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                 hymer 
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                       Posted - 21 Apr 2017 :  17:15:06
                        
                 
                        
                        
                      
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                       Obviously, the man should be able to deal with just about any language via all the various magic and spells at his disposal (or bypass the problem entirely), but which languages has he learned?
  My only FC stats are from 3.0, and they don't mention what languages he can speak on his own. It's obviously not a big deal, but my idle curiosity won't sit still just for that reason.
  Any wise thoguhts, clever observations, or outright stats?
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                       Posted - 21 Apr 2017 :  17:43:16
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       The 3rd edition Races of Faerun got some lists of ethnic groups of humans and lands they are found. From there, Moonsea region is dominated by Vaasans, With 15% damaran and 8% chondatan.  Most likely he is of one of those groups, and would then by the rules know, most likely damaran and common if he's vaasan or damaran. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 21 Apr 2017 :  17:55:51
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  Good thinking. He also sports a 14 Int, which should net him two bonus languages.So he may know more. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 21 Apr 2017 :  20:02:20
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       Apparently Damaran is the regional tongue around the Moonsea. Beholder language makes a lot of sense, though they would speak Undercommon too, I expect.
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                       Posted - 22 Apr 2017 :  03:52:51
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  It doesn't say he's a native, but The Ruins of Zhentil Keep says that Fzoul was the only son of a minor noble in Zhentil Keep. So he was either born and raised in Zhentil Keep or someplace nearby. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 22 Apr 2017 :  04:46:25
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  Given his interests I'd throw in Abyssal and Infernal.  In third edition, I'd even have him spend some skill points to get Thorass, Draconic, undercommon, orc, goblin, elven, and giant. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 23 Apr 2017 :  04:31:38
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  What language is the Common Tongue based on?  Chondathan? Or some other human dialect? | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 23 Apr 2017 :  05:34:17
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       Page 84 of the 3E FRCS:
   quote: Common grew from a kind of pidgin Chondathan and is most closely related to that language, but it is far simpler and less expressive. Nuances of speech, naming, and phrasing are better conveyed in the older, more mature languages, since Common is little more than a trade language.
  
  Of course, with everything that's been done to the setting since 3E, it's now quite possible that Common has been retconned into a French dialect.   | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 23 Apr 2017 :  15:20:37
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
  Page 84 of the 3E FRCS:
   quote: Common grew from a kind of pidgin Chondathan and is most closely related to that language, but it is far simpler and less expressive. Nuances of speech, naming, and phrasing are better conveyed in the older, more mature languages, since Common is little more than a trade language.
  
  Of course, with everything that's been done to the setting since 3E, it's now quite possible that Common has been retconned into a French dialect.  
 
   I found the "mature Languages" part interesting. Is common some shallow creole With few native speakers? or an "European Swahili", a Language not belonging to one nation, but related to all (and easily learnt? I sort of don't buy the "common is simpler" explantation, it usually would mean noone speak it natively, and noone write songs, books or raise children as speakers of it.  I'd assume it's there to make players pick up human Languages too, not just hop into "Elven, Gnome, Orc, Giant and Infernal" as usual? | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 23 Apr 2017 :  15:27:59
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  Surprised neither Villain's Lorebook (2E) nor the 3E FRCS say it, but they don't. That said, he traveled extensively between the Western Heartlands, the Dales, Vilhon Reach, and Moonsea, so using 3.5E PGtF, he should have Damaran (native), Chondathan, and Common for sure. Beyond that, it's up in the air, he probably knows Deep Speech (language of Beholders and other aberrations which he hated and death tyrants which he made), but I wouldn't think he would need more than that and it works for his Int 14 (in both 2E and 3E). And all that said, he was elevated to a demigod in 4E, so he probably knows all languages now. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 23 Apr 2017 :  21:09:13
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  That sounds very plausible. Are Undercommon and Deep Speech different languages? | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 23 Apr 2017 :  22:25:43
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  Yes, Undercommon is an trade language used underground, same way Common is used on the surface. | 
                     
                    
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                      |  Fzoul is a Demigod (exarch) now, since 4e so he speak all of them. | 
                     
                    
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