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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 04:37:38
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| Elaine? thought it happened in the Lady Penitant books... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 05:33:19
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Elaine? thought it happened in the Lady Penitant books...
Nope. The change to 3E got rid of all the issues of drow magic items not working on the surface. Elaine had Liriel go on her quest with the Windwalker Amulet so that Liriel could retain her drow abilities on the surface -- and it was more powerful than Liriel expected. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 10:02:12
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| I think he meant the farzress no longer being considered a ''natural'' radiation, and becoming something that the elves created to maked the drow addcited to it (literally) and trap them underground. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 12:38:21
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Originally posted by Irennan
I think he meant the farzress no longer being considered a ''natural'' radiation, and becoming something that the elves created to maked the drow addcited to it (literally) and trap them underground.
Yes - and it was what caused the drow to live underground. And then they high magiced that away so now there is nothing keeping them down there but stupidity :P |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 13:14:18
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
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Originally posted by Irennan
I think he meant the farzress no longer being considered a ''natural'' radiation, and becoming something that the elves created to maked the drow addcited to it (literally) and trap them underground.
Yes - and it was what caused the drow to live underground. And then they high magiced that away so now there is nothing keeping them down there but stupidity :P
They high magic-ed it away only for the followers of Eilistraee (as far as I understand). Then they proceeded to absolutely ignore it (and everything that happened or was revealed in those books) anyway, like it never happened or existed. Which is for the better, as far as I'm concerned (unless they actually decided to fix the other random BS that they decided to attach to the drow and their gods). |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 21:40:35
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| Ah, yes the books about Drownip. LOL |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 22:26:29
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| I was not aware of the addiction to faerzress... I now have another reason to avoid that trilogy. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 22:29:12
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| It's not like the series has any relevance now, anyway. Everything in those books has basically been retconned (for all practical purposes), since the results have been reverted, and the events have been *fully* ignored by WotC. |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
769 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2016 : 07:27:01
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
And yet another scroll from Shadowsoul to complain and bash the current Realms.
It's justified IMO. |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
769 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2016 : 07:29:10
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Originally posted by Brimstone
A few years back folks were complaining about too many novels, and how they were ruining the Realms with the weekly RSE. Now WotC isn't producing the volume of books, and it's not enough. Just goes to show, that WotC can't keep everyone happy.
I don't ever remember anyone ever complaining about a dearth of novels. More like they complained about the RSE's, which considering WoTC's reaction may have been a mistake. |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
246 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2016 : 15:18:31
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What most disappoints me about the 5e novels so far is that since the Sundering series, only three authors have had new novels published. I'm not saying those authors are bad, but I dearly miss the diversity of authors that came with a much greater number of novels being published per year. I understand why WotC wants to keep Salvatore writing two novels a year, but I do wish that WotC would rotate Greenwood and Evans with other authors like Erik Scott de Bie, Paul Kemp, Elaine Cunningham, Richard Lee Byers, Richard Baker, etc.
(Speaking of novels, does anyone know if Troy Denning's Dagger of Souls is still coming out in early September?) |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2016 : 19:23:45
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Originally posted by Caolin
[quote]Originally posted by Brimstone
I don't ever remember anyone ever complaining about a dearth of novels. More like they complained about the RSE's, which considering WoTC's reaction may have been a mistake.
Same. |
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BrianDavion
Seeker
71 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2016 : 05:38:27
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| One thing I'd like to see WOTC do, if publishing new novels aren't something they wanna dedicate to, get a website going to publish short and serial forgotten realms fiction online, I bet there's be a LOT of intreast both from fans and authors for that. I know for my part some of my favorite FR stories are short stories |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2016 : 14:19:55
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Originally posted by BrianDavion
One thing I'd like to see WOTC do, if publishing new novels aren't something they wanna dedicate to, get a website going to publish short and serial forgotten realms fiction online, I bet there's be a LOT of intreast both from fans and authors for that. I know for my part some of my favorite FR stories are short stories
That would be fun to see so long as they don't overcharge. Some of the prices on the Realms ebook novellas are bizarre. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2016 : 18:36:33
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I think the pricing for pretty much all their books is bizarre. Books that would have cost 20-15 dollars in TSR days are now 50... is it surprising to anyone that they can't sell nearly as many with that price structure? They completely eliminate the young market, who would much rather dedicate their 50 dollars to the latest video game release than on any book.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2016 : 21:00:01
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
I think the pricing for pretty much all their books is bizarre. Books that would have cost 20-15 dollars in TSR days are now 50... is it surprising to anyone that they can't sell nearly as many with that price structure? They completely eliminate the young market, who would much rather dedicate their 50 dollars to the latest video game release than on any book.
In their defense... TSR lost money on boxed sets and such at $20, and the current prices aren't too much higher than what other game companies are asking.
