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Hawkins
Great Reader
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 16:14:06
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| Finished Elminster in Myth Drannor in my Annotated Elminster and taking a break to read the newest Harry Dresden novel (it is on loan). Then I will start the Temptation of Elminster, the one book in the El series that I never actually read. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1732 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 17:13:24
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Originally posted by The Sage
I've put aside some of the other more recent FR releases for the time being. At the moment, I'm currently re-reading Blackstaff again. I'm actually making notes on the various books and tomes Steven referenced in the novel, and that haven't been mentioned in previous sources. Once that's done, I'll be adding them to the "Books and Tomes" listing here at Candlekeep.
Nifty; can you send me a copy of that when you're done, please? Danke.
Now I think I'll try and find some time soon to preemptively do that for BLACKSTAFF TOWER and send the titles and such to you when I'm cleared to reveal info.... 
Steven
who highly recommends that folks reread BLACKSTAFF before they dive into BLACKSTAFF TOWER--it'll cut down on some confusions and also enhance the "catching the asides for Realmslore afficianadoes" experience of reading the new book |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 17:20:23
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Nifty; can you send me a copy of that when you're done, please? Danke.
Consider it done. In fact, I had considered emailing you and asking whether you would like the updated version.
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Now I think I'll try and find some time soon to preemptively do that for BLACKSTAFF TOWER and send the titles and such to you when I'm cleared to reveal info....
Neato! In the meantime, I'll finish compiling the entries from Blackstaff.
Just let me know when you're ready to send the info.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 18:07:06
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A nice idea.
Aye. I've been meaning to do this for some time now:- updating the Candlekeep listing with all the books and tomes referenced in various sources since the original listing was written. But, as you no doubt already know, it didn't really occupy a high enough place of priority on my now infamous "To-Do List" -- until now, that is. 
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
253 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 20:08:09
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| Just (finally, being a paperback freak and all that) finished "Swords of Dragonfire", which I really liked. The, last night, tore through the "Obsidian Ridge" in a single multi-hour session, sustaining my body with nicotine and caffeine...as in I completely forgot to eat. But that was a really fine romp of a novel. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2008 : 08:40:30
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Finished Elaine Cunnighams trilogy Couselors & Kings. Enjoyed it truely! So much Halruaan lore now down the drain for 4th Ed. unfortunatelly. After reading the novels I have to say I am again saddened a little more about those changes. than again, my realms wll keep Halruaa around! Huzzay!
Huzzay also to Elaine for a magnificent work, IMO! Thank you so much, Elaine.
Ergdusch
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demonsbane
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 05:35:14
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I'm so out of date, which is one of the reasons I registered here. I read many books from the late 80's and early 90's, after which I couldn't find anymore in Malaysia for some years. Now, it seems they are back with a vengeance but I'm so out of date I'm lost.
I remember from the early books that Elminster was 500 winters old and was the most powerful arch mage in Faerun and it seemed that Khelben was his disciple (in the Avatar Trilogies?) but things seem to be much different now. There's Halaster, Larloch, etc. Dove was supposed to be a young ranger hunting Drizzt in one of the books but it seems her sisters are all 100s of years old now & therefore, so must she? The things I remember seem to be inconsistent with current FR lore.
So, not sure if this is the right thread to post this but, can anyone recommend a comprehensive & quick read to get myself updated on the latest stuff?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 14:51:43
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Originally posted by demonsbane
So, not sure if this is the right thread to post this but, can anyone recommend a comprehensive & quick read to get myself updated on the latest stuff?
The Grand History of the Realms book would be great for a quick update. However, the examples you mention have been "old news" for a long time--these are not recent retcons or anything.
Elminster is almost 1200 years old. The Seven Sisters are over 600 years old, and while I don't think the Dark Elf trilogy contradicts that, it was written before there was detailed information about the sisters (or so I've heard) and it is a bit off: for example, Dove has brown hair and Alustriel says she is "many years younger than I am", which isn't the case.
Halaster and Larloch are not recent creations, either--is it possible you just didn't learn that much about them before? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 15:15:14
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| In some of the early stuff, Elminster was described as being over 500 years old. And 1200 is over 500... TSR may have not wanted him to be that old, originally, or it may be something along the lines of the public knowledge is 500+ years, while the actual number is far less widely known. |
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demonsbane
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 May 2008 : 03:29:52
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Halaster and Larloch are not recent creations, either--is it possible you just didn't learn that much about them before?
That could be so. Most of my reading were from the novels, not from the modules. I don't seem to recall Halaster and Larloch being mentioned in the early novels before.
I need a bard to tell me the tales. Is Nameless still around or did something happen to him in the time my FR knowledge has been in stasis? I think I know what it feels like to be one of those guys who have been caught in a time warp. |
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Lewton
Acolyte
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2008 : 01:49:11
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| Just finished Obsidian Ridge, thought it was a great book, really enjoyed it. Need to get back and read some of the early ones, but just haven't done it. Looking to read Swordmage next, well after a quick stop off with some Eddings first, then back to the Realms. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2008 : 01:57:18
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Originally posted by demonsbane
I need a bard to tell me the tales. Is Nameless still around or did something happen to him in the time my FR knowledge has been in stasis? I think I know what it feels like to be one of those guys who have been caught in a time warp.
