation is what brought us the Cult of the Dragon in the first place.  |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 08:35:38
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Seems pretty straightforward. Alustriel and an elven male had a daughter.
My only comment is that if any gender-changing magic was involved then it would need sufficient duration to last throughout the conception, the "mother's" pregnancy, and perhaps a while longer (6-12 months) to nurse the infant.
I've seen much speculation about elven gestation period, ranging from the same as humans (~40 weeks) to as high as 18-24 months (or more), although 10-10½ months seems to be the most widely accepted figure. And this daughter would be half-elven, and the "mother's" human or elven biology could assert precedence before birth. I can't recall any specific mention of elven pregnancy in D&D or Realms canon.
But wouldn't Realmslore have made better note of Alustriel having a child? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 14:25:01
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quote:
Originally posted by BadCatMan
Uh. Look at the commas and look at full passage:
"The Sorority of the Silver Fire was founded in the Year of Bright Nights (985 DR) by the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia Ledora, said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand, and Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran. In the decade prior to their first meeting, the two incantatrixes independently confronted the enduring legacy of Sammaster's madness in the form of powerful dracoliches which sought to ravage their homelands: Everlund and Rashemen, respectively. Both women felt compelled to track down the source of this blasphemous contamination of the Weave, a trek which led them to Sembia and the secret temples of the Keepers of the Secret Hoard."
It's pretty clear that the Sorority was founded by Fetitia Ledora and Yhelfanna the Masked together.
The statement "said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand" is just a parenthetical statement enclosed by commas. Read it instead as "the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia Ledora (said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand) and Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran."
Awww, that's not as fun. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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zezia
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 15:24:56
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| Your right BadCatMan thx for pointing that out :D |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 : 16:46:02
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quote:
Originally posted by zezia
In the Cult of the Dragon book it states Alustriel possibly had a daughter with a Witch of Rashemen:
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Is this even possible even for a Chosen?
Why not?
Mystra not only turned Elminster to Elmara, but later gave him a no-somatic-components spell to repeat the trick ("El in Myth Drannor").
Without extra requirements, it's no more complex than a fireball - Zagig's Gender Shift is a 3rd level spell. 
Of course, to make a little half-elf, one of them would have to turn into an elf. Which is presumably much harder to do "completely", but higher-level polymorphs allow to transform oneself even into a dragon or fiend, so turning into an elf certainly should be possible.
There's just no obvious reason why she would actually do so. And if she did, could at least take a pseudonym.
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Originally posted by BadCatMan
Uh. Look at the commas and look at full passage:
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Originally posted by BadCatMan
Yeah, not checking the punctuation is what brought us the Cult of the Dragon in the first place.
(after looking at an article on the names used as verbs) "Sammastered" it? |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Mar 2020 : 05:55:56
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Senior Scribe BadCatMan,
Oxford of AP comma? There can only be one!
Best regards,
quote:
Originally posted by BadCatMan
Uh. Look at the commas and look at full passage:
"The Sorority of the Silver Fire was founded in the Year of Bright Nights (985 DR) by the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia Ledora, said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand, and Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran. In the decade prior to their first meeting, the two incantatrixes independently confronted the enduring legacy of Sammaster's madness in the form of powerful dracoliches which sought to ravage their homelands: Everlund and Rashemen, respectively. Both women felt compelled to track down the source of this blasphemous contamination of the Weave, a trek which led them to Sembia and the secret temples of the Keepers of the Secret Hoard."
It's pretty clear that the Sorority was founded by Fetitia Ledora and Yhelfanna the Masked together.
The statement "said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand" is just a parenthetical statement enclosed by commas. Read it instead as "the half-elven incantatrix Fetitia Ledora (said to be the daughter of Alustriel Silverhand) and Yhelfanna the Masked, a Rashemaar witch of the Hathran."
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Alustriel had a daughter with another female?
