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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 13:08:01
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You would think with a new adventure out people would be talking about it. I haven't seen much about it to be honest. I have seen they brought the Tressym back.
Anyone have the adventure?
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1624 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 13:36:03
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Nope, I have no interest in buying the adventures until we have a proper FRCG,it putting the cart before the horse as far I'm concerned. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6361 Posts |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
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KanzenAU
Senior Scribe
Australia
763 Posts |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3805 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 16:42:10
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I've just checked WotC's site. It comes out on the 6th of September, so it isn't out yet. I've heard that Ed had a hand in this, so I might pick it up, to see if there's any good lore. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 27 Aug 2016 16:43:20 |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1624 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 19:55:09
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quote: Originally posted by dazzlerdal
Its 5e so its on my embargo list. It contains no lore so i dont want it
From what I understand it contains alot of lore, its very sandboxy from what I've heard. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6361 Posts |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3805 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 22:24:50
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quote: Originally posted by Gyor
quote: Originally posted by dazzlerdal
Its 5e so its on my embargo list. It contains no lore so i dont want it
From what I understand it contains alot of lore, its very sandboxy from what I've heard.
I hope that's true, and if Ed's involved then it should be. However, PotA was sandboxy and had very little lore. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2016 : 04:25:46
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I get really, really tired of seeing new products dismissed and called useless before they're even out. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2016 : 15:38:45
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Just because some supplements were crap doesn't mean they all will be -- if you base future performance solely on past performance, then everything Realms should be awesome, because there was a lot of really awesome stuff in 2E.
What I find irksome is prejudging something without even bothering to look at it. With your stated attitude towards this and almost any other new Realms material, this could be the most awesome supplement written in the history of ever, and you'd still pan it without ever looking at it.
If you look at it and then decide to say it's crap, fine, no problem. But when people are looking for informed opinions and you go spouting off "I don't need to look at it to know it sucks!" that's not offering an informed opinion, and it's not helping anyone else out. It's just kneejerk and pointless negativity for the sake of negativity. It's something we saw all too much of when the edition wars were raging and people couldn't discuss what they liked without someone coming in to tell them how wrong they were.
We don't need that kind of negativity. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6361 Posts |
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KanzenAU
Senior Scribe
Australia
763 Posts |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 14:31:53
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quote: Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I think 4 previous adventures is enough to see which way the wind blows. They might make decent adventures, but they make rubbish realms supplements.
Ummm, WotC never promised that those (last 4) supplements were marketed as "lore books". They are adventures. First and foremost, they are adventure campaigns. If they also contain a bit of lore, then that's a plus. Don't hate on the adventure books for doing what they are supposed to do…. BE adventure books.
I understand that you are disappointed there is little in the way of LORE supplements so far (SCAG being the first in 5e). But don't dump on all the adventure books for being adventure books. At least one of them, Curse of Strahd released earlier this year, has gotten very positive reviews. I have the damn thing, and it has very solid production values. It even contains a POSTER MAP of the awesome Castle Ravenloft, which is a huge bonus.
For all your negativity, do you even bother to fill out those MONTHLY survey/feedback that WotC has been doing? They have been doing this for months, the purpose is to see what content Players want with future 5th Edition books. What classes need work or revision. What sub-classes (like prestige classes) would you like to see in future supplement. What new feats would you like to see introduced (re-introduced), etc. I think one of the first Surveys (well over a year ago) asked which of the Campaign Settings we would like to see supplements for? Forgotten Realms versus Eberron vs Greyhawk vs Whatever. You can bet that I voted on that poll!
At the end of every survey, there is a Comment box and you can write in exactly what else you would like that the month's Survey did not cover.
I have been participating in such Survey, rather than stewing in negativity.
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 20:58:08
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So "no one is discussing SKT" because it just doesn't look interesting, promising, or relevant, lol? It seems few (if any) of us are interested in 5E, in products which lack Realmslore (let alone in products which contain "bad" or offensive Realmslore), or in being buying more disappointments from Wizbro.
Too little, too late, too much, too often, and too many alternatives. No longer interested whether Ed is involved or not. It's a wonder Wizbro hasn't figured it out yet, lol. |
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eeorey
Seeker
Bulgaria
96 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 21:29:58
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quote: Originally posted by Ayrik
So "no one is discussing SKT" because it just doesn't look interesting, promising, or relevant, lol? It seems few (if any) of us are interested in 5E, in products which lack Realmslore (let alone in products which contain "bad" or offensive Realmslore), or in being buying more disappointments from Wizbro.
Too little, too late, too much, too often, and too many alternatives. No longer interested whether Ed is involved or not. It's a wonder Wizbro hasn't figured it out yet, lol.