The Nameless Bard? Have you not read all of the Finder's Stone trilogy? |
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Theophilus
Learned Scribe
Australia
143 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2008 : 05:53:53
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[SPOILER ALERT]
Finished "The Titan of Twilight" and "War in Tethyr". Am now onto "All Shadows Fled".
"Titan" was an ok conclusion to the (generally decent) trilogy however it sort of fell apart at the end - you know the story is getting desperate when you start pulling out artifacts to save the day. Also, there was an unnecessary combat scene with the undead giants. The trilogy is worth reading if you want to read everything FR, but I wouldn't regard it as vital to your FR collection.
"War" was quite a good story until the last 10% of so of the story. It appears to me that the author decided to squish in everything they could to give the story a "big-bang" ending - a deepspawn, an evil fiend, Zhentarim, gem dragons and a resurrection event with a divine appearance by Torm are just a taste of what you find in the last 30-odd pages of this story! It would have been better to have either extended the story to round it out more completely, or perhaps take a bit away to make it less OTT. I still recommend the story to FR fans, but its not the best by a long way.
"All Shadows Fled" - I am finding this story difficult to finish. I have my usual gripes - too much combat, too much OTT power on the part of the heroes, but I do love the Malaugrym so I'm sticking with it!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2008 : 14:42:12
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Originally posted by Theophilus
["War" was quite a good story until the last 10% of so of the story. It appears to me that the author decided to squish in everything they could to give the story a "big-bang" ending - a deepspawn, an evil fiend, Zhentarim, gem dragons and a resurrection event with a divine appearance by Torm are just a taste of what you find in the last 30-odd pages of this story!
Geez, that's pretty crazy. Although, I've been wary of that novel ever since I heard Zaranda has a talking horse named "Goldie". |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2008 : 15:22:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Theophilus
["War" was quite a good story until the last 10% of so of the story. It appears to me that the author decided to squish in everything they could to give the story a "big-bang" ending - a deepspawn, an evil fiend, Zhentarim, gem dragons and a resurrection event with a divine appearance by Torm are just a taste of what you find in the last 30-odd pages of this story!
Geez, that's pretty crazy. Although, I've been wary of that novel ever since I heard Zaranda has a talking horse named "Goldie".
That was one of the things that bugged me about the novel. I never finished it. I got to page 100, put the book down in favor of something else, and never got back to it. |
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Theophilus
Learned Scribe
Australia
143 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2008 : 23:47:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Theophilus
["War" was quite a good story until the last 10% of so of the story. It appears to me that the author decided to squish in everything they could to give the story a "big-bang" ending - a deepspawn, an evil fiend, Zhentarim, gem dragons and a resurrection event with a divine appearance by Torm are just a taste of what you find in the last 30-odd pages of this story!
Geez, that's pretty crazy. Although, I've been wary of that novel ever since I heard Zaranda has a talking horse named "Goldie".
That was one of the things that bugged me about the novel. I never finished it. I got to page 100, put the book down in favor of something else, and never got back to it.
The talking horse wasn't that big an issue for me - the OTT conclusion was the bit that I didn't personally enjoy too much.
In saying that, I've been reading the FR novels chronologically since "Darkwalker" so I'm working my way through all these more obscure titles and so I've got to expect anything I guess!
Finished "All Shadows Fled" - was dissapointed by the ending - it seemed abrupt and relatively incoherent and, as per usual, the various Chosen et al were far too overpowered for my liking. The Malaugrym are entertaining as usual - "tragic-comic villains" would be the best way to describe them - they simply can't get anything right despite their advantages.
I wouldn't have minded if they followed through with the conclusion i.e. Elminster can't stick around for ever, but obviously he became a major "product" for the setting (hence 4 more dedicated novels after this). If the Chosen etc bug you its probably best to avoid this particular novel - though the series is overall quite good.
Next on the pile is "Curse of the Shadowmage" - I'm looking forward to this one.
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J D Dunsany
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2008 : 00:46:30
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Wow! Three-quarters of the way through 'Dissolution' and I'm loving it. Give RLB a prize or something, because, on the whole, drow leave me rather cold. This works really well, though. Part of that is because the author takes the time to explore a variety of settings within the city and, in doing so, fleshes out the cruelties of the harsh class system very well. The other part, though, is the characterisation - utterly brilliant and totally involving. Pharaun and Ryld are a wonderful double act. The one verbose and flippant; the other serious and taciturn. And Quenthel is a frighteningly good creation too.
Please tell me that the rest of 'WoTSQ' is this good!
Best!
JDD |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2008 : 04:26:53
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
Please tell me that the rest of 'WoTSQ' is this good!
