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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 16 Sep 2017 : 14:56:54
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Been doing ... stuff. Is there anyone out there who thinks that they could create a version of the city maps found in the Forgotten Realms Adventures hardcover for some new cities? I'd be willing to pay naturally, either in $, realmslore or secrets of the Realms, or a combination of all three! PM if you think you can help or know someone who can. Cheers.
-- George Krashos
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2017 : 15:39:17
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Funny that you should mention this.
I'm currently at work doing a small city/large town right near Impiltur (one thats not been heard of before). Of course, I was planning on running the lore by you before I did anything with it.
Anyhow, what do you have in mind? I can do at least one. (I just checked that source, and those are pretty easy - way less detail then what I am doing right now.) |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Gary Dallison
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 16 Sep 2017 : 16:58:56
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2017 : 02:56:04
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Originally posted by Markustay
Funny that you should mention this.
I'm currently at work doing a small city/large town right near Impiltur (one thats not been heard of before). Of course, I was planning on running the lore by you before I did anything with it.
Anyhow, what do you have in mind? I can do at least one. (I just checked that source, and those are pretty easy - way less detail then what I am doing right now.)
I had another, different task in mind for you so I'll drop you a PM.:)
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2017 : 15:25:11
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There may be a way of taking both our projects, combining them, and turning them into something else. How's Eric doing? Still busy with the new job? Its been like a year, right? All we need right now is an 'adventure guy' to string it all together.
EDIT: New Idea
You're probably not going to like this (I have a feeling you're more adverse to 'change' than I am), but what if Impiltur loses Lyrabar? If its not the capital anymore, why not run with that (because although I am happy the geography is 'restored', I find the whole "everything is as it was" thing patently ridiculous!)
I know your first reaction is going to be "no friggin way" (do they say 'friggin' in Oz?), but hear me out - I never liked Lyrabar. Its not a personal thing - I just found it weird that the only Impiltur city OUTSIDE of Impiltur is the capital. YES, I know its technically within Impiltur, but geographically, it makes little sense - there is a 'pinch point' there with the mountains and coast that separates The Vast from Impiltur, and Lyrabar is on the far side of that. In your new 'North vs South' Impiltur, why not cut it free (this has happened elsewhere in the Realms now)? Maybe its just become 'more trouble than its worth' (since the Spellplague, and the capital no longer being there, its population has fallen off, and maybe its even become a haven for pirates and other illicit activities).
THEN (6e?), you can have a 'return of the king' scenario somewhere down the line, where he (or she) wants to restore the former capital, which most parties would be dead-set against. In fact, you could even have an heir living in the city already, under an alias.
And at the end of the day, is anyone going to really care if the Vast gains one more 'independent citystate'? At least this one will have an interesting history (YES, I know all about Raven's Bluff), and a certain political intrigue going on that the others are missing (a city of 'factions'). Whereas the rest of a 'restored Impiltur' may look at Lyrabar as a 'thorn in their paw' at this point, a returned monarch may decide to 'embrace the thorn', for better or worse (giving us some very cool RPG possibilities there).
One last thing - if the place has 'fallen', and their economy is now heavily based on illicit activity, the government (a returning King) may have to 'walk on eggs' for awhile, because restoring 'Law & Order' could completely tank the place, financially. That would be a tightrope-walk right there (and now that I am thinking fully about this, I think I just gave Impiltur its own version of Marsember... with a twist). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2017 : 17:19:37
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LMAO - I just came back here, because I was going to delete my 'edit', but since you've responded to it, I can't. 
I'm still going to move it to the other thread, where its more appropriate, but I'll leave that there, above.
As for 'take him to the dark side' (I'm not even going to make so many jokes right now LMAO), here's the thing (the position I AM IN with the maps, and lore) - even if I do a map 'from the past', I have to take into account future lore, whether I want to or not. I can't just create 'the Grand Palace of the Poobahs" if 5e never heard of any such thing (fortunately, most of the setting is still lore-light, so that hasn't been a problem... much). I have an idea on how to 'save' Lyrabar for 5e, but I have to tweak the past to make it work (and thus-far, I haven't found anything to disagree with what I am thinking so its more of a 'new lore unearthed' kind of thing; NO retcons). In fact, its something I had considered for Sembia, so I am borrowing one of my own ideas (extending it, really).