It honestly surprised me how little I cared, and that makes me a little sad. A part of me really hopes that after it's out I'll open up this page and see everybody saying how surprisingly amazing it is and how it answers so many questions, how it's what's been missing. But the rest of me know that this part of me is full of... well, like I said I'm now a little sad. At least I'm looking forward to "The Devil you know", hopefully next year's going to be better than this one. |
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 21:32:27
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quote: Originally posted by moonbeast
quote: Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I think 4 previous adventures is enough to see which way the wind blows. They might make decent adventures, but they make rubbish realms supplements.
Ummm, WotC never promised that those (last 4) supplements were marketed as "lore books". They are adventures. First and foremost, they are adventure campaigns. If they also contain a bit of lore, then that's a plus. Don't hate on the adventure books for doing what they are supposed to do…. BE adventure books.
I understand that you are disappointed there is little in the way of LORE supplements so far (SCAG being the first in 5e). But don't dump on all the adventure books for being adventure books. At least one of them, Curse of Strahd released earlier this year, has gotten very positive reviews. I have the damn thing, and it has very solid production values. It even contains a POSTER MAP of the awesome Castle Ravenloft, which is a huge bonus.
For all your negativity, do you even bother to fill out those MONTHLY survey/feedback that WotC has been doing? They have been doing this for months, the purpose is to see what content Players want with future 5th Edition books. What classes need work or revision. What sub-classes (like prestige classes) would you like to see in future supplement. What new feats would you like to see introduced (re-introduced), etc. I think one of the first Surveys (well over a year ago) asked which of the Campaign Settings we would like to see supplements for? Forgotten Realms versus Eberron vs Greyhawk vs Whatever. You can bet that I voted on that poll!
At the end of every survey, there is a Comment box and you can write in exactly what else you would like that the month's Survey did not cover.
I have been participating in such Survey, rather than stewing in negativity.
I hope you realize the survey's mean nothing. They are just a marketing tool that creates the illusion that the people are voting for what they want. Since there is no physical way we can ever know what the true results are we have to take a mega corps word for it. Bright, shiny, and high production do not equal good when it comes to adventures. I own them all as well and I can tell you they are mediocre at best.
The problem is Chris Perkins. He is not as good as he thinks he is and keeps coming out with these adventures that seem good to new gamers because they don't really know any different. I get tired of the "negativity" word getting thrown around everytime you don't want to take that step off the cliff like the other sheep. Change happens when people voice the things they don't like. If you like the new stuff then off you go. I personally do not so I will voice my opinion however I feel I need to and I say the same for others.
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“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!” #8213; J.R.R. Tolkien
*I endorse everything Dark Wizard says*. |
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KanzenAU
Senior Scribe
Australia
763 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 22:15:04
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quote:
The problem is Chris Perkins. He is not as good as he thinks he is and keeps coming out with these adventures that seem good to new gamers because they don't really know any different. I get tired of the "negativity" word getting thrown around everytime you don't want to take that step off the cliff like the other sheep. Change happens when people voice the things they don't like. If you like the new stuff then off you go. I personally do not so I will voice my opinion however I feel I need to and I say the same for others.
I get tired of all the positivity for crap products.
Curse of Strahd won a Gold Ennie for best adventure, and was almost entirely Perkins written... |
Regional maps for Waterdeep, Triboar, Ardeep Forest, and Cormyr on DM's Guild, plus a campaign sized map for the North |
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deserk
Learned Scribe
Norway
238 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 23:03:06
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I gotta say it really sucks how FR is in a state of purgatory where hardly anything save for a little adventure book gets published once a year, especially when compared with how much content Paizo publishes for it's Golarion setting |
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 23:58:53
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quote: Originally posted by KanzenAU
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The problem is Chris Perkins. He is not as good as he thinks he is and keeps coming out with these adventures that seem good to new gamers because they don't really know any different. I get tired of the "negativity" word getting thrown around everytime you don't want to take that step off the cliff like the other sheep. Change happens when people voice the things they don't like. If you like the new stuff then off you go. I personally do not so I will voice my opinion however I feel I need to and I say the same for others.
I get tired of all the positivity for crap products.
Curse of Strahd won a Gold Ennie for best adventure, and was almost entirely Perkins written...
Well let's look at a few things.
1: Ennies don't set the gold standard.
2: It was mostly done by Weis and Hickman.
3: It was the newest adventure out.
4: What exactly was it up against? ( Not much) |
“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!” #8213; J.R.R. Tolkien
*I endorse everything Dark Wizard says*. |
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KanzenAU
Senior Scribe
Australia
763 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 00:51:16
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Fair enough if you played it and didn't like it. I haven't so I can't really say. I've only heard good things except from you though. I'm pretty sure Perkins wrote the whole thing with some broad stroke consulting from Hickman. The other three 5e adventures were all outsourced as far as I'm aware, and people liked Curse of Strahd the most.