The series has gotten rave reviews. I only know of one person who didn't care for them, and that's myself.
I don't know what it is, but most of the series that have recently really excited others just didn't grab me. The War of the Spider Queen, the Sembia Books, the Erevis Cale trilogy... All of them are pretty well-liked by just about everyone here, but none of them really did anything for me. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2008 : 04:29:34
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| I'm currently reading the Scions of Arrabar trilogy for the first time. So far, I'm enjoying the first book. |
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J D Dunsany
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2008 : 09:37:33
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm currently reading the Scions of Arrabar trilogy for the first time. So far, I'm enjoying the first book.
I'll be interested in reading your thoughts on this trilogy. I really liked it for a variety of reasons, but there is one moment in the final novel that I found particularly disturbing. I suspect you'll know it when you come across it.
Thanks for your comments on 'WoTSQ', btw. Much appreciated.
All the best!
JDD |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 15 May 2008 : 12:04:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
Please tell me that the rest of 'WoTSQ' is this good!
The series has gotten rave reviews. I only know of one person who didn't care for them, and that's myself.
Well, I only read about thirty pages of the first one before putting it down, so that might be to little to make an opinion on hte whole series. Guess it was just to much Drows for me. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2008 : 14:28:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The series has gotten rave reviews. I only know of one person who didn't care for them, and that's myself.
I've only read the first two books so far, but the series doesn't really excite me, either. I thought the books I read were well-written, but they just aren't my cup of tea, perhaps because there simply isn't anyone in the story I would love to root for. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2008 : 14:32:11
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I'm currently reading the Scions of Arrabar trilogy for the first time. So far, I'm enjoying the first book.
I enjoyed this series, and appreciated how the focus was on characters more than combat scenes. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Pasta Fzoul
Seeker
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 04:31:13
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
Please tell me that the rest of 'WoTSQ' is this good!
Personally, I enjoyed the series. Yes, the characters are essentially evil, or at least amoral, but they all have believable motivations for their behavior, given their cultural context. It's an interesting look inside Drow society, I think. |
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J D Dunsany
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 11:22:22
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The series has gotten rave reviews. I only know of one person who didn't care for them, and that's myself.
I've only read the first two books so far, but the series doesn't really excite me, either. I thought the books I read were well-written, but they just aren't my cup of tea, perhaps because there simply isn't anyone in the story I would love to root for.
Hmmm. I do know what you mean. You want to root for Pharaun but after page 305 that becomes much more difficult. Nevertheless, there is a mystery here (Lolth's silence) and, for me at least, the interest lies in how that affects the various factions and social groupings of drow society. The issue of reader sympathy is an important one (and, indeed, the main reason I've not approached the series up till now), but not one that's affecting me too much at the moment.
Thanks for your thoughts, people. Very stimulating they are, too!
All the best!
JDD |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 16:13:50
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| Just finished my Annotated Elminster yesterday. Taking a break from the Realms for a bit to read some Fantasy written in Feudal Japan. Don't know when I will be back, probably when I buy a new Realms novel(s) (most likely Blackstaff Tower and/or Pirate King), though I might go back and read some already in my library. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 16:17:48
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
Hmmm. I do know what you mean. You want to root for Pharaun but after page 305 that becomes much more difficult. Nevertheless, there is a mystery here (Lolth's silence) and, for me at least, the interest lies in how that affects the various factions and social groupings of drow society. The issue of reader sympathy is an important one (and, indeed, the main reason I've not approached the series up till now), but not one that's affecting me too much at the moment.
Thanks for your thoughts, people. Very stimulating they are, too!
All the best!
JDD
You're welcome. Regarding reader sympathy, everyone is different. Some people love reading about evil protagonists, I'm just not one of them. And by the way, I can't say I ever thought Pharaun was especially sympathetic. It was the type of book that didn't move me to care about any of the characters. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 16:38:19
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I liked Pharaun because even though he was a bad guy, he was a bad guy with style. Something like that makes a character much more likable for me.
But the other characters I either didn't care about, or really disliked. And the portrayal of at least one character shifts dramatically from one book to another, which really bugged me, too.
What really killed the stories for me, though, was that when I finally got done with the series (which for me, didn't start to get interesting until the fourth book, and very quickly faded from there), I was left wondering what the point was. Ending a story with the feeling that it was pointless is something that kills it for me. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 May 2008 : 16:47:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But the other characters I either didn't care about, or really disliked. And the portrayal of at least one character shifts dramatically from one book to another, which really bugged me, too.
Do tell us which character that was. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 18:30:23
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But the other characters I either didn't care about, or really disliked. And the portrayal of at least one character shifts dramatically from one book to another, which really bugged me, too.
Do tell us which character that was.
The draegoth was very servile and subservient to his aunt in one book, and then in the next book, he's basically telling her where to stick it. That was way too abrupt a shift for me.
Halisstra changed somewhat, too, from book to book. I really didn't like the major changes with her towards the end. |
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