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Joran Nobleheart
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 30 Jan 2016 : 03:20:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm not happy seeing someone at WotC say "one shouldn't get too hung up on canon." The continuity of the Realms was one of its strong points for a long time, and problems happened when that was discontinued.
I understand where you're coming from. I really do.
What would you think about Ed writing up a campaign guide on his home Realms for fans to see, download, and enjoy? |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 30 Jan 2016 : 04:46:22
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Originally posted by George Krashos
What is "canon" now with the advent of the DM's Guild? Some might say it remains only the "official" WotC released products. Others will say it is those products and anything written by Ed. Another group will say that canon includes anything by Elaine Cunningham, or Steven Schend, or Eric Boyd or Bob from Idaho who wrote that awesome piece on drow moonblade wielders. I think Chris Perkins has the right of it - just enjoy the Realms, play in it, create in it and have fun. Everyone should make their own "canon", cherrypick what they like and go for it. It's not like WotC are about to publish a FRCS 5E and invalidate anyone's work on anything - it's clear that's not what they intend to do with their stable of established campaign settings anymore. The Realms is about to see a huge proliferation of information, material and lore. Some or all of it will be "canon" to different individuals. That's just the way it is now.
-- George Krashos
Well, in that case it wouldn't make sense to talk about canon (aside from the only official reference being the Sword Coast guide), things would go down to people simply using what they prefer in their game, which has always been the case. But even assuming that WotC is never going to release anything 5e FR in the future, a defined canon would still be needed as a reference for novel writers.
Besides, if WotC doesn't put out any FR book, and Ed's books make up the only ''authority'' lore that is getting published, then my guess is that they will be acknowledged as the ''official state'' of the Realms, and a common starting point for those who want to work on it (even setting aside the clause in Ed's contract, which basically establishes that). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Jan 2016 : 04:57:41
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Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm not happy seeing someone at WotC say "one shouldn't get too hung up on canon." The continuity of the Realms was one of its strong points for a long time, and problems happened when that was discontinued.
I understand where you're coming from. I really do.
What would you think about Ed writing up a campaign guide on his home Realms for fans to see, download, and enjoy?
I would download that in a heartbeat, and prolly kill a tree or two printing it off.
I've not any issue with people picking and choosing what they like, or with creating their own material -- though not nearly as much as some, I've created some of my own material and shared it in these halls.
My stance in this particular case is that since the official FR canon comes from WotC, seeing someone from WotC saying "don't sweat canon!" is quite discouraging.
Though I'll readily admit that I did not take that statement in the context of enjoying DM's Guild material, and thus I was likely reading more into it than I should have. My bad, entirely. |
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Jan 2016 : 14:58:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm not happy seeing someone at WotC say "one shouldn't get too hung up on canon." The continuity of the Realms was one of its strong points for a long time, and problems happened when that was discontinued.
I understand where you're coming from. I really do.
What would you think about Ed writing up a campaign guide on his home Realms for fans to see, download, and enjoy?
I would download that in a heartbeat, and prolly kill a tree or two printing it off.
So would I!
And I'm late, but can't begin to describe how happy I'm at the news The Ed Greenwood Group is writting guides and adventures! |
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Feb 2016 : 16:59:13
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Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart
I actually wish Ed would release a book about his home campaign, or a guide to the home Realms. I honestly believe that it would be incredibly popular, and that many of us here would download it in a second. I know that I would, and all of the potential that it would hold would just be incredible.
Of course, that's just me and wishful thinking. :-)
You're right. We would. Even if it was just the notes from the players about all the different things he's said and questions he's answered. I'd be like publishing the "Ask Ed" threads but wit details and context. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Feb 2016 : 21:32:53
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| I swear, I'm gone from this site a week or two, and bam! Things happen and I'm late to the game. So Ed's writing for DMS guild will only be available through that site? In other words, no printed version? |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 03 Feb 2016 : 21:41:56
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I swear, I'm gone from this site a week or two, and bam! Things happen and I'm late to the game. So Ed's writing for DMS guild will only be available through that site? In other words, no printed version?
That's what happens when you don't get your Candlekeep fix
Yes, for now the plan seems to be that the books will only be available through the DMsguild. Ed and WotC might come to an agreement about distributing printed versions, though. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Feb 2016 : 21:52:35
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Lol I know.