I have no intention of steering Krash into 'the future' (really, the PRESENT). I just need to keep track of where stuff was (and the altitudes of said terrain), to know how to handle it moving forward. This is something thats never really been done before (pretty poorly in LEoF and GHotR) - knowing what the geography looked like at a certain point in time (because more than just the forests have been changing, for tens of thousands of years). Every single desert - including the Zakharan ones - weren't there originally. AFAIK, only the ones in Maztica are 'natural' (and since I don't know Maz. lore all that well, I could be wrong there). Thats the kind of stuff I have to keep track of - so many continuity gaffs find their way into settings because of that lack. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2017 : 17:25:12
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My project is set pre-Spellplague so Lyrabar stays as is. Everyone else can play with post-Sundering Impiltur - I'm not there yet in many ways, least of all my headspace.
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2017 : 05:37:50
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Almost done with Sarshel... only ** more to go... 
The regional one will be easy-peasy. I already have something for that.
I only did Sarshel 1st because I had that map from Zeromaru to work from (reverse-engineer, LOL). The only thing I'm worried about is that Sarshel is a minor settlement, and I made it look pretty damn good. Now I have to 'top that' with the bigger cities.
I decided I want to do a city where the buildings spell out something, but the only thing that makes sense would be 'praise be to Io' (ya know, so that the Dragons will leave you alone during the next 'Rage').  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 20 Sep 2017 : 09:58:11
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Originally posted by Markustay
Almost done with Sarshel... only ** more to go...
The regional one will be easy-peasy. I already have something for that.
I only did Sarshel 1st because I had that map from Zeromaru to work form (reverse-engineer, LOL). The only thing I'm worried about is that Sarshel is a minor settlement, and I made it look pretty damn good. Now I have to 'top that' with the bigger cities.
I decided I want to do a city where the buildings spell out something, but the only thing that makes sense would be 'praise be to Io' (ya know, so that the Dragons will leave you alone during the next 'Rage').
I hope you read my city description! Bugger the LFR map - that's basic, no-lore stuff. And I wouldn't describe Sarshel as a minor settlement. It's a decent sized city. Still, excited to see what you come up with.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 20 Sep 2017 : 13:05:00
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| You know Markustay, I need to give you some props.... your discussions on water flow and flagrant map f'ups made me realize one thing a couple weeks back. For what I was doing in Katashaka, I had made the northern most part a savannah. Then I made some cliffs to separate the savannah from the heavily jungled area. My dumb arse put the jungles on the top of those cliffs, because I thought it would look nicer...... yeah, water goes downhill.... jungles thrive on water... savannahs are low water.... needless to say, I'm turning those cliffs around. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2017 : 15:10:36
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Thanks. I think even if a person doesn't really know how ecosystems work, a map that is 'wrong' will stick 'feel' wrong to that person on an instinctual level. This is part of the reason why I fell in love with FR - I looked at the maps, and thought, "there are REASONS for this".
I STILL find Anauroch jarring, even though I now know the reasons. Its just so honkin' big, and like, "what the heck is THAT doing there?"
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Markustay
Almost done with Sarshel... only ** more to go...
The regional one will be easy-peasy. I already have something for that.
I only did Sarshel 1st because I had that map from Zeromaru to work form (reverse-engineer, LOL). The only thing I'm worried about is that Sarshel is a minor settlement, and I made it look pretty damn good. Now I have to 'top that' with the bigger cities.
I decided I want to do a city where the buildings spell out something, but the only thing that makes sense would be 'praise be to Io' (ya know, so that the Dragons will leave you alone during the next 'Rage').
I hope you read my city description! Bugger the LFR map - that's basic, no-lore stuff. And I wouldn't describe Sarshel as a minor settlement. It's a decent sized city. Still, excited to see what you come up with.
-- George Krashos
City... description? 
WHAT city description? You sent me something?
On the other hand, i think you'll still find it... Sarshelicious.  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 21 Sep 2017 : 00:16:04
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Have sent the stuff through again. Hopefully it lobs up this time. I wondered why you hadn't responded ...