All that said it sounds like you have good reasons for being so upset. There are definitely quite a few people on this forum that share your views, and are disappointed with everything being put out. All I can say is that I'm really enjoying play at the table, and so are my friends. We do have to mine past products for good FR lore though, which is unfortunate. I'm hopeful that SKT will include a bit more than usual, but we'll just have to see! |
Regional maps for Waterdeep, Triboar, Ardeep Forest, and Cormyr on DM's Guild, plus a campaign sized map for the North |
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Immortalis
Acolyte
28 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 11:44:39
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I hate to say it but purgatory sounds like keeping hold of the rights with minimum of work. Ive seen lots of places that if FR products are released the it revors back to Mr Greenwood. It may explain why the setting is used in the core books but doesnt really say much on the realms.
Sorry for any derailment, not wanting to troll just my 2cp |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1624 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 14:46:14
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I don't have it. But I do hear its pretty lore intensive when it comes to the North. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1624 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 14:50:42
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quote: Originally posted by moonbeast
quote: Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I think 4 previous adventures is enough to see which way the wind blows. They might make decent adventures, but they make rubbish realms supplements.
Ummm, WotC never promised that those (last 4) supplements were marketed as "lore books". They are adventures. First and foremost, they are adventure campaigns. If they also contain a bit of lore, then that's a plus. Don't hate on the adventure books for doing what they are supposed to do…. BE adventure books.
I understand that you are disappointed there is little in the way of LORE supplements so far (SCAG being the first in 5e). But don't dump on all the adventure books for being adventure books. At least one of them, Curse of Strahd released earlier this year, has gotten very positive reviews. I have the damn thing, and it has very solid production values. It even contains a POSTER MAP of the awesome Castle Ravenloft, which is a huge bonus.
For all your negativity, do you even bother to fill out those MONTHLY survey/feedback that WotC has been doing? They have been doing this for months, the purpose is to see what content Players want with future 5th Edition books. What classes need work or revision. What sub-classes (like prestige classes) would you like to see in future supplement. What new feats would you like to see introduced (re-introduced), etc. I think one of the first Surveys (well over a year ago) asked which of the Campaign Settings we would like to see supplements for? Forgotten Realms versus Eberron vs Greyhawk vs Whatever. You can bet that I voted on that poll!
At the end of every survey, there is a Comment box and you can write in exactly what else you would like that the month's Survey did not cover.
I have been participating in such Survey, rather than stewing in negativity.
I've heard a detailed description of the book and it sounds extremely detailed. |
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Lilianviaten
Senior Scribe
489 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 16:29:03
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quote: Originally posted by Shadowsoul
You would think with a new adventure out people would be talking about it. I haven't seen much about it to be honest. I have seen they brought the Tressym back.
Anyone have the adventure?
I have not, but just storyline wise, it stood out as odd to me to use giants now. I think they should have started with the giants, and saved Out of the Abyss for later. Once you have defeated demon princes and rampaging dragons, giants are pretty anti-climactic. |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
317 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 16:34:50
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quote: Originally posted by KanzenAU
Not out here yet, looking forward to it!
According to Amazon it will be released on 6 Sep 16.
Just waiting for it to ship to me!
John |
Long live Alias and Dragonbait! Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb the Realms need you more then ever!
On my word as a sage nothing within these pages is false, but not all of it may prove to be true. - Elminster of Shadowdale
The Old Grey Box gets better with age! |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
317 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 17:31:55
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Just because some supplements were crap doesn't mean they all will be -- if you base future performance solely on past performance, then everything Realms should be awesome, because there was a lot of really awesome stuff in 2E.
What I find irksome is prejudging something without even bothering to look at it. With your stated attitude towards this and almost any other new Realms material, this could be the most awesome supplement written in the history of ever, and you'd still pan it without ever looking at it.
If you look at it and then decide to say it's crap, fine, no problem. But when people are looking for informed opinions and you go spouting off "I don't need to look at it to know it sucks!" that's not offering an informed opinion, and it's not helping anyone else out. It's just kneejerk and pointless negativity for the sake of negativity. It's something we saw all too much of when the edition wars were raging and people couldn't discuss what they liked without someone coming in to tell them how wrong they were.
We don't need that kind of negativity.
AMEN! And Ed has his hand in the pot too, Traces origins back to the earliest days of the Realms. Greenwood created the villain.
John |
Long live Alias and Dragonbait! Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb the Realms need you more then ever!
On my word as a sage nothing within these pages is false, but not all of it may prove to be true. - Elminster of Shadowdale
The Old Grey Box gets better with age! |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 21:31:46
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It ships Sep 6 from Amazon, so that's tomorrow. I pre-ordered mine. I seem to be in good company, as several others here have already done so. |
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 22:36:23
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Got SKT yesterday, and put a pre-order in for Volo's Guide to Monsters when it comes out in November. |
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