I am all about saving trees, but at the same time, I like to have the printed version (I can only read things online for so long. I love going on the computer, but I am not one of those people that can read things online for hours and hours ). |
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Rivenhelm
Acolyte
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Posted - 23 Mar 2016 : 20:39:54
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Well, I'm late to the party as usual, but I'd also like to express my excitement for this news. Something many scribes have been secretly (and not so secretly) hoping for a long while.
I, for one, would like to see the long-awaited, much-anticipated, eagerly prayed-for, Eveningstar Mega-Module starter pack teased a few years back. I apologize to Damian for not throwing in my full throated support at the time, but I want to do so now. The DM's Guild offers such a great opportunity for such a project like this to see the light of day. It can be posted as a fully fledged Super-Module or it can be broken down into smaller mini-packs released in a series. The possibilities are truly endless now. And I actually really do like the old-school hand-drawn maps and art work. As a DM I like a mix of beauty and practicality in my maps, and nice hand-drawn maps serve both. The Ravenloft maps on DragonPlus posed a few weeks ago were a fine example! One of the neat little Easter eggs for me, in Elminster's Forgotten Realms, were the Hall of the Beast Tamers hand drawn dungeon maps. It finally showed us the Beast Tamers sigil, which was omitted from my copy of the Grey Box -- there was just a blank space where I think a piece of art was supposed to be inserted on page 49, description of Room 8, first paragraph halfway down. Ever since the Halls of Eveningstar came out I've always been trying to pull small nuggets from it. Like, is Rivior's coat of arms the pointed-down sword with the black star above it (I'm thinking, yes) in the Throne Room description, or is it just a decorative pattern?? I would love to see an expanded wilderness map with, the Halls, the Keep, and the village all depicted on the same map. Something that the original sorely lacked. The expanded levels of the Halls, the Caverns of the Claws, and fully fleshed out Village would be a super treat, and something I would definitely purchase even if printed out on Ed's old "elevated "T"" typewriter. George if you'd pass along to Ed my wholehearted support for such a project you've got yourself a Fosters, or six, on me!
Anyway sorry to be so late to ping this topic, but maybe it'll prompt some news.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Mar 2016 : 23:05:50
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Oh absolutely. Of course at GEN-CON 2007, Ed did give me a photocopy of the map for Level 2 of the Haunted Halls and Whisper's lair. Good times.  It does exist.
I owe him an e-mail this weekend and more lore badgering.
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Joran Nobleheart
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Mar 2016 : 03:29:25
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Oh absolutely. Of course at GEN-CON 2007, Ed did give me a photocopy of the map for Level 2 of the Haunted Halls and Whisper's lair. Good times. It does exist.
I owe him an e-mail this weekend and more lore badgering.
-- George Krashos
Now I'm jealous!  Is Whisper's lair the same level that was Rivior's? Or is it a separate dungeon entirely? |
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Rivenhelm
Acolyte
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Posted - 24 Mar 2016 : 16:39:01
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Oh yes George I absolutely remember! :-)
Was gonna mention the possibility of posting that little treasure to the Guild, but figured that was probably too near-and-dear to your your heart to part with so I didn't dare mention it. But...(insert hanging hopeful anticipation here)
Thanks George!! Pester away. I have faith!!
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Mar 2016 : 01:29:57
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Originally posted by Rymac
Now I'm jealous! Is Whisper's lair the same level that was Rivior's? Or is it a separate dungeon entirely?
The map is of "Whisper's Crypt. Lower Level of Haunted Halls".
The way 'up' says "up to Sub-Level 1, Haunted Halls, Room 6".
But when looking at the Ed's Haunted Halls map he gave me (which is identical to the one in FRQ1, only numbered differently and with one or two minor changes), room 6 is the room between 18 and 12 in the published adventure. There is no staircase down in that small room so I suspect that there is a sub-level between the ground-level Haunted Halls and Whisper's Crypt.
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 Mar 2016 : 01:44:25
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The map is of "Whisper's Crypt. Lower Level of Haunted Halls".
The way 'up' says "up to Sub-Level 1, Haunted Halls, Room 6".
But when looking at the Ed's Haunted Halls map he gave me (which is identical to the one in FRQ1, only numbered differently and with one or two minor changes), room 6 is the room between 18 and 12 in the published adventure. There is no staircase down in that small room so I suspect that there is a sub-level between the ground-level Haunted Halls and Whisper's Crypt.
-- George Krashos
Now that's interesting. Sounds like the Haunted Halls with all its sub-levels and such could fill a box set like the original Ruins of Undermountain. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Mar 2016 : 01:50:02
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If some people expanded on 5e, maybe it would actually become canon. And I would love to see things from Ed.
I would like to upload a story or something to the Guild, but I realize this isn't what WotC wants right now. Perhaps they're worried it would be fan fiction and there would be a huge influx of it. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Mar 2016 : 07:54:07
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Originally posted by George Krashos
What is "canon" now with the advent of the DM's Guild? Some might say it remains only the "official" WotC released products. Others will say it is those products and anything written by Ed. Another group will say that canon includes anything by Elaine Cunningham, or Steven Schend, or Eric Boyd or Bob from Idaho who wrote that awesome piece on drow moonblade wielders. I think Chris Perkins has the right of it - just enjoy the Realms, play in it, create in it and have fun. Everyone should make their own "canon", cherrypick what they like and go for it. It's not like WotC are about to publish a FRCS 5E and invalidate anyone's work on anything - it's clear that's not what they intend to do with their stable of established campaign settings anymore. The Realms is about to see a huge proliferation of information, material and lore. Some or all of it will be "canon" to different individuals. That's just the way it is now.
-- George Krashos
Could you please link to Bob from Idaho's piece on drow moonfighters. I cannot believe how quickly this sight has taken off. |
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Rivenhelm
Acolyte
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Posted - 25 Mar 2016 : 20:16:34
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Pretty darned cool about the subtle differences between those two versions of the maps George. It would be very interesting to note all the "unofficial" ways down to the lower levels of the Halls. I know they're hinted at in the printed version, but since the likelihood of ever playing with Ed as DM is so remote, seeing his vision for what my character might see on an exploration of the Halls would be very cool! Not to mention the fact that Ed as a module designer is extremely underrated and under published. All those little gems of detail that goes into his fiction and game products are cleverly hidden in the printed Halls. Expertly buried in the subtext of the concise but detailed room descriptions, very reminiscent of some of the classics such as Village of Hommet. It feels substantial. With a history where real action and adventure took place. Because it had. It is an import part of those classic modules too. Play testing. That and familiarity with the dynamic of PC interaction within the setting, all give a rich solid feel to it. But I really digress. Sorry, mini-rant done.
Thanks George for sharing. Looking forward to more news!
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Clegane
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Posted - 14 Apr 2016 : 02:51:40
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Apr 2016 : 04:41:23
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Ed is hard at work on a myriad of projects including his own publishing initiatives (Hellmaw and Pony Island being the first two projects - Pony Island being a placeholder name). He knows what areas/topics he wants to write about for FR in the DMs Guild and how he's going to go about it (i.e the format) but now has to lock in the logistics of actually doing it and getting the material ready for publishing. I'd expect something by year's end, but that's only supposition on my part.
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Adhriva
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Apr 2016 : 05:29:16
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| Do you happen to know what area he wants to write about? |
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Gary Dallison
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Apr 2016 : 16:28:49
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 16 Apr 2016 : 04:33:24
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Ed says a little more about things to come in the Onder Librum magazine on his new site and e-publishing venture.
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Adhriva
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Apr 2016 : 04:45:58
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I encourage everyone to check it out. It's a good read in and of itself.
It's seems the adventures of Mirt the Moneylender and [Volo?] will be going to some of the neglected places of the realms. |
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Rils
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 : 18:01:18
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| Just out of curiosity, has Ed put up anything on the DMGuild yet, or announced plans/timeframe to do so? The announcement in January was exciting, but it's roughly three months later now and I'm wondering if I've just missed something in the meantime... |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 : 18:07:37
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| I recall reading somewhere that the first book (Volo's guide-style) will come out towards the end of the year (Novemeber perhaps), but I'm going off memory, so I'm not sure. |
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Rivenhelm
Acolyte
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Posted - 22 Apr 2016 : 11:10:16
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I wanna say I saw that he was thinking of posting some Mirt stories somewhere around November. But I think I also saw "generous estimate" in there too. I wanna say I saw it on his Twitter feed.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Apr 2016 : 12:38:07
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I've spoken to Ed and the EGG's first FR releases for the DM's Guild are slated for the end of the year, everything going to plan. Can't wait!
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Ed is writing Realms for the DMGuild!