And apologies in advance. It's going to make you change your Sarshel map. A lot.
-- George Krashos |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2017 : 03:42:05
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Have sent the stuff through again. Hopefully it lobs up this time. I wondered why you hadn't responded ...
And apologies in advance. It's going to make you change your Sarshel map. A lot.
-- George Krashos
Given Markus's love of playing with maps, I'm inclined to think he won't mind at all -- and will likely thank you for it. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 21 Sep 2017 : 17:15:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Given Markus's love of playing with maps, I'm inclined to think he won't mind at all -- and will likely thank you for it.
There's love and there's painful FR writers/designers that want everything done "right". I'm not sure Mark will thank me, but I'm certainly going to thank him.
-- George Krashos |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2017 : 06:57:56
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When its cities, we don't call it "making changes to the map", we call it "urban renewal".
I don't know if what I have is what you pictured, but everything in your notes is there now, plus a whole lot more. As for the thanking - its everyone else (who loves FR) who should be thanking me for giving you a TON of new places you're going to have to name and make lore for.
Unfortunately, it more than doubled in size (why does just about every settlement 'on the map' have to turn into a damn city?), so I have a LOT more buildings to draw now. The original town/city map I was doing turned into the 'Old City'. I had to knock some buildings down for the wall, so now it has a 'lived in' look to it.
I'm surprised you didn't want me to do Bay Town - it sounds like a very interesting place.
And as for 'painful', I've already worked with the best in that regard. When I worked with Ed it was like, "sure, have fun, knock yourself out". I just sent him stuff an he was like, "Cool, cool...". Now, with Eric, he was like, "can you move the city a little closer to the river"? There is only one pixel separating them. "Well, can we we move it into that pixel?" Then it will be IN the river. "So we can't even move it a little bit?" No, not without increasing the PPI (resolution), and that would mean starting all over. "So it can't be moved?" No... there's no such thing as a 'half pixel'. LOL
That was a REAL conversation. What that taught me was that no matter what resolution I think I'll need, INCREASE IT.
And it was worth every minute - the man is a lore-churning monster. I have a feeling you are some where between those two gentlemen, GK. |
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Accipiter
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Dec 2020 : 07:36:24
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Hello!
I know this is a reply to a three year old post, but I'm having an amazing time running my players through some self-written adventures in and around Impiltur. One year gone, many more to come, I hope!
Anyway, I saw a reference to town maps for Sarshel, Lyrabar and (one can hope) others in the thread, and was hoping I could have a copy for the use of my group (no commercial intent at all).
Thank you in advance, for all the great work you do, whether that's possible or not. :) |
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Returnip
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Dec 2020 : 17:59:47
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
spellplague
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Spellplague
On the subject of spellplague the diviner Yaphyll had a vision of the event:
"The white queen is troubled but can't say why. The black queen hates the white and gives the assassin a black coat. The assassin steals upon the white queen. She can't see him gliding through the shadows. The sword screams. The white queen falls. Her city falls. Stones fall in the cavern to crush the soothsayer. The tree burns and thrashes in agony. Branches break. Branches twist and grow together..."
If that's not a use of "Rocks fall, everyone dies" I don't know what is. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 10 Dec 2020 : 22:16:48
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Originally posted by Accipiter
Hello!
I know this is a reply to a three year old post, but I'm having an amazing time running my players through some self-written adventures in and around Impiltur. One year gone, many more to come, I hope!
Anyway, I saw a reference to town maps for Sarshel, Lyrabar and (one can hope) others in the thread, and was hoping I could have a copy for the use of my group (no commercial intent at all).
Thank you in advance, for all the great work you do, whether that's possible or not. :)
Hi Accipiter. While the city maps for the main cities of Impiltur exist, they are mine and I paid real $$ for them. They are intended for use in a forthcoming project (don't hold you breath - it's #3 in the project cue) and so they will remain safely ensconced on my HD for the moment.
-- George Krashos |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Dec 2020 : 23:04:15
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Accipiter
Hello!
I know this is a reply to a three year old post, but I'm having an amazing time running my players through some self-written adventures in and around Impiltur. One year gone, many more to come, I hope!
Anyway, I saw a reference to town maps for Sarshel, Lyrabar and (one can hope) others in the thread, and was hoping I could have a copy for the use of my group (no commercial intent at all).
Thank you in advance, for all the great work you do, whether that's possible or not. :)
Hi Accipiter. While the city maps for the main cities of Impiltur exist, they are mine and I paid real $$ for them. They are intended for use in a forthcoming project (don't hold you breath - it's #3 in the project cue) and so they will remain safely ensconced on my HD for the moment.
-- George Krashos
And hopefully backed up somewhere else, considering how oft I've heard FR designers mention something lost on old hard drives. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Dec 2020 : 02:42:53
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Seeker Returnip,
Excellent quote. I believe there was a diviner by the name of Elzarr of the Crimson Eye (a Zulkir of Divination from the 12th century) who said:
There will be a wretch of failure. A wizard with a title of.... "vice-president of marketing"... or some such term. He will rule during an infamous time. In the Year of Failing Games (2007DR), a fool of the Court of Wizards will make grave mistakes and cause to be a great Rage of Fans to burn the countryside and cause Sembian merchants to recoil in fear at the loss of revenue.
...or it should have happened anyhow. ;)
Perhaps it did...
Ask some Leirans... whatever that means....
Best regards,
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Dec 2020 : 10:18:09
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| I'll keep a copy safe for you Krash! |
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
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Returnip
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Dec 2020 : 11:08:02
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Seeker Returnip,
Excellent quote. I believe there was a diviner by the name of Elzarr of the Crimson Eye (a Zulkir of Divination from the 12th century) who said:
There will be a wretch of failure. A wizard with a title of.... "vice-president of marketing"... or some such term. He will rule during an infamous time. In the Year of Failing Games (2007DR), a fool of the Court of Wizards will make grave mistakes and cause to be a great Rage of Fans to burn the countryside and cause Sembian merchants to recoil in fear at the loss of revenue.
...or it should have happened anyhow. ;)
Perhaps it did...
Ask some Leirans... whatever that means....
Best regards,
Very nice I feel like a lot of bad decisions were made, but life is too short to dwell. I'm just hugging my 2nd/3.x stuff tightly. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Dec 2020 : 03:13:51
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Seeker Returnip,
Agreed. I will never let go of my Realms material. It's worth a ton these days!
Best regards,
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2020 : 14:27:34
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I'll keep a copy safe for you Krash!
I bet you would.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Accipiter
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Dec 2020 : 19:14:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Accipiter
Hello!
I know this is a reply to a three year old post, but I'm having an amazing time running my players through some self-written adventures in and around Impiltur. One year gone, many more to come, I hope!
Anyway, I saw a reference to town maps for Sarshel, Lyrabar and (one can hope) others in the thread, and was hoping I could have a copy for the use of my group (no commercial intent at all).
Thank you in advance, for all the great work you do, whether that's possible or not. :)
Hi Accipiter. While the city maps for the main cities of Impiltur exist, they are mine and I paid real $$ for them. They are intended for use in a forthcoming project (don't hold you breath - it's #3 in the project cue) and so they will remain safely ensconced on my HD for the moment.
-- George Krashos
And hopefully backed up somewhere else, considering how oft I've heard FR designers mention something lost on old hard drives.
Sounds good! I figured that, were the project cancelled or the maps a private fan enterprise, they were perhaps accessible. As it stands, I'll just have to look forward to something happening with that project in time, so we can all enjoy it.
Good luck with the queue! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2020 : 00:07:03
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Markustay didn't end up doing the maps. He did a draft version for Sarshel and then kind of drifted away. A talented local here in Australia did them and they are, I have to say, excellent. Two more to go - Bay Town and Laviguer - and then they are done.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Accipiter
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Dec 2020 : 21:25:34
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| Sounds like a product I'll be very interested in, once it's done! Please keep us informed. I take it you are planning on DM's Guild to publish it? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2020 : 03:10:03
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Originally posted by Accipiter
Sounds like a product I'll be very interested in, once it's done! Please keep us informed. I take it you are planning on DM's Guild to publish it?
Yes, if I have the years.
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Forgotten Realms Adventures City Maps