Today's $20 game books are softcover and 100 pages or so. |
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BrianDavion
Seeker
71 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2016 : 21:07:05
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
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Originally posted by BrianDavion
One thing I'd like to see WOTC do, if publishing new novels aren't something they wanna dedicate to, get a website going to publish short and serial forgotten realms fiction online, I bet there's be a LOT of intreast both from fans and authors for that. I know for my part some of my favorite FR stories are short stories
That would be fun to see so long as they don't overcharge. Some of the prices on the Realms ebook novellas are bizarre.
proably has to do with their dead tree prices. if a books only avaliable in hard cover they'll charge hard cover price for it |
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Merrith
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jun 2016 : 16:18:11
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For me, it's about variety. I know plenty of people are down on the current novels (and for some, it's simply the "in" thing to do as well), but I think a main contributor is that we are only getting books from 3 (4?) authors now.
I like Erin Evans series, and have always loved Salvatore and Greenwood's books (ups and downs included), but when that's the only thing on your dinner plate year after year, you miss some of the rest of the voices. It doesn't lessen my enjoyment of their books in the slightest, but the in between time I'm not as excited for a new novel because it's all the same routine. I need a little flavor with my meat and potatoes. If we had some Cunningham, some Kemp, some Baker, some Schend...my enjoyment overall of the Realms novels would increase because I'd have more excitement looking forward to more stories being told.
I will say I'm about 100 pages into Death Masks and really enjoying it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2016 : 17:12:14
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I, too, would love to see some more variety among authors.
I miss the days when every novel -- or at least the majority of them -- was introducing new characters and taking us to new corners of the Realms. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2016 : 20:58:32
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Originally posted by Merrith
I will say I'm about 100 pages into Death Masks and really enjoying it.
Got a copy today.
Will start reading it tonight when I get home from work... |
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will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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BrianDavion
Seeker
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Posted - 09 Jun 2016 : 22:54:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, too, would love to see some more variety among authors.
I miss the days when every novel -- or at least the majority of them -- was introducing new characters and taking us to new corners of the Realms.
me too but I can understand why WOTC wants to focus their novels on eistablished characters. RA Salvatore writes a novel about Drizzt, WOTC knows it'll sell, and Sell roughly X number of copies. but a novel about someone unknown... who can tell? it's why I kinda like the ideal of a online serial fiction site, maintinace could be reasonably cheap and it'd allow WOTC to publish greater varity for cheaper. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2016 : 23:15:23
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I understand them playing it safe... But every single novel character WotC and TSR have published, from the most popular to the most obscure, was new once.
They shouldn't be so risk-averse that they refuse to give us anything at all that's new. We'll never have another breakout new character, at this rate.
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BrianDavion
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Posted - 10 Jun 2016 : 08:42:58
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| ohh I agree, WOTC IMHO needs to do something with the Realms, new characters could allow them to explore new areas etc. not only do they need break out characters, but they need new break out writers. they can't rely on the same 2 or 3 authors exclusivly. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2016 : 16:09:31
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The better option would be for someone to realize WotC is a gaming company and let them act like it. From what I've seen and from unsubstantiated rumor, it seems that Hasbro doesn't understand that game companies and toy companies are not the same, and is trying to force WotC's square peg into a round hole.
It seems to me that someone higher up doesn't seem to realize that game companies have to keep producing new content in order to sell products. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2016 : 17:05:42
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Merrith
I will say I'm about 100 pages into Death Masks and really enjoying it.
Got a copy today.
Will start reading it tonight when I get home from work...
Started it too. |
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Gary Dallison
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BrianDavion
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Posted - 10 Jun 2016 : 21:27:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The better option would be for someone to realize WotC is a gaming company and let them act like it. From what I've seen and from unsubstantiated rumor, it seems that Hasbro doesn't understand that game companies and toy companies are not the same, and is trying to force WotC's square peg into a round hole.
It seems to me that someone higher up doesn't seem to realize that game companies have to keep producing new content in order to sell products.
yeah apparently WOTC's writers have been trying to explain this one ot Hasbro since 3rd edition apparently. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jun 2016 : 22:03:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, too, would love to see some more variety among authors.
I miss the days when every novel -- or at least the majority of them -- was introducing new characters and taking us to new corners of the Realms.
Yup. And then it ended with inviting a bunch of authors not giving a fig about the setting, and...
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Originally posted by BrianDavion
me too but I can understand why WOTC wants to focus their novels on eistablished characters. RA Salvatore writes a novel about Drizzt, WOTC knows it'll sell
For a while it was the other way around (Bzzt is one of obvious exceptions). It would probably be better to think in terms of the series.
In which case it's not as much "WOTC wants to focus", as "the stream dried up until all that's left are known, reliable cash cows"? |
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