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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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 Posted - 16 Jul 2015 : 21:32:13
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I'm currently reading Charon's Claw, so please don't give away anything that's explained later in the series, but is it ever mentioned HOW Entreri lost his jeweled dagger and became a slave to Alegni?
If the answer to any of these questions comes from previous books in the series then please tell me which book.
If the answer come LATER in the series then please just give me a "yes" or "no" answer.
Thanks!
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Tanthalas
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Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2015 : 01:55:50
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| Yes, you eventually get to know how Entreri became Alegni's slave and I also think the same happens with the dagger (though my memory is fuzzy concerning the dagger). |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
Edited by - Tanthalas on 17 Jul 2015 01:57:33 |
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sno4wy
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2015 : 03:07:20
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| I don't believe that it's specifically covered what happened to the dagger that caused its separation from Entreri, but you do find out more about it later. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2015 : 03:31:10
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| Thanks everyone! |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2015 : 18:37:34
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As was said, yes, it is finally revealed in a later book how Barrabus (Entreri) became a slave to Alegni and lost the sword Charon's Claw.
But it is not explained how he lost his vampiric dagger as well. It is only shown whom it ended up with, and it wasn't Alegni. It was another character that we've read about in another recent Drizzt book.
It's really odd to me that Alegni would not have retained the dagger, because I believe that A Reader's Guide to RAS's The Legend of Drizzt says that the dagger was Netherese in origin as well, just like the sword. Alegni should've held onto both of them.
Minor spoiler:
That is, unless he never knew about/never received the dagger when Entreri became enslaved. Perhaps that conveniently wasn't part of the deal. Perhaps the party inadvertently responsible for Entreri's plight made sure to stash the dagger away with someone else--in the hopes that Entreri may once again regain his freedom. Once you learn who that someone else really is, this conjecture might begin to make more sense to you.
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"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
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sno4wy
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2015 : 18:46:32
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| I remember reading somewhere that the dagger is Thayan in origin, which would make it despicable to the Netherese, no? |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2015 : 02:47:20
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Originally posted by sno4wy
I remember reading somewhere that the dagger is Thayan in origin, which would make it despicable to the Netherese, no?
Aha, yes, that was it! I didn't have my notes with me at work, and I forgot the exact nature of his other blade.
It would seem that his two blades, the highly sentient sword and the semi-sentient dagger, should have been at odds with each other. Entreri should've struggled to wield the two weapons. But he never seems to have done so, in the stories.
That would go to explain why Alegni would not have wanted anything to do with the dagger.
However, if he had ever had the chance, he probably would've melted the thing down to destroy it, rather than simply discard it.
Methinks still that Alegni was never afforded the chance to acquire the vampiric dagger. Somebody probably made sure of that by redirecting it into someone else's possession for the time being, while Entreri was on his...unfortunate sabbatical. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2015 : 14:38:07
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| I don't know the lore surrounding this so why do the Netherese find Thay despicable? You know, besides why most goodly people despise Thay. |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2015 : 15:06:42
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
I don't know the lore surrounding this so why do the Netherese find Thay despicable? You know, besides why most goodly people despise Thay.
I'd imagine the two hate each other for bragging rights over whose the better magical nation, if for nothing else. |
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Lilianviaten
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Posted - 18 Jul 2015 : 17:55:20
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I have to disagree. In my view, it wasn't ever really explained. Since you're on the Charon's Claw novel, you know that Alegni has a tuning fork capable of tormenting Entreri horribly. You also know that the sword can read Entreri's thoughts and predict if he's going to attack Alegni. It has even brought Entreri back to life on a few occasions when he died in service to the Netherese.
We're never told how any of this is possible. We're only given a vague memory (I won't say from which character) of what happened. Trust me, I'm not spoiling anything by telling you what little backstory we received. Here it is in a nutshell: The Netherese wanted the sword, and Entreri of course refused to give it to them, so they captured him along with it.
Knowing RAS, he kept it vague because he intends to return to it in the future. I would be very intrigued to know more about that, and the backstories of Ambergris and Athrogate. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2015 : 21:54:03
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
I have to disagree. In my view, it wasn't ever really explained.
For a while, I thought the whole situation might be explained away as just another misunderstanding by Entreri (unreliable narrator). But it was eventually explained, from a different character's POV, what and why it happened, and how it made this other person feel. It's told in flashback snippets, rather than in a real-time narrative, but it is told.
OP AE says he's only read up through Charon's Claw. From that perspective, the reveal is coming up in a future book.
How far have you read yet, Lv? |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2015 : 22:11:48
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
I have to disagree. In my view, it wasn't ever really explained.
OP AE says he's only read up through Charon's Claw. From that perspective, the reveal is coming up in a future book.
I'm about 200 pages into Charon's Claw. |
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sno4wy
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2015 : 22:17:16
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
I have to disagree. In my view, it wasn't ever really explained.
For a while, I thought the whole situation might be explained away as just another misunderstanding by Entreri (unreliable narrator). But it was eventually explained, from a different character's POV, what and why it happened, and how it made this other person feel. It's told in flashback snippets, rather than in a real-time narrative, but it is told.
OP AE says he's only read up through Charon's Claw. From that perspective, the reveal is coming up in a future book.
How far have you read yet, Lv?
I think Lv means that it's never explained what the dagger went through specifically, rather than that other thing you're referencing. I would agree that while that other thing is explained, the dagger's journey is not.
Edit: Oh boy, this is becoming delightfully confusing and vague. XD |
Edited by - sno4wy on 18 Jul 2015 22:17:43 |
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Lilianviaten
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Jul 2015 : 01:11:28
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
I have to disagree. In my view, it wasn't ever really explained.
For a while, I thought the whole situation might be explained away as just another misunderstanding by Entreri (unreliable narrator). But it was eventually explained, from a different character's POV, what and why it happened, and how it made this other person feel. It's told in flashback snippets, rather than in a real-time narrative, but it is told.
OP AE says he's only read up through Charon's Claw. From that perspective, the reveal is coming up in a future book.
How far have you read yet, Lv?
I'm current on the series, BEAST. I get what you're saying, because it was explained. But we're missing a lot of details. For instance, how did the Netherese make the sword itself to dominate Entreri? The sword definitely has powers that were never revealed in earlier books, but we didn't get much perspective on that. Nor did we learn how Entreri came to serve Herzgo Alegni specifically. |
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