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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 24 Aug 2016 : 19:54:47
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Back in the 2e Old Empires book, the Mulhorand Gods had both a Manifestation and Incarnations. They could have multiple Incarnations, but 1 Manifestation.
A Manifestation was basically an Avatar of the God, in fact treated as the God, but tied to the Material plane, it was the Gods link to the Realms because they're full essence was blocked by Imaskari magic, and it powered the incarnations.
Incarnations were basically reincarnating Chosen, they were powerful mortals that shared a limited amount of the Manifestations power and personality, but were at least partly they're own person still.
Sometime after the Orcgate Wars the Manifestation grew tired or something, and became very inactive, said to be slumbering.
Then the Time of Troubles happen, the Incarnations were put in a coma during it, and the Manifestation became briefly more active, after which the Manifestation merged with their greater selves on the outer planes, and removed the power of the Incarnations.
Then the Spellplague hits, nuking Mulhorand, scattering most of its surviving population, and allowing the Imaskari to take over.
The Mulhorand Gods are MIA for this time period.
Flash forward over a hundred years and the Mulhorandi Gods are back. They're incarnations, they're Chosen, have with the help of Nezram the World Walker, have retaken their homeland from the Imaskar.
But where are their Manifestations? To have Chosen, someone has to do the Chosing.
Are they hidden away for now?
Are they back in the Planes communicating with they're Chosen/Incarnations?
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Mirtek
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2016 : 23:30:27
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Originally posted by Gyor
But where are their Manifestations? To have Chosen, someone has to do the Chosing.
Are they hidden away for now?
Are they back in the Planes communicating with they're Chosen/Incarnations?
I guess since the barrier has been lifted and they merged again with the rest of their divine self on the planes, they no longer exist. The mulhorandi pantheon can now act like normal deities and has no more need to maintain manifestations. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Aug 2016 : 01:53:38
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Good point, so the Mulhorandi Gods are in the Planes and the Incarnations, are basically just a special kind of Chosen, that happens to be worshipped as the God in Mortal form. Now that I think about it, that does fit Erin M. Evans depiction of Enlil's Incarnation.
I'm hoping this gets explored more in her next novel. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 25 Aug 2016 : 13:20:49
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| One big thing to note too is that the incarnations were chosen only from select bloodlines. One could wonder if at some point the beings that began fathering these incarnations didn't at one time house the avatar of the god, and thus they periodically birthed someone who could act as a vessel for said deity. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Aug 2016 : 17:46:56
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Originally posted by sleyvas
One big thing to note too is that the incarnations were chosen only from select bloodlines. One could wonder if at some point the beings that began fathering these incarnations didn't at one time house the avatar of the god, and thus they periodically birthed someone who could act as a vessel for said deity.
I think the Manifestations Fathered/Mothered the bloodlines themselves with various mortals.
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Aug 2016 : 18:24:56
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| The Manifestations are different, they're like a very specialized Avatar for the Material Plane, they're not reincarnating between mortal bodies like Incarnations are. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 28 Aug 2016 : 01:20:48
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| I think the 2e Powers and Panheons deals with the manifestation and incarnation issue. I'm not sure, but I think the Time of Troubles changes the way the Mulhorandi deities show up in the Realms - and they start having more "regular" avatars... |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Aug 2016 : 21:08:42
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| Yes, but in 5e Incarnations are back, but my point is is that there has to be a God somewhere in the cosmos sustaining the Incarnation. |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 14:44:53
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Originally posted by Gyor
Yes, but in 5e Incarnations are back, but my point is is that there has to be a God somewhere in the cosmos sustaining the Incarnation.
Why? |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 14:35:28
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor
Yes, but in 5e Incarnations are back, but my point is is that there has to be a God somewhere in the cosmos sustaining the Incarnation.
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Because that is how the Chosen work. |
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Where are the Mulhorandi Manifestations?